Google Knowledge Graph -> fucking hypocrites
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One weird trick to stopping Google's tyranny:
At some point people have to come to grips with the reality that Google Inc. owns Google.com. It's their website, they can do whatever they want. If you want traffic from THEIR website take the good with the bad. Free traffic is just that, free. Example, if you want traffic from Wickedfire, there is the BST section. Every website has their rules when it's their traffic. Complaining isn't going to get you anywhere.
We're not going backwards to 2007 or even 2004 when everything was easy, it's just not going to happen. People also shouldn't get their hopes up that another search engine is going to come along that is easily spamable, and the masses of users will detract from Google - that's delusional - Bing is already easily spamming and look at their state.
Google will keep evolving, pushing boundaries, and pissing people off - wasting time and energy on complaining isn't going to do much. It's like an ant screaming to a tank on the battlefield.
Evolve from being a mere SEO requiring free traffic from a singular source for your livelihood and become a marketer.
"All things change in a dynamic environment. Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you." - PuppetMaster (Ghost In The Shell - 1995)
P.S. I will say this, there is a growing movement within blackhat SEO to reach into local markets with literally millions of pages of duplicate content with retardedly simple wordpress plugins and still bank. It's like 2002 all over again... But I am going to leave it at that, cause otherwise I'll start getting the hundreds of angry PMs. Hint: look at what's going on internationally then look at the players mimicking those same patterns domestically...
At some point people have to come to grips with the reality that Google Inc. owns Google.com. It's their website, they can do whatever they want. If you want traffic from THEIR website take the good with the bad. Free traffic is just that, free. Example, if you want traffic from Wickedfire, there is the BST section. Every website has their rules when it's their traffic. Complaining isn't going to get you anywhere.
We're not going backwards to 2007 or even 2004 when everything was easy, it's just not going to happen. People also shouldn't get their hopes up that another search engine is going to come along that is easily spamable, and the masses of users will detract from Google - that's delusional - Bing is already easily spamming and look at their state.
Google will keep evolving, pushing boundaries, and pissing people off - wasting time and energy on complaining isn't going to do much. It's like an ant screaming to a tank on the battlefield.
Evolve from being a mere SEO requiring free traffic from a singular source for your livelihood and become a marketer.
"All things change in a dynamic environment. Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you." - PuppetMaster (Ghost In The Shell - 1995)
P.S. I will say this, there is a growing movement within blackhat SEO to reach into local markets with literally millions of pages of duplicate content with retardedly simple wordpress plugins and still bank. It's like 2002 all over again... But I am going to leave it at that, cause otherwise I'll start getting the hundreds of angry PMs. Hint: look at what's going on internationally then look at the players mimicking those same patterns domestically...
This has been going on for around a year+ now...
Here's a screenshot I took last year for Wickedfire when someone brought this up when they said it was only for 'open' sites.
Post from last year: http://www.wickedfire.com/2165635-post4.html
Here's a screenshot I took last year for Wickedfire when someone brought this up when they said it was only for 'open' sites.
Post from last year: http://www.wickedfire.com/2165635-post4.html
It really doesn't matter. Times change, Technology changes, Search engines evolve, Software is developed. There really isn't a massive issue here - just move forward with the times and adapt or get left in the wilderness. Organic traffic from the big G is fantastic but it's by no means the only source... far from it in fact!
Aside from that you could complain about your content being ripped, or being happy that there's a fucking great big endorsement & huge box devoted to it at the very top of the SERPs with a direct link to your site.
The main thing is to not think of IM based purely on Google. I can't pin an actual number on it (well I can but I can't be arsed to just now), but by far the better converting traffic on a few of my sites doesn't come from them, even with being in position #2 for reasonably competitive "intend-to-buy" keyphrases.
That's my tuppence thrown in.
Aside from that you could complain about your content being ripped, or being happy that there's a fucking great big endorsement & huge box devoted to it at the very top of the SERPs with a direct link to your site.
The main thing is to not think of IM based purely on Google. I can't pin an actual number on it (well I can but I can't be arsed to just now), but by far the better converting traffic on a few of my sites doesn't come from them, even with being in position #2 for reasonably competitive "intend-to-buy" keyphrases.
That's my tuppence thrown in.
Google had one of my site's content in a Knowledge Graph for a few searches. My CTR for those terms increased when they added the Graph. So, in my experience, it wasn't a bad thing. Just my $0.02
It depends. Not all of the answer boxes have a link to the source.
And, of course, if you were in the top 10, but weren't picked to be in the answer box, you just got pushed down the page by however many pixels tall that answer box is.
And, lastly, Google knows how to boil their lobsters slowly, so they don't know they are being cooked. I remember when everyone was thrilled when you could list products in Froogle for free. Now it's just another pay to play widget pushing all the organics down.
I don't think many of us are under any illusions as to which direction it's going and where it will end up - it's a case of taking as much advantage as you can and use the intervening time to diversify and put lobsters into different places too.
It's not that simple when a company owns a service or product that is so dominant (monopoly). Microsoft copped it for years.
This is a great point.
However most websites don't claim they're legally allowed to rip your content, regardless of copyright/trademark, and display it on their own site next to ads unless you specifically put code on your site asking them not to.
Take for example the legal defense they have used for the Image Search with thumbnails they ripped and host themselves not infringing copyright. That BS would never fly for you or me.
The frustrating part for "the little guy" is Google does all sorts of things that would get us put out of business by the government or even thrown in jail.
Take for example a site like complaintsboard.com - it flagrantly violates US law but gets away with it being based in another country. Meanwhile Google has no legal liability being the pimp for this illegal site and selling ads on it. Try the same thing and some AG may throw you in jail.
It's not like it's just Google or anything but large companies in general. They can flagrantly break the law with little meaningful consequences while if we try the same thing we run the risk of losing everything. It's frustrating to compete with that.
There are literally 999K+ websites in the Alexa top 1MM. Learn to diversify, and no I don't mean just social media. It comes down to real marketing.
You walk into a mall and look at the shops and the customers in the mall - where the fuck is Google in that scenario? Most people have been going to malls long before there was Google or an Amazon - they still go to the mall every weekend. Those stores survived with marketing. Yellow Pages, Yelp, Linkedin, Reddit, niche forums, radio ads, TV ads, flyer, direct mail - tons of places and tons of ways you can generate steady targeted traffic for your business WITHOUT Google.
Google wasn't here before 1998, what did people do to generate business then? Surely they didn't wait around for someone to send them free traffic... There were businesses that existed and were making money long before Google on the internet. So what changed? The game got too easy for Marketers. Marketers became "SEO" cause Google made it so easy for free traffic. The problem is now it's time to pay the piper... So SEO is no longer easy and was never really free, and SEOs have to go back to becoming true marketers.
Problem is SEOs do not want to work hard for additional traffic sources cause they were used to the free traffic for so long. SEOs want to read a blogpost about this one new weird trick that's going to generate them more traffic through SEO, then plug and play.
Checkout this thread if you don't believe there is another way: Traffic Leaks, problem is most SEOs are too lazy to even bother trying to become true marketers.
Here is the reality, if you are doing ONLY SEO and have been stuck in that mentality for a number of years and haven't had the foresight to figure out how to diversify your traffic sources, guess what? you'll get exactly what's coming to you - nonsense like this from Google taking back their traffic; Oh and don't be confused, it is THEIR traffic, you gave them your content from your site in exchange for free traffic, now-a-days it's "maybe" traffic. If you don't want them to have your content, block Google and be done with it.
Some people hate Obama for being too socialist, then turn around and want free traffic... whad da faq? Think about this for a long moment - FREE traffic or Free ANYTHING from a mega multinational corporation... does that even sound right to you? Free what in-exchange for what? That can't work in any long term scenario when profits are involved, so obviously at some point in the future it will be time to pay the piper - 2015 looks like it's going to be that year... (unless you know this one weird trick, which I'll be talking about in my next blog post...)
You walk into a mall and look at the shops and the customers in the mall - where the fuck is Google in that scenario? Most people have been going to malls long before there was Google or an Amazon - they still go to the mall every weekend. Those stores survived with marketing. Yellow Pages, Yelp, Linkedin, Reddit, niche forums, radio ads, TV ads, flyer, direct mail - tons of places and tons of ways you can generate steady targeted traffic for your business WITHOUT Google.
Google wasn't here before 1998, what did people do to generate business then? Surely they didn't wait around for someone to send them free traffic... There were businesses that existed and were making money long before Google on the internet. So what changed? The game got too easy for Marketers. Marketers became "SEO" cause Google made it so easy for free traffic. The problem is now it's time to pay the piper... So SEO is no longer easy and was never really free, and SEOs have to go back to becoming true marketers.
Problem is SEOs do not want to work hard for additional traffic sources cause they were used to the free traffic for so long. SEOs want to read a blogpost about this one new weird trick that's going to generate them more traffic through SEO, then plug and play.
Checkout this thread if you don't believe there is another way: Traffic Leaks, problem is most SEOs are too lazy to even bother trying to become true marketers.
Here is the reality, if you are doing ONLY SEO and have been stuck in that mentality for a number of years and haven't had the foresight to figure out how to diversify your traffic sources, guess what? you'll get exactly what's coming to you - nonsense like this from Google taking back their traffic; Oh and don't be confused, it is THEIR traffic, you gave them your content from your site in exchange for free traffic, now-a-days it's "maybe" traffic. If you don't want them to have your content, block Google and be done with it.
Some people hate Obama for being too socialist, then turn around and want free traffic... whad da faq? Think about this for a long moment - FREE traffic or Free ANYTHING from a mega multinational corporation... does that even sound right to you? Free what in-exchange for what? That can't work in any long term scenario when profits are involved, so obviously at some point in the future it will be time to pay the piper - 2015 looks like it's going to be that year... (unless you know this one weird trick, which I'll be talking about in my next blog post...)
Hopefully you are not competing with Google, but like you said it's like that with anything. Once you become a dominate player in any market, you make up the rules. If people don't want Google to use their images, block Googlebot. The problem is there are dozens if not thousands of other website owners willing to take your place for that free traffic. When you're #1, you make the rules - that's just the reality of any scenario not just relevant to SEO, these Internet Pipes, or Google.
It's not just Wikipedia and IMDB, now they start scraping content from regular blogs.
Driving away traffic from the content creator.
This is wrong on so many levels.
Step back for a moment and try to imagine how fuckin pissed you'd be if you were losing millions because all your songs were available for free on youtube. Pirates gonna pirate. Don't you wish you were in bed with the government too?
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shill? Nah, no fucking way
^^^ wow that is some next level shit. Absolutely worthless information too.
"Can be treated at home. ... Sometimes, coma can occur." inb4 lawsuits.
"food poisoning" has that sidebar thing too, and it's funny that all the info re-worked and re-written not to be directly "scraped". Looks like Google got WordAI API too
"Can be treated at home. ... Sometimes, coma can occur." inb4 lawsuits.
"food poisoning" has that sidebar thing too, and it's funny that all the info re-worked and re-written not to be directly "scraped". Looks like Google got WordAI API too
