So by that example, the US should have sunk a few Japanese ships and been done with it after Pearl harbor?
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So by that example, the US should have sunk a few Japanese ships and been done with it after Pearl harbor?
But it's ok for Israel to occupy Gaza, to take Palestinian land, and to commit human rights abuses against Palestinians?
Radical Zionism is no better than radical Islam.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Q&A: Gaza conflict
If I had to choose between my house being demolished and missiles being fired at me, I'd go look for a new house.
Great since the ceasefire in that the conditions to lifting the blockade is pretty damn easy.
What's stopping Hamas from ending hostilities and focusing all their money and manpower on improving the lives of their citizens? What's stopping them from misusing all their funding?
They even staged a military coup against the opposing political party.
also this!
look, all the dead Syrians moved to Gaza somehow, to be killed again
How much you wanna bet none of the anti-Israel folks here are going to condemn this fraud.
What a question? OF COURSE!
Why, did you think I would get a chuckle over people loosing life??
Maybe kinda like this?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOZvbYJMvU]Palestinians Celebrating 9/11 Attack - YouTube[/ame]
Wrong is wrong man, no matter from which angle you look at it.
Then why do you persistently highlight the violence of the Palestinians, but never the Israelis?
Why are you obsessed with bad reporting on the Palestinian side, but do not discuss Israeli media at all?
It's hard to make the case you oppose all evil when you close one eye to it.
This stuff persistently brings out the worst in people. And I am not talking about the Israelis and Palestinians.
Cause Palestinians already have you.
Why do you only highlight Palestinian side, and ignore all the stuff posted above which is blatant PR lies and bullshit?
No one has it easy over there, but never heard you saying anything against a whole year of hundreds of rockets toward CIVILIAN people in southern Israel, and then you ask me this question?
As I said it before, scum of earth is on leadership positions and playing, while innocent people pay the price. Nothing new in the history of the world, I guess. Passively our fault.
You were posting before I was. Try again.
If I didn't exist, you would still be shamelessly shilling for Israel, so don't try to pass off this bullshit that you oppose all violence against innocents.
Israel kills 4:1, 6:1 and 8:1 Palestinians. Palestianians have no effective government, no army, and no political freedoms. They live under martial law. They are imprisoned without trial and tortured.
This is regular every day people, not terrorists.
And you want to tell me, that because a small number of Palestinians fire rockets at Israel (usually hitting no one) because they have lost their land, their freedom and they are living under occupation, that justifies Israeli government policy of oppression, land confiscation, and human rights violation for the last 45 years?
I'd rather we didn't have a Palestinian state or an Israeli state. I abhor violence against innocents, but to claim the Israelis are getting the worst of this situation is demonstrably false.
But what is your behavior? You are blatantly ignoring the violence against innocent people to promote your own racist views.
How are you better than anyone else?
I meant on a general, forum scale. There were other posts about this same topics here in the past.
guerilla said:
And you keep on thinking that anyone supporting opposing view from yours, is a bloody hungry Israels fan. This is super insulting.
guerilla said:
This is a big debate anyway. You probably know and educated yourself, what terrorist seem to be doing.
Hiding in the houses of their own people, hiding weapons in hospitals, using people they don't really care about except for them being MEAT and protection shield.
Just look at one of the videos posted above (I doubt you did, or shunned it as a piece of Israel's propaganda).
So, see, this is where I feel so bad about Palestinians, the fact that there is no choice for them. The same as if mobsters would come to your house, and hidden weapons, and if you killed one of them, a judge or police would come to hunt you down no matter what the justice is.
There is no opposition to tyranny of Hamas in Gaza, cause really there is no choice. I'm aware that Israel adds to this shitty situation, and actually helping Hamas, but they have no other choice as well but to protect their own people, in the political reality that middle east is now.
guerilla said:
You said it right, government. Not Israel, government. Please, use those two words separately, I thought you should be the first one on WF to separate those two words.
There is no justification for anything except only one thing. The fact that rockets constantly shell south Israel and its citizens (civilians). Lets ignore the fact that they don't hit anyone (thank god) but how can anyone live in those circumstances?
Constant sirens and running to shelter. What kind of life is that? How would you feel? Would you expect support from your own government?
Those people cannot change anything as well, so they have to take it and shut up. To get used to their children waking up to the sound of sirens and booms, and the constant stress in the air.
At least Israelis have government that finally decided to do something about helping relieve that, Palestinians cannot say the same thing, unfortunately.
guerilla said:
Never said Israelis get the worst of a situation, they are both in a bad situation.
There is only one racist here, and it is not me. I got nothing against Palestinian people, it's a pity what's going on in there, but I got against their animal ruling faction called Hamas, that get encouraged with support for their actions, on a pretense of public outcry for Palestinian people. They are the only ones winning here. Everyone else lost already.
"Hostilities" predate Hamas; they are a relatively new organization that wouldn't exist right now if there hadn't been hostilities.
1. Thousands of people get murdered and raped every day and nobody at wickedfire is required to "condemn" those events, so why would anybody here be expected to condemn facebook propaganda?
2 Pointing out facts or criticizing the Israel government does not necessarily make one "anti-Israel." If so, then some "anti-Israel" people would be the Pope and Jews such as Norman Finkelstein.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5drXEXkf9s&]Jewish girl tries to criticise Dr. Norman Finkelstein - YouTube[/ame]
also this!
look, all the dead Syrians moved to Gaza somehow, to be killed again
Maybe you should work for the IDF, you're reasonable at publishing bullshit propaganda - oops, no, you're just reposting someone elses idea. It is possible for people to make comments outside of the organization they work for, hence on his twitter page he states "Views mine.". That being said, you'll probably find most of the BBC/UK are against the totally disproportionate slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. As for the Telegraph, that's your standard old tabloid looking to create page filler. What's the best independent news source you have? Fox? MSNBC? CBSNSJFMKSDKL? Pathetic really.
Israel created and perpetuates the situation around their country so they deserve zero sympathy. They definitely ask for it when building fences around other peoples land, knocking down legal Palestinian homes, destroying crops, protecting Israeli "settlers" who have illegally built and drop missiles to assassinate people you dislike, to name a few.
Imagine if most Texans fanatically wanted their own nation, and the majority of US citizens also wished to allow it. Now imagine if the US government response was to not grant it, to purposely try to weaken their economy, to not allow them to vote in US elections, etc. By doing this would the US government have provided more or less safety support for Oklahoma residents?
If Texas was given its own state and left alone, but then attacked Oklahoma, then that would be a different situation.
I think it would be more along the lines of say:
There is 5 million Native Americans left in America, and they all live in Texas. And they want to form their own country. But, USA doesn't want that at all, of course, and tells them to fuck of, cause its the USA.
So, poor native's start forming terrorist organisations, cause they have no choice against repression and start sending suicide bombers to Vegas, NY, LA, to kill civilian Americans for their case of independence. Or, somehow gather rockets from China or Cuba and start shelling daily on Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana out of desperation.
How would you or your government look at it?
What would happen?
I, like the majority of Israelis, would support the other groups choice to have their own state.
Well, I wasn't trying to predict what "would" happen, but was questioning about what would be the best decision to support safety.
The government actually partially recognizes US native tribes as nations.
Tribal sovereignty in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Moxie said:
Maybe... but your government would still send you to war, right?
And you would have no choice. What if you lived in Arkansas or Louisiana yourself? Would that personally affect you and piss you off, with all the sirens and rockets, even if you would support their choice to independence?
Moxie said:
Would never allow them country, state, independence on a soil of todays USA.
I was merely pointing out that your "Things had been going great until Palestinian rocket attacks started up again." comment is false.
If you want to go back a little earlier than 2012 (since you posted an article from 2009 quoting stats from 2001 to present). I could bring up the 2009 Cast Lead operation, where Israel used white phosphorus and at least 800 women, children and elderly were killed. I could also talk about the 580 Palestinians including some 120 children who were killed in the course of frequent air and artillery bombardments back in 2006. I could talk about the Palestinians who died as a result of inability to reach medical care. Or maybe since you probably don't care much for Palestinians, I could mention how on March 16th 2003 an Israeli soldier driving a bulldozer crushed to death Rachel Corrie, an American nonviolent human rights protestor. Or how Tom Hurndall, a British photography student, was shot in the head by an Israeli sniper while trying to remove Palestinian children from the range of Israeli fire. There is much more I could talk about, but I doubt any of it would change your mind, would it?
Oh and I'm not anti-Israel, I doubt anybody posting on this thread so far is. I am anti-Israeli-policy when it comes to Gaza and the West Bank.
I will also leave the following here:
Norman Finkelstein