Any of you tried a "light therapy" lamp?

If this box doesn't emit UV lights, then it won't stimulate production of vitamin D and is probably useless in treating depression, SAD or otherwise.

It's in the description that it doesn't emit UV, probably because that would give you skin cancer if you sat next to it all day.
 


I don't know about that lamp, but my father had a massive brain injury in 2006.

The last year we started him on daily LED light therapy (directly to his skull) and the results have been amazing wrt mood, happiness, balance, coordination, energy.

I don't know anything about the science, but there may be something to the idea of light therapy.
 
I have that exact lamp. Need to do it daily to see any benefit but they do help a bit. Also good for maintaining a proper circadian rhythm.

well, can't you just put it on your desk by your computer and turn it on while you work? Or do you have to look directly at it in order to get the full benefits?
 
well, can't you just put it on your desk by your computer and turn it on while you work? Or do you have to look directly at it in order to get the full benefits?

I was looking at these a month or so ago preparing for our cloudy and dark days in the northwest. From what I remember reading, direct exposure isn't necessary to see beneficial effects. So, you would still see a benefit from sitting it on your desk while working.
 
well, can't you just put it on your desk by your computer and turn it on while you work? Or do you have to look directly at it in order to get the full benefits?

it needs to hit you in the face, specifically in the eyes. I usually put it off to the side of my laptop at my desk and do some writing or reading for a half hour.


Something important regarding vitamin D deficiencies: Don't just start taking a supplement because you think you're low on Vitamin D, go get your blood drawn and find out how much you need to take. This goes for all deficiencies really.
 
I have a sad lamp - pulled it out a few weeks back. Will go back into storage mid march. I'd say yes it does work at enhancing your mood.

Can't say it helps health to much of a degree but that's maybe because I rely on single malt for mood enhancement also.
 
You are wrong. Sitting in front of a lamp blasting you with UV rays will fuck you up in all kinds of ways, these lamps are specifically designed to reproduce bright sunlight while filtering out any harmful UV rays.

These lamps work perfectly well and works by tricking your body to produce less melatonin and more seratonin so you feel better by hitting your retinas with bright, safe light. Melatonin is produced when your retinas are in the dark (hence why you get tired when you're in a dark room) and seratonin production is somewhat connected with being exposed to bright clean light.

You're correct, and while I was incorrect that filtered bright lights were useless, sitting in front of UV lights for a short duration won't fuck you up in all kinds of ways. UV light therapy does increase the risk of skin cancers and the like, but it's also used to treat certain skin disorders that require UV rays as well as depressive disorders and is typically only prescribed for short time frames (5-20 minutes a day).

When used in a clinical setting, the UV lights from unfiltered light boxes emit UV that replicates the UV radiation intensity of the sun. If you're using a commercial light box that doesn't filter UV, you should be buying one that does the same.

UV from the sun isn't bad, it's only bad in excess. Unfiltered UV (typically from the sun, but also from UV light boxes) is needed to produce many of the D Vitamins. Vitamin D deficiencies typically increase during the winter months when UV rays aren't available for as long as they are during the summer months and are typically available when most people are inside at work.

However, if a Vitamin D deficiency isn't present, many studies have shown that there is no significant difference in the results of UV filtered and UV allowed light therapy when treating SAD. Therefore, as you said, the less dangerous UV filtered light should be used.

Light therapy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Light boxes have nothing to do with Vitamin D production and are very much not pseudoscience, they're just a safe reproduction of sunlight for people who don't get enough time outside everyday.

You're right that this isn't pseudoscience, but you're wrong that light boxes have nothing to do with Vitamin D production. Light boxes that don't filter UV light are used in treating people that have difficulty absorbing vitamin D3 (specifically during the winter months). The UV lamps that create UV radiation similar to that of the sun allow production and absorption of vitamin D3, see here.

Additionally, low levels of vitamin D3 are thought to be a cause of Major Depressive Disorder along with other depressive disorders such as SAD. Study results are mixed. Here is one in support of increased vitamin D3 improving mood in those afflicted with SAD and other depressive disorders. You'll need a subscription to read the full study. And here is a good overview of the physiology and pharmacology behind D3 and depression. It has a good list of studies in the references section that support and do not support the D3-depression link.

As far as Vitamin D production goes, you only need 5-15 minutes in the sun each day to get required amount of D3, however, in the winter months people with absorption problems typically need a supplement or UV light therapy in order to absorb enough of the vitamin.

The melatonin / serotonin stuff is pretty much spot on. That being said, the increase of one and the decrease of the other may have nothing to do with an individual's light cycles. There are many reasons why too much melatonin and not enough serotonin during the day could be present. It could have to do with faulty receptors or production glands, increased stress, infection, injury or numerous other things. In other words, it's best to get an opinion from someone with medical training.

Something important regarding vitamin D deficiencies: Don't just start taking a supplement because you think you're low on Vitamin D, go get your blood drawn and find out how much you need to take. This goes for all deficiencies really.

This is sound advice for anything, and probably the most important takeaway from the entire thread.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be a dick, but Bio-Psych (which is what this boils down to) is what my formal education is based in and there's usually more going on biologically than just having having too much of one hormone and not enough of another.

And by the way dchuk - Did you get my fiction recommendations? Master and Margarita is the one I would suggest first.
 
God damn it.... to late to edit. Let me clarify something. When I'm talking about unfiltered UV light, I'm not talking about completely unfiltered blue UV light that you'd find in a laboratory setting, that shit is terrible for you (and I'm assuming that's the UV lights dchuck is talking about).

UV light boxes used in light therapy for Vitamin D deficiencies and the like do use UV bulbs, but don't filter out 100% of UV radiation. They mimic the UV that would be given off by the sun here on earth. I have no idea if the box in question filters 100% of UV or not.
 
Sounds like pseudoscience. What is proven is that a lack of Vitamin D will cause all the symptoms mentioned. That requires either taking supplements, or being exposed to UV light from the sun. This thing doesn't emit UV, so I'm not sure what it does besides power some fluorescent tubes of a blue colour.

Niels Ryberg Finsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

guy must be a hustler. Getting a nobel prize for psuedo-science seems quite the social engineering skills.
 
You're correct, and while I was incorrect that filtered bright lights were useless, sitting in front of UV lights for a short duration won't fuck you up in all kinds of ways. UV light therapy does increase the risk of skin cancers and the like, but it's also used to treat certain skin disorders that require UV rays as well as depressive disorders and is typically only prescribed for short time frames (5-20 minutes a day).

When used in a clinical setting, the UV lights from unfiltered light boxes emit UV that replicates the UV radiation intensity of the sun. If you're using a commercial light box that doesn't filter UV, you should be buying one that does the same.

UV from the sun isn't bad, it's only bad in excess. Unfiltered UV (typically from the sun, but also from UV light boxes) is needed to produce many of the D Vitamins. Vitamin D deficiencies typically increase during the winter months when UV rays aren't available for as long as they are during the summer months and are typically available when most people are inside at work.

However, if a Vitamin D deficiency isn't present, many studies have shown that there is no significant difference in the results of UV filtered and UV allowed light therapy when treating SAD. Therefore, as you said, the less dangerous UV filtered light should be used.



You're right that this isn't pseudoscience, but you're wrong that light boxes have nothing to do with Vitamin D production. Light boxes that don't filter UV light are used in treating people that have difficulty absorbing vitamin D3 (specifically during the winter months). The UV lamps that create UV radiation similar to that of the sun allow production and absorption of vitamin D3, see here.

Additionally, low levels of vitamin D3 are thought to be a cause of Major Depressive Disorder along with other depressive disorders such as SAD. Study results are mixed. Here is one in support of increased vitamin D3 improving mood in those afflicted with SAD and other depressive disorders. You'll need a subscription to read the full study. And here is a good overview of the physiology and pharmacology behind D3 and depression. It has a good list of studies in the references section that support and do not support the D3-depression link.

As far as Vitamin D production goes, you only need 5-15 minutes in the sun each day to get required amount of D3, however, in the winter months people with absorption problems typically need a supplement or UV light therapy in order to absorb enough of the vitamin.

The melatonin / serotonin stuff is pretty much spot on. That being said, the increase of one and the decrease of the other may have nothing to do with an individual's light cycles. There are many reasons why too much melatonin and not enough serotonin during the day could be present. It could have to do with faulty receptors or production glands, increased stress, infection, injury or numerous other things. In other words, it's best to get an opinion from someone with medical training.



This is sound advice for anything, and probably the most important takeaway from the entire thread.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be a dick, but Bio-Psych (which is what this boils down to) is what my formal education is based in and there's usually more going on biologically than just having having too much of one hormone and not enough of another.

And by the way dchuk - Did you get my fiction recommendations? Master and Margarita is the one I would suggest first.

Good post dude! and yeah, got those recommendations (I favorited the tweet and must have forgotten to reply as well, sorry) and am going to snag master and margarita later today!
 
Based on the reviews over at Amazon I would like to take a guess that it does work. Seems pretty solid.