I love living in a 3rd world shithole.

The truth is, if you guys just made more money than all of a sudden all the "problems" in the US pretty much disappear. I live in San Diego, I have guns, I have everything I want, the government doesn't fuck with me, and I have all the freedom I need. I couldn't be happier. The shitty government we have doesn't really affect me or bother me one bit.

I seriously challenge you to name ONE WAY I would benefit from moving away from the paradise I live in now. C'mon you guys, this is silly - just admit that you can't afford to live the way you want here in the US, and that's why you want to move to some other country that's cheaper.

I could afford to live anywhere in the world, in central locations, in nice apartments and I wouldn't notice the money gone.. I don't "want to live in 3rd world countries or in shit holes for cheap".... I just want to live in lots of different places - saving $20,000 a year in rent is just one small advantage for me... but I won't stay here forever (living on the beach in Indonesia) ... I want to do California too, I want to live central Tokyo, I want to do South America... I want to see the world... and my reasons might not be benefits for YOU.. but for me I want to see the world, different landscapes, do different activities, eat different food, meet different people, learn new languages, see and experience different cultures..

I don't see whats so bad about that, and for ME, the life I live here, meeting people from all over the world, passing through, or those starting up businesses or just living very unique lifestlyes, I love it, and it's a lot more interesting than my last year when I was in my central London flat for $25k a year.. living the same day in and out (although I enjoyed it at the time, for ME, it just doesn't compare to a travel lifestyle I currently live).

.. Each to their own... spend your money, live nice, live how you want.

Most of us get into this for money, or are highly driven by it.. so whats the big deal with getting to the point of earning £30k in the UK, but hten going abroad where your money is worth £200k..
 


That's fine bro, but that's not what lukep and his gang are all about. They are all moving to Thailand because they claim the US government is taking away all their freedoms and too much of their money.
 
Huge parts of America are piss poor, violent shitholes with murder rates to match Haiti. Large parts of Europe have turned into Sharia zones. The difference is that the 'shithole' countries are upfront about it and don't try to tax you 2/3 of your income. If you want to live in a 'first world' country, Japan is a much nicer country or Switzerland.

I don't think anyone ever doubted that the US is nice if you're very rich. So are many European countries if you can jet between London and the French Riviera, but for most regular people life consists of paying half in taxes to lazy bums then spending the rest on a overprized old apartment and maybe a car.

If you're geographically independent it seems to be a smart move to me, to move to a cheaper country while you're young where your money won't be wasted on ridicously overpriced real estate and debt-ridden bloat states.

In the next 10-20 years, average real income is going to plummet in southern europe and significantly decrease in northern europe to what it was before everyone thought you could borrow yourself rich. That is when living in Europe will become attractive again. As of right now, you still pay out the nose to fund a coaliton of the bueracratic class and the welfare receivers. Those people will have to look for real jobs soon which will make people with entreprenural income much more well off comparatively.

The fact is just that as a productive citizen right now in most western countries, you get screwed in so many ways.

not sure how that rebuts anything I said... You enjoy living in a "third world country" because you live like a king there...

to me its not a smart move b/c I enjoy NYC. I make enough to live here and enjoy all it has to offer. I am not hating on any of you... you all get so defensive. What im saying is you all love living in third world countries b/c you live like kings... if you lived like the "99%" in those countries... you would not love it... dont kid yourselves

edit: also im living in tallinn, estonia for the next month... its eastern europe, cheap, and not a third world. However, I'm in the city... other parts of estonia are rural... and i'd hate to be here if i wasn't living in one of the nicest condos available
 
Thailand in the top 10 and the U.S. 297th? Are you serious? lol
Standards, bro, standards. You ain't got 'em.

Yeah ok, Top 10 for expats coming in with their big USDs/EURs/CADs maybe, certainly not for Thai people.
You really have no clue at all. I don't know why I keep answering this thread... I bet you imagine that most thais live in thatched huts and save up all year for a nice steak meal that Americans wouldn't eat? LOLOLOL...

The city of Bangkok is far and away more sophisticated, advanced and awesome than any US city. The Malls there are ten times the size of our malls here, and I can buy hundreds of REALLY GREAT products there that I can't get here in the US at all. -Not even shipped in.

Worse, my diet here in the USA is killing me, because there are ZERO restaurants in my entire state that don't put huge amounts of Salt and Grease in their entire menus... Oddly the same foods can't even be found in places like Bangkok, and most of the world for that matter, I bet in Lebanon they have more healthy food than they do in the US, don't try and deny it.

Sure, there is a class of people that aren't getting every last opportunity there, but they don't call Thailand the Land of Smiles for nothing... Average Thais are genuinely happy there and for those that are born low but aspire for better things; the internet provides anyone there with money online just like it does here. They even have Thai Adsense!

Yes. Western Countries.
If you think so then you're obviously not turning on the news here. -Of course that can be a very good thing, too, since they mainly serve as a national indoctrination device for the government anyway. (Oh, maybe you are then. My bad.)


There are laws (although not always fair) that protect everyone. A police officer can't walk up to you and say: give me all your monies or I'll make your life a living hell. In 3rd world countries, that's what happens all the time. You never know what to expect, shit coming in from all corners.
I'm not a fan of those countries. I'm sure they exist but I'm sure if you're rich, those countries would be very nice to live in too.

Here at least you know what to expect: high taxes, lots of paperwork, internet laws, etc., but that's all workable. It doesn't stop you from running a successful biz and banking hard.
Neither would many better countries than the USA. Thaliand, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc... They are the very best business incubators. We haven't even been a good one for 20 years or so...


Then we can take our monies and fuck off to Thailand or Costa Rica and live the high life while the locals are eating dry white rice right? This is NOT possible (or very difficult to achieve) for someone born in a 3rd world country.
I'm not advocating every country out there... Mainly I'm just saying that the USA is rapidly losing it's first-world status... Ever since our GDP got smaller than the interest on our national debt investors have been pulling out of this country as if we got the smallpox... Now the BRICS are even making agreements to not trade in USD anymore, so we're sure to lose our coveted status of the world reserve currency soon, which means hyperinflation is nearly upon us... All of this while taxes rise and freedoms rapidly dwindle.

50 years ago I wouldn't have been so down on the USA at all. I could have taken pride in the space race thing or many of the great acheivements this shithole once produced... But those glory days are long, long gone.

You've arrived too late.

There are SO many successful immigrants in the U.S., that weren't able to do shit in their home countries even though they spent a larger portion of their lives there. How do you explain that?
I explain it by using a calendar. This isn't 1950 anymore.


The truth is, if you guys just made more money than all of a sudden all the "problems" in the US pretty much disappear. I live in San Diego, I have guns, I have everything I want, the government doesn't fuck with me, and I have all the freedom I need. I couldn't be happier. The shitty government we have doesn't really affect me or bother me one bit.
You have been isolated so far. SD is a really cushy part of this nation, I too see the appeal.

However I didn't enjoy my time there nor was I able to afford the high quality of life there that I achieved in Bangkok for far less...

Anyway, as previously stated, you're in for a shock when the cushiness of SD is worn away by hyperinflation and the growing police state. No mansion in this country can save you from what we're sure to see here in our lifetimes if Paul isn't elected POTUS.

I seriously challenge you to name ONE WAY I would benefit from moving away from the paradise I live in now.
Alrighty, here are three, off the top of my head:

1. Diet. The FDA guidelines here are not your friend. Even if you enjoy average salt and grease intakes that most countries would and have banned nationally, there are many things you HAVE TO eat here in the USA that are cancerous or hurt you in other ways. Viva la crony capitalism!

2. Product Availability. Every try to buy a REALLY good product of any kind? From healthcare products to skin creams to cars to suits to jewelry, etc... If you've traveled a lot, you'll learn that almost all REALLY good products aren't made here, and most of those aren't even SOLD here! We get the chinese leftover shit while people in Tokyo, Hong Kong or Bangkok get the stuff that we can only dream about, made in places like Switzerland, Germany or Paris. It's like freaking Cuba in here... Yet there is enough variety that you just don't know what you're missing if you haven't travelled and seen it first hand.

3. Freedom. We've been over this a lot, but in general the actual level freedom you experience in the USA is laughed at by most countries. Even peons in the Amazon can have far more freedom than you do here, and wouldn't trade lives with you in cushy San Diego for all the money in Brazil. Perhaps your cage is too gilded for you to see that. It'll be a sad day for you indeed to learn that the gilding is just gold plated.


C'mon you guys, this is silly - just admit that you can't afford to live the way you want here in the US, and that's why you want to move to some other country that's cheaper.
No, it's not POSSIBLE to live the way we want in the US. Travel Moar and see for yourself.


Lukep, for the 1000th time, YOUR big problem is that you think MFA farms are long-term solid businesses lol
I bet even you have figured out by now that I'm not exactly hurting for teh monies. Lol all you want at my content farms, the money just keeps rolling in, no matter which country I'm in, how long it's been since I've logged on, or even if it's a panda or a penguin in the news this week.


Lukep if you really believe that why don't you renounce your U.S. citizenship and get a Thai one?
God you sound stupid... When are you going to learn not to open your mouth??
1. The US doesn't even let you stop paying taxes for 10 years after you pay a big tax to renounce your US citizenship.
2. Thailand isn't taking new citizens. Not even if you marry in like I did.

These are both very common themes both online in the expat community and here in WF STS... Try lurking more before making such newbie mistakes.


Open a Thai bank account and bank in Baht while you're at it. See how that works out for ya.
Oh, I got one of those. So far, I'm up a few whole percent against the pathetic USD, thanks. :thumbsup:


Actually, the average American pays less than 25% in Federal taxes. 49% of Americans pay ZERO tax.
LOL; call them "federal taxes" all you want, but until you add the word "income" to that sentence, you are misleading yourself into thinking that we're not being taxed more than most nations on this planet once you include all of the other forms of taxes we pay.

Just dying around here will get you taxed so heavily that a lot of EU expats won't consider living here at all!

...And don't get me started on proof... Eduardo Saverin is a classic example of what is happening to this country because of our high tax rates and Buffet's big mouth. We tell all of our innovators and job makers to GTFO, leaving ppl like you stuck with the high taxes and high unemployment in your communities... And you still let socialists like Obomba get elected anyway!


That's fine bro, but that's not what lukep and his gang are all about. They are all moving to Thailand because they claim the US government is taking away all their freedoms and too much of their money.
Don't forget about the better quality of life elsewhere, too! That shit's pretty important.
 
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lukep, you're really bugging me. If you keep up with this then Thailand is going to be overrun with gay webmasters. Can you just let these fools keep their narrow little view of the world and stay where they are?
 
Congratulations, you've moved from the 296th shittiest country to the 284th.

Countries like Thailand however, are in the top 10, and should NOT be compared to shitty countries in the 2nd percentile, like this one.

mind telling which index are u referring to?
 
Whole thread, even the title 'shithole' isn't really what everybody is talking about here...

Guys living in the 'shithole' don't actually live in it. They live in the country with money. Even countries that are real shitholes like Somalia have people living like kings there and not even thinking about relocating.

Just think about the following facts:

1) Are you living with an average salary in the shithole of your choice ?
2) Do you take an active part in the shitholes citizen average life ? Do you face the same financial / social problems as the local shitholers do ?
3) For example Berlin has tons of shitholes too. On the other, there are places that can compete with virtually any 'non shithole' place in the world. Are you really aiming to settle down in the middle of the shithole ? I doubt.
4) Shitholes are defined by the average 'lifestyle' not the lifestyle the WF shithole lovers are living / enjoying. You can live like a king in Thailand for let's say 2k, in fact you will do. You will enjoy the shithole, but is it the 'real' shithole you're experiencing ?
5) Move to Bangkok into a nice shitty house located at some of the canel and tell me again that you're loving the shithole.
6) Freedom... Rights... all the same without your non shithole background in the shithole country ? I doubt...

Thread should be renamed 'how to gold the shithole' / 'how to isolate in a shithole country' and not 'I love living in a shithole'.
 
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Alrighty, here are three, off the top of my head:

1. Diet. The FDA guidelines here are not your friend. Even if you enjoy average salt and grease intakes that most countries would and have banned nationally, there are many things you HAVE TO eat here in the USA that are cancerous or hurt you in other ways. Viva la crony capitalism!

2. Product Availability. Every try to buy a REALLY good product of any kind? From healthcare products to skin creams to cars to suits to jewelry, etc... If you've traveled a lot, you'll learn that almost all REALLY good products aren't made here, and most of those aren't even SOLD here! We get the chinese leftover shit while people in Tokyo, Hong Kong or Bangkok get the stuff that we can only dream about, made in places like Switzerland, Germany or Paris. It's like freaking Cuba in here... Yet there is enough variety that you just don't know what you're missing if you haven't travelled and seen it first hand.

3. Freedom. We've been over this a lot, but in general the actual level freedom you experience in the USA is laughed at by most countries. Even peons in the Amazon can have far more freedom than you do here, and wouldn't trade lives with you in cushy San Diego for all the money in Brazil. Perhaps your cage is too gilded for you to see that. It'll be a sad day for you indeed to learn that the gilding is just gold plated.

Dude if this is the best you got that's beyond laughable.

Food? I couldn't really eat healthier if I wanted to. If you really think you have to move to Thailand to eat healthy you are, I'm sorry, a freaking idiot.

Product availability? LOL you are really reaching my friend. I have and continue to buy anything and everything I want, regardless of where it's made. If I want something that's not easily available here in the US, I freakin' order it or make other arrangements to have it delivered to me, or in rare occasions I travel and pick it up myself. Seriously? No one in their right mind is going to move to Thailand because of better "product availability". I'm literally LOL'ing right now.

Freedom? As I said, I have all the freedom I could ever want. You didn't give any specific example of a freedom I don't have, so not much to discuss.

Like I said, I CHALLENGE you to name one meaningful benefit I would gain by moving to Thailand. You can't do it. Period, and you know it.

I don't give a rats ass about inflation. There are a few very simple steps that people in our position can do to ride out inflation, and even profit from it. You don't fucking move to Thailand because of impending inflation, unless maybe you're a peasant and practically below the poverty level already.

You keep talking about losing your freedoms, but you never give any examples that make any sense. Tell me one meaningful freedom I have lost or will lose that I will actually give a fuck about or that will materially affect my wonderful life here in the shitty old USA?

Dude, just admit you want to move to Thailand so you can have a higher standard of living on less money than you can in the US and all this nonsense will end. There's no shame in it. If I only made a few hundred grand a year and knew that was probably as much as I would ever make, I might consider it myself.

And just out of curiosity, why do you assume you know anything about me? I've probably traveled the world twice as much as you have.
 
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Like I said, I CHALLENGE you to name one meaningful benefit I would gain by moving to Thailand. You can't do it. Period, and you know it.

You win, because I am pretty sure that YOU would not gain even one meaningful benefit by moving to Thailand.:banana_sml:
 
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That's fine bro, but that's not what lukep and his gang are all about. They are all moving to Thailand because they claim the US government is taking away all their freedoms and too much of their money.

I've visited Thailand, but I dont live there. Would I move there one day? Possibly. It's an amazing, beautiful country. Full of culture and tradition, great people, great food and some of the most beautiful scenery in the world. This sort of thing is important to me. If it's not important to you, this is probably why you just don't get it. I can understand why people would want to live there. It's not all about money.

I grew up outside of Canada (life story: I lived in Costa Rica from age 5 to 7, then 9-11, and then moved back again when I was 19 - 23, then Panama for a year, then back to Canada). My father is a Czech immigrant and my mom is Canadian. I've loved Costa Rica and the tropics since a pretty young age. I could speak fluent Spanish by the time I was 7 years old. I love it there. I love the people, the weather, the beaches, the cost of living, the activities, the food, everything.

Personally, I HATE Canadian weather, among some other things. I get depressed when its cold and raining 80% of the year. So at least down here, I'm always happy :) And its quite simple, if you don't like where you live, instead of bitching about how bad it is - MOVE. Which is what I did.

And you're high if you truly believe the US is still the "FREE" country it once was. I 100% agree that it USED to be but times have changed.

PS: It takes some balls to move half way across the globe, away from your family and friends and have your world flipped upside down from what you know. It's not for everyone, and not everyone can do it. But those who do, generally love it and would "never go back".
 
Lukep P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C...really. It's sad to see somebody so disconnected from reality. Really sad.

Better food in Thailand? We put too much salt here? Yes perhaps some restaurants do, but it's better than MSGs that pretty much every restaurant in Thailand uses. Google up Monosodium Glutamate and see how great that shit is for your body.

Better access to Products? We have access to virtually EVERY single product we want here (aside from some Health related stuff regulated by the FDA), it's called the Internet bro. Ever heard about it? While most online shops ship to the U.S., I bet you less than 25% of those ship to Thailand.

Better Freedom? Yes I give this one to you, but you're more free there cuz you're AMERICAN! How many times do I have to say this?

You're American living the Expat life in a shitty country. Sure life is great and Thailand is off the hook! But how the fuck do you not see that this is completely different from a local's perspective? How?

I've seen shitloads of guys like you when I was living in Lebanon. Go to Beirut and see for yourself. Amazing city to live in when you have money + blue eyes + western citizenship. The police can't bug you, the corruption can't hit you! You'll have access to the best bars and hottest chicks. Even an expat web developer (from the US, UK, Canada) earns TONS MORE than a local doctor, lawyer or business owner. They are all loving life there and many of them decided to stay there. The only locals that can afford the same lifestyle are those that are born in rich families, high ranked government officials and politicians.
 
Better Freedom? Yes I give this one to you, but you're more free there cuz you're AMERICAN! How many times do I have to say this?

You made a few valid points but this is not one of them. You are less free as an American in Thailand. As a non-Thai you are limited in many ways. I so wish I could get Thai citizenship (technical you can but in reality they almost never give it to foreigners) because a Thai citizen with money in Thailand, now that's freedom.

Still, even as a foreigner in Thailand with the associated limits...still a better love story than Twilight...oh wait, wrong meme.
 
I've visited Thailand, but I dont live there. Would I move there one day? Possibly. It's an amazing, beautiful country. Full of culture and tradition, great people, great food and some of the most beautiful scenery in the world. This sort of thing is important to me. If it's not important to you, this is probably why you just don't get it. I can understand why people would want to live there. It's not all about money.

That's all fine and dandy as I've said. This discussion is about people moving to Thailand because they are scared of the US government taking all their freedoms and all their money. Lukep and others have stated these are their primary reasons. Unlike others in this discussion I'm only responding to what they have said, I'm not making any misguided assumptions.

And you're high if you truly believe the US is still the "FREE" country it once was. I 100% agree that it USED to be but times have changed.

Yeah you guys keep saying that but so far no one has pointed out one single freedom I've lost or will lose that will materially affect my life or my happiness. Keep trying ...
 
You can live like a king in Thailand for let's say 2k, in fact you will do. '.

2K is far from living like a king in Bangkok, it's comfortable middle class for a foreigner but no more since you don't get local prices.

What you don't realize about the people living in Thailand is that the basic nessecities which we pay a lot for in the west are very cheap there. You can get a great warm meal for $1 in a restaurant. You can get a bottle of spirits for $3, an airconditioned apartment for $150/month. A night out in a nightclub with live music and table service for $40 (and it's usually split 3-5 people). You can ride an hour in a taxi for $5. You can fly to Phuket from Bangkok return for less than $100, book a basic hut on the beach for $5-$7. I think you have a misunderstanding about the living standards of most Thais. Because Thailand isn't taxed to death, the basic consumer goods are cheap and plentiful. Of course the average Thai can't splurge on expensive consumer goods, but their life isn't stressful at all since most of their needs are easily met. Then add all the non-material goods like their sociable and sensual culture and it quickly becomes a better deal than being a middle clase drone in the west.
 
Lukep P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C...really. It's sad to see somebody so disconnected from reality. Really sad.

Better food in Thailand? We put too much salt here? Yes perhaps some restaurants do, but it's better than MSGs that pretty much every restaurant in Thailand uses. Google up Monosodium Glutamate and see how great that shit is for your body.

Better access to Products? We have access to virtually EVERY single product we want here (aside from some Health related stuff regulated by the FDA), it's called the Internet bro. Ever heard about it? While most online shops ship to the U.S., I bet you less than 25% of those ship to Thailand.

Better Freedom? Yes I give this one to you, but you're more free there cuz you're AMERICAN! How many times do I have to say this?

You're American living the Expat life in a shitty country. Sure life is great and Thailand is off the hook! But how the fuck do you not see that this is completely different from a local's perspective? How?

I've seen shitloads of guys like you when I was living in Lebanon. Go to Beirut and see for yourself. Amazing city to live in when you have money + blue eyes + western citizenship. The police can't bug you, the corruption can't hit you! You'll have access to the best bars and hottest chicks. Even an expat web developer (from the US, UK, Canada) earns TONS MORE than a local doctor, lawyer or business owner. They are all loving life there and many of them decided to stay there. The only locals that can afford the same lifestyle are those that are born in rich families, high ranked government officials and politicians.

So.. you're mad that you have brown eyes, got ass fucked by a cop, denied by every girl you ever approached, and are broke?

No wonder you hated it.
 
That's all fine and dandy as I've said. This discussion is about people moving to Thailand because they are scared of the US government taking all their freedoms and all their money. Lukep and others have stated these are their primary reasons. Unlike others in this discussion I'm only responding to what they have said, I'm not making any misguided assumptions.



Yeah you guys keep saying that but so far no one has pointed out one single freedom I've lost or will lose that will materially affect my life or my happiness. Keep trying ...

You know what dude.. to each his own. If you're happy in the US, and you have a happy life who am I to question that? As long as you're happy, that's what matters.