I like you because we argue.
Well how about that, a sprinkle of dyed in the wool marketing mixed into an otherwise mundane sts thread :uhoh2:
jk bro yeah let's do it sometime.
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I like you because we argue.
jk bro yeah let's do it sometime.
Hypocrite would imply that I'm Christian... I'm honestly indifferent to religion and atheism in general...
Just saying, you're either deliberately a terrible follower of the 10 commandments or you don't really believe (and it may just be convenient to say you believe).
Don't be mad bro, just go to confessional and do your penance or something.
OK, so I am reading RP's website and he is saying the same stuff I have said on this forum with regard to energy and yet I was attacked by the same people that support RP.
Do you supporters know RP's positions?
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/energy/
What about his plan to immed take possible actions against Roe?
What about the following:
“I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”
-Ron Paul"
The WF crowd calls me an idiot, stupid, whatever for my beliefs, and yet their hero believes the same. He also believes in a Creator.
How do all of you think a person is dishonest intellectually to be a Christian and then accept it in Paul? Crazy place WF is.
one last thing at LukeP - RP is not a prophet. nothing he said could not have been said by another especially with him eliminating a timeline. He did mention out of control interest rates and even though I believe they could be on the horizon, as of yet they are not. He mentions income disparity yet everyone glosses over the greatest opportunity for regular everyday people to have accumulated wealth in decades if not centuries - the housing boom. The fact people did not make the right decisions.... well who's fault is that?
Do you supporters know RP's positions?
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/energy/
What about his plan to immed take possible actions against Roe?
What about the following:
“I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”
-Ron Paul"
The WF crowd calls me an idiot, stupid, whatever for my beliefs, and yet their hero believes the same. He also believes in a Creator.
How do all of you think a person is dishonest intellectually to be a Christian and then accept it in Paul? Crazy place WF is.
one last thing at LukeP - RP is not a prophet. nothing he said could not have been said by another especially with him eliminating a timeline. He did mention out of control interest rates and even though I believe they could be on the horizon, as of yet they are not. He mentions income disparity yet everyone glosses over the greatest opportunity for regular everyday people to have accumulated wealth in decades if not centuries - the housing boom. The fact people did not make the right decisions.... well who's fault is that?
Maybe they just like attacking you.
You mean, enforce the 10th Amendment?
Paul's Christian beliefs are just as irrelevant as your Objectivist beliefs. He's not running to create a theocracy, he is running to enforce the Constitution.
It is hilarious btw that you just discovered Ron Paul's positions. Welcome to 2007.
Economics fail bro. The housing boom was driven by speculation, not capital accumulation. If you don't understand that, I have a hard time believing that you understand free market economics except as sloganeering.
I agree, Paul is not a prophet. He subscribes to a superior form of economic analysis that enables him to make predictions about inevitable outcomes of particular policy actions. His hero Mises predicted the end of the Soviet Union, decades before it happened, when nearly every mainstream economist expected Communism to overtake the West economically.
Mises wrote SOCIALISM which is the definitive refutation of socialist economics. Have you read it?
He doesn't let his religious beliefs determine his decisions and opinions politically such as someone like Santorum.
lol... You seriously didn't know Ron Paul was a hardcore Christian? Go look up his opinions on abortion and evolution.
People really do have to stop drinking their own kool-aid. Everyone thinks that THEIR views are the best and right way, that's why...they believe in their views. Problem is when people like Hellblazer think everyone else is WRONG, that's when you get little progress and a lot of pointless bickering rather than good discussion. I think I'm right (like everyone else thinks they are), but I'm open to new ideas and understanding of other people's views if they're based on factual information - of course if you base your decision off what Rosie O'donnell and others think then you're excluded and your opinion is indeed shitty and not deserving of consideration.
I don't agree with all of Ron Paul's policies, but to me he seems like a genuine man with realistic promises who isn't afraid to tell people how it is, which is far better than someone who tells the public what they want to hear just to be elected.
tl;dr - Stop thinking you're 100% right, you're not and Ron Paul is a genuine guy.
You missed my point. If handled correctly the boom was a gift to anyone paying attention. Had more people done either of the following:
- Cashed out on their homes and not spent the windfall. I know people that did this, they sold at peak prices, rented, and are now flush with cash.
- Kept the amazing amounts of money they were making during the boom. My illegal alien backhoe operator was bringing in $300K+/yr.
- Participated in the speculation understanding what it was, a bubble, just like Gold is today, and sold - not bought into the misdirected Buy & Hold mentality.
I am not so certain - the following is from Paul's "Statement of Faith"
Statement of FaithRon Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee
Guerilla - you are right, I have never paid attention to RP. I do not believe in the Gold Standard - with it we would all be universally poorer and I do not blame America for the world's ills - RP does not like the US much. The constitution yes, but not much else.
There is a difference between Bud and Bud Light, but to say they are polar opposites is INSANE. It does not make sense to think that Al Gore is part of an evil group hellbent on destroying the world, but then at the same time to praise Rick Perry (who campaigned for Gore) just because he now has an "R" after his name and likes to praise Jesus.
The party line positions often change depending on who is in power. Meanwhile, people like Ron and Rand Paul, admitted socialist Bernie Sanders, and democrat Dennis Kucinich usually have consistent views and vote that way which exposes the left/right farce for what it is.
Justin Amash appears to be the same way. He's a Palestinian American congressman who was endorsed by Ron "racist" Paul.
Yes, Nancy Pelosi is "different" than Rand Paul. He is also different than Bill Clinton, yet Paul says Clinton was preferable to Bush. Why is that?
ITT: lulz
1. Guerilla and lukep are correct.
2. The Left vs Right GOP vs Dem is complete b.s.
- It is indeed "bread and circuses".
- The Left and Right dogmas are completely arbitrary and inconsistent, there is no principled source of either political agenda.
3. Paul's Christianity is irrelevant, because he doesn't care that I'm an atheist or whatever, his position is to protect personal liberty, not to push Christianity. Republican's are against abortion and birth control? How the fuck is that consistent with protecting liberty?
4. Most likely Obama will win and continue to rape us, so I'm just gonna focus on making cash and trying to protect my asshole.
5. Government is organized crime, the U.S. political system is purely theater.
6. Democracy is immoral.
- Government exists because the governed live in irrational fear due to their ignorance and lack of principle.
- There would be far less violence in the world and far more prosperity in the hypothetical situation of government being dissolved immediately.
I have never voted and don't intend on ever voting, but if it looks like RP might win PA, I will consider going against my principles and voting for him, because I fucking hate taxes — taxation is the worst thing ever, especially when I am paying criminals who want to turn the U.S. military against U.S. citizens.
REIMktg - I think we'd have a more prosperous economy and a freer society if currency is tied to a commodity.
1. Guerilla and lukep are correct.
2. The Left vs Right GOP vs Dem is complete b.s.
- It is indeed "bread and circuses".
- The Left and Right dogmas are completely arbitrary and inconsistent, there is no principled source of either political agenda.
3. Paul's Christianity is irrelevant, because he doesn't care that I'm an atheist or whatever, his position is to protect personal liberty, not to push Christianity. Republican's are against abortion and birth control? How the fuck is that consistent with protecting liberty?
4. Most likely Obama will win and continue to rape us, so I'm just gonna focus on making cash and trying to protect my asshole.
5. Government is organized crime, the U.S. political system is purely theater.
6. Democracy is immoral.
- Government exists because the governed live in irrational fear due to their ignorance and lack of principle.
- There would be far less violence in the world and far more prosperity in the hypothetical situation of government being dissolved immediately.
I have never voted and don't intend on ever voting, but if it looks like RP might win PA, I will consider going against my principles and voting for him, because I fucking hate taxes — taxation is the worst thing ever, especially when I am paying criminals who want to turn the U.S. military against U.S. citizens.
REIMktg - I think we'd have a more prosperous economy and a freer society if currency is tied to a commodity.
It was speculation, not wealth generation. Again, please learn economics. Assets booms created by excessive credit injection leads to malinvestment, which in the long run, makes everyone poorer because capital is destroyed.
And how is that incompatible with the Constitution?
It was obvious.
Can you explain how?
Neither does Ron Paul. He blames bad ideas and bad policy. "America" as people like to use it as a universal representing, people culture history, language, economy, aesthetics, politics and policy is an abstraction. It's like saying I hate blacks because I don't like the Chicago Bulls and most of their players are black.
It's dishonest argument. It's also usually the coward who wraps himself in the flag when making that argument.
Substantiate this.
Who cares if he is a christian. It is not like he is going to start the Salem witch trials or anything again. He is not the perfect candidate but he has policy I can agree with. He is not a complete corporate puppet and most importantly he wants the fed gone.
Yeah more than likely someone else if not Obama again will win and WW3 will happen as planned.
But it is a nice thought to root for a decent guy.
Ron Paul is 1,000,000 times less annoying about his Christian beliefs than the most non-annoying atheist I have ever met.
Somehow I don't think subfaggot would have an issue if RP was a muslim. But a white, hetero christian male? Shit makes his blood itch.
You are saying this in reference to my saying that "...the greatest opportunity for regular everyday people to have accumulated wealth in decades"
My point stands - I did not say anything about the impact on capital nor did I mention wealth. RP was taking about income - millions of people found their homes worth hundreds of thousands more than they should have been, had they cashed out, they would have more money, period.
Now, with that said. It is interesting to consider credit, the credit bubble, and the destruction of capital. Does it indeed make eveyrone poorer? Is that in an "economic sense" or in their standard of living? I would argue that there are tens of thousands of homes that are modern and built very well, energy efficient, no lead paint, central heat and air, etc, all available now to minimum wage earners for purchase and ownership at costs below what it took to build those homes. Are they poorer from this?
This was with regard to the Gold standard. The Gold standard keeps us from expansion, it ties down growth, it makes massive investment a considered rarity instead of a speculaitve possibility. Without it would we have infrastructure to rural communities? Would the poor have nice housing? Would we ever take risk? Boom/bust helps us build where we would not otherwise build. It raises the standard of living, albiet on credit and specualtion, but then the system bankrupts and starts again - all the while the infrastructure and assets that were built remain.
The Gran Waliea hotel cost a billion to build, which was not a sound investment. After multiple bankruptcies etc - it is was sold for 1/10th to investors. All is good, and now we have a beautiful hotel that otherwise would not have been built. Same for rural areas with housing tracts that were built for $100/sqft and now sold for $30sqft - who benfits? The poor. Without the credit speculation/expansion available to us much of this would never occur.
The Gold standard may be sound in some ways, but with a society that rewards risk and even has a system to deal with failed speculation - the nation is better off.
Really, a coward? Interesting word. We can spin in circles forever on if RP likes the US, I suppose he does, its just that he does not like much the US has done. Fair enough. But why that makes a coward of anyone is beyond me.