fast food workers strike, want $15 per hour min wage

Totally agree with that.. But there's plenty of options to go for that don't cost money.. $20/M internet, or the library.. Submit job applications, work in retail, office asst, or as a server at a few dollars more an hour.. Progress to retail store manager, office manager, or while serving move up restaurants to nicer places ($15+/hr in tips).. Or become Ast. Manager, etc.

I mean how can anyone not do this?... Food stamps, Gov housing, Welfare check, etc. All of the basics get covered for the most part, shit there's even a free cell phone to call jobs.. Aren't there free bus tokens too?

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Sure it's going to be horrible for quite a bit, but why stay stuck in that life.. I mean even here in IM, anyone can throw up a website for $20/year? Go home write content, (or sell it), that's 365 articles after a year... Surely you're going to get some traffic off that and at least make $500-2K (after a year).. ~$5/day? Enough to pay for a cheap car, etc. or build some small savings to make the transition.. Edit: Scratch that, 365 days worth of articles, $10/day = $3,650.. Not bad for writing ONE 1,000 word article every night at home after work..

Why get a better job if everything is free?! They even pay you to not work! Why have a job at all?!
 


Id love to work in fast food and not worry about SHIT

FIRE them ALL and hire people who want to work. Fucking pos's.

I think it's easy to have the attitude that fast food workers aren't shit, personally think that is fucked. They get shit wages and do work a lot harder than most people do. Do you consider retail or factory workers as better people?

It wasn't personally until I finally got a few different jobs that I realized how insanely hard I worked in that business as a manger. It still blows my mind how many people I knew from those days that are still doing it and how they haven't died from stress.

The union probably doesn't stand a snowballs chance of working as they'd probably just rehire from the ground up. McD's would have a ton to lose and I doubt this is the first time this has happened and they will crush it.
 
If that's the case why not give everyone $1,000 an hour?

Huh? I never said they should get $15, and much less 1,000. I never used the word deserve or give.

I am saying that social factions compete for a share of society's resources. These factions are rarely if ever based on meritocracy. If lower end social factions have more access to resources, the merchant princes (us) will have higher social mobility. The smaller the faction of society that has access to resources, the more constricted the economy becomes and the lesser the social mobility.

If you are obsessed with justice, righteousness, what is correct, and what not... then you are obsessed with that which does not exist on earth. I'm analyzing this from a point of view of being a merchant prince (or at least someone who is trying to be so) and the logical extensions of such issues... not the moral ones. I leave that for politicians and clergy.
 
The real incentive is for MCD to automate more of the food prep process. Every decade they've gotten better at this, from job shop layout of the food prep areas, to pre-cooking certain items that flow via their kanban system to other parts of the restaurant. As the cost of semi-intelligent machinery falls, the need for additional workers also falls (not a 1:1 ratio I realize); in time the vast majority of the prep process can be automated -- personalization will be the most difficult piece, but once within acceptable range of error, will result in a signficant reduction of labor required. My bet is that in the very end the last human workers in a MCD will be some people behind a cash register (more for the illusion of a person making the "food" and to provide a bit of comfort that if need be, items can be corrected by a human). Those last few humans probably will be worth $15/hr as they will need to be the most capable cust service reps MCD can train and retain; clearly not all of current MCD staffing are worthy of that wage.
 
The old Henry Ford fallacy
I'm not exactly gung-ho about $15/hr for fast food, but Henry Ford had it down right.
Cars were a significant investment for his workers, but he made their wages correspond roughly with the prices. Because of how he did it, money essentially entered his company but never left. At that time most workers actually lived in Detroit and it had the same impact on the city: it was a money vaccuum. It entered the economy and just didn't leave. It's cycled through the major employers(Auto companies), it's workers, back in, then the excess was spent in the local economy. It is the single reason Detroit was a boom-town until the 1960s or so.

It worked great for decades until the wealthier people moved out of the city during white flight and broke that dynamic apart. By that point the companies had all entrenched structures(pensions, etc) that relied on the money vacuum, but the vacuum had sprung a leak.

Henry Ford was a G.
 
I'm not exactly gung-ho about $15/hr for fast food, but Henry Ford had it down right.
Cars were a significant investment for his workers, but he made their wages correspond roughly with the prices. Because of how he did it, money essentially entered his company but never left. At that time most workers actually lived in Detroit and it had the same impact on the city: it was a money vaccuum. It entered the economy and just didn't leave. It's cycled through the major employers(Auto companies), it's workers, back in, then the excess was spent in the local economy. It is the single reason Detroit was a boom-town until the 1960s or so.

It worked great for decades until the wealthier people moved out of the city during white flight and broke that dynamic apart. By that point the companies had all entrenched structures(pensions, etc) that relied on the money vacuum, but the vacuum had sprung a leak.

Henry Ford was a G.

Here's the actual reason Ford raised his wages. It wasn't so they could buy his cars.

Paid Enough to Buy the Product - William L. Anderson - Mises Daily
 
Interdasting nickname. What are you trying to tell with it, if I may ask? That you have never eaten enough? Or that you want to kill and destroy all Ukrainians? Or what?
chose this name to bring attention to a real holocaust. i am a non-conformist historian who believes not a single jew was gassed. also i hold jewish communism responsible for the holodomor.
 
Here's the actual reason Ford raised his wages. It wasn't so they could buy his cars.

Paid Enough to Buy the Product - William L. Anderson - Mises Daily
That article is a mess.

1) The creation of the $5 jobs was the very beginning of what Ford later developed, it was not the end.
2) They seem latched onto the idea that it was humanitarian when it was not. It was about his own profit, but he profited from the workers being able to afford the cars.
3) Them being able to afford the cars factored more into the price of the cars than the wages he paid them.
Check out Dodge v Ford Motor Company

Here's the relevant bits:

Dodge v. Ford Motor Company, 204 Mich. 459, 170 N.W. 668. (Mich. 1919), is a case in which the Michigan Supreme Court held that Henry Ford owed a duty to the shareholders of the Ford Motor Company to operate his business to profit his shareholders, rather than the community as a whole or employees. It is often cited as embodying the principle of "shareholder value" in companies.

And...
The price of the Model T, Ford's mainstay product, had been successively cut over the years while the cost of the workers had dramatically, and quite publicly, increased. The company's president and majority stockholder, Henry Ford, sought to end special dividends for shareholders in favor of massive investments in new plants that would enable Ford to dramatically increase production, and the number of people employed at his plants, while continuing to cut the costs and prices of his cars.
tldr; He kept cutting the cost of the cars, even when demand was high enough he didn't have to. He wanted to expand while maintaining the cheap cars rather than pay out the investors or raise prices.

The minority shareholders objected to this strategy, demanding that Ford stop reducing his prices when they could barely fill orders for cars and to continue to pay out special dividends from the capital surplus in lieu of his proposed plant investments.
Honestly, I expected more from Mises.
 
chose this name to bring attention to a real holocaust. i am a non-conformist historian who believes not a single jew was gassed. also i hold jewish communism responsible for the holodomor.

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chose this name to bring attention to a real holocaust. i am a non-conformist historian who believes not a single jew was gassed. also i hold jewish communism responsible for the holodomor.

Stalin was Gruzine, lol. Not Jewish. What a freakin history you confess :fart:
 
ha ha as if it isn't hard enough to understand what they are saying

Huh? I don't see what there is to understand:
You pull in to the drive through. You say what you want, when they offer up-sells you turn them down (no need to know what it is; just say; that will be all thank you) and pay for your order.

But what do I know, I'm the type of person who believes Ford is a model to be looked up to. You believe he was wrong or obsolete somehow (
fal·la·cy
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noun, plural fal·la·cies.
1.
a deceptive, misleading, or false notion, belief, etc.: That the world is flat was at one time a popular fallacy.
2.
a misleading or unsound argument.
3.
deceptive, misleading, or false nature; erroneousness.
4.
Logic. any of various types of erroneous reasoning that render arguments logically unsound.
5.
Obsolete , deception.
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Huh? I never said they should get $15, and much less 1,000. I never used the word deserve or give.

I am saying that social factions compete for a share of society's resources. These factions are rarely if ever based on meritocracy. If lower end social factions have more access to resources, the merchant princes (us) will have higher social mobility. The smaller the faction of society that has access to resources, the more constricted the economy becomes and the lesser the social mobility.

If you are obsessed with justice, righteousness, what is correct, and what not... then you are obsessed with that which does not exist on earth. I'm analyzing this from a point of view of being a merchant prince (or at least someone who is trying to be so) and the logical extensions of such issues... not the moral ones. I leave that for politicians and clergy.

I'm all for the people on the low end of society to get a bigger slice of the pie as they say but it should be done through increase in skill set or education, it should be handed to them at a dead end job. Because at that point it changes the economics of the fast food industry and economics in general to some degree when you are forced to pay people more than they are worth or more than they can generate in economic terms
 
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Huh? I don't see what there is to understand:
You pull in to the drive through. You say what you want, when they offer up-sells you turn them down (no need to know what it is; just say; that will be all thank you) and pay for your order.

But what do I know, I'm the type of person who believes Ford is a model to be looked up to. You believe he was wrong or obsolete somehow (
fal·la·cy
[fal-uh-see] Show
noun, plural fal·la·cies.
1.
a deceptive, misleading, or false notion, belief, etc.: That the world is flat was at one time a popular fallacy.
2.
a misleading or unsound argument.
3.
deceptive, misleading, or false nature; erroneousness.
4.
Logic. any of various types of erroneous reasoning that render arguments logically unsound.
5.
Obsolete , deception.
)

Um....the Ford fallacy is that unless you pay your employees enough money they won't be able to buy the goods you're selling. Contrary to popular belief, Ford raised the salary of his employees not so they could buy his cars, but to reduce turnover. Ford realized he was losing money due to high attrition rates.. Second, only a very small percentage of income would go to buying a product sold by the employee's company, if any at all. If someone works at a Gillette factory maybe .01% of their income would go to buying razors.