This is it! Your LAST DAY. (+ how to finally make 100K+ this year, you 'tard)

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You're right, it is a job-type project. But it's not your permanent gig. It's just one of many ways to afford you the freedom and capital for your own projects without needing an actual job.

Okay. But I've worked for a web design company and customers don't just go away after you make their site. They will be constantly calling about stupid shit. Oh and you'd better let them know up front that you won't change their website graphics much.

My point is you can't just flip a switch one day when you've made enough money and have them all disappear. I guess you could eventually have someone else take over that sort of work for you though.
 


I think you're missing the point of the original post a bit. It wasn't so much about that particular idea as much as it was about abolishing any hesitancy that someone may have about jump-starting their endeavors.

But about that - yeah, in the original post I said:

(Another tip: NEVER promise ranking, no matter how longtail and easy. And ALWAYS give a good product. SEO is never done so these clients WILL BE a longterm commitment)

I never said to dump your clients once you've stopped offering services to new clients. But by that time, you should have enough managerial/delegation skills to be able to somehow outsource the ongoing SEO (while keeping an eye on things, of course).
 
Great post... this is exactly what I have intended to do - consulting work.

Also, remember that these people will often have things they need/want that you CAN'T offer... so have a list of suppliers/outsource to fill in the gaps. Take a cut of the action as an affiliate or by inflating the price a little bit.

Also, if you have control of their website, I would think about negotiating a link back to your website in the footer. When I really like a design/theme, I often check to see who did it and visit their site and bookmark it for possible future work.
 
Great post... this is exactly what I have intended to do - consulting work.

Also, remember that these people will often have things they need/want that you CAN'T offer... so have a list of suppliers/outsource to fill in the gaps. Take a cut of the action as an affiliate or by inflating the price a little bit.

'Zactly. No reason to keep everything in-house as long as you make sure that you are the only person your clients talk to.


Also, if you have control of their website, I would think about negotiating a link back to your website in the footer.

I haven't even been asking - I just do it. No one has complained yet. I think it's pretty much expected.
 
This is one of the best posts I've ever seen on a marketing forum. You are totally right you have to get your feet dirty to make any money. It's not all about sitting behind a pc and building site or spamming. There is a lot of work behind being successful in this industry.
 
Nice post. I couldn't do that, personally, as I'm a terrible speaker and have social anxiety. ("That" being meeting with people locally, doing cold call sales, etc.)

I'm one of those people that is constantly downloading new templates, new skins, new software, new scripts, new icons, new psd's, new brushes, etc.

Instead of that constant intellectual masturbation, this year I'm going to focus on more projects that I can bring to fruition more quickly, starting tonight.
 
A good motivational post Geek but I agree with aim and ChrisS. I've been working as a web developer for the past 6 years and I'm so fucking sick of dealing with clients, particularly small businesses who want everything for nothing. Having clients is like having 50 different bosses, they all think they own you.
 
A good motivational post Geek but I agree with aim and ChrisS. I've been working as a web developer for the past 6 years and I'm so fucking sick of dealing with clients, particularly small businesses who want everything for nothing. Having clients is like having 50 different bosses, they all think they own you.


Yeah, I see all of your points. Trust me, working with clients CAN be a hassle. A huge one. Just yesterday (New Year's Eve - just hours after I made that post) I had a client tell me that she didn't see why she should pay me the remainder of my fee (she paid half upfront and owed half) since she even though the site was finished she hadn't yet received any traffic.

When she said that it was extremely difficult for me not to get seriously pissed.

But I explained to her very calmly that the agreement was that she pay me the remainder when the site is finished - that my fee was NOT for traffic (she's opted out of my "ongoing SEO" package) but for the site itself. I did end up getting paid.

Tomorrow I am going to write up a legal contract for all future clients to sign. I learned my lesson VERY quickly.

But back to dealing with clients, I don't mind it. I love where I live and I really want to make a positive reputation for myself in my community and the surrounding areas. That's why I chose this route in the first place. I'm also gifted with the gift of gab and I love to use it.


Find your own way to bootstrap your businesses that doesn't involve clients but never fool yourself into believing that you won't ever need some kind of sales/marketing/advertising skills. No matter what you do - online or off - being good at promoting yourself and your business will make you much more valuable and your efforts much more profitable. (I'm sure most people reading this will know this already but I'm just throwing it out there for the possible few that may not.)







And why are you still reading this?!? Get to work and make some money!!!

:alert: Do It Fucking NOW! :alert:

:angrysoapbox_sml: :drinkup::angrysoapbox_sml::drinkup:
 
Offer local search optimized websites to local businesses in your area.

Play up "local search" when you talk to prospective clients and how it can increase their business tremendously.

All it takes to land a client is a tiny bit of research on their niche and their local competition's online presence.

Sales tip: Don't sell "local search optimization." Sell "increased exposure to prospective customers may not otherwise know about your business."

When you show up to the meeting, bring printouts of the keywords that they need to target, a synopsis of what their competition is doing online, and a detailed plan of how you're going to make them rank well in Google, MSN, and Yahoo! for "Springdale, Illinois" or whatever craphole you live in.

It doesn't hurt to know how much other means of advertising costs, either (newspapers, local interest magazines, radio spots, crappy cable commercials, billboards, etc.) If you make this a sales point, reiterate continuously that all of those means of advertisement involve a recurring cost whereas yours is a much more prolonged solution.

Dress confidently. Speak confidently. You are the expert.

(And try not to patronize them when they have no idea what you are talking about half the time - I know, it can be hard at times.)

Once you've landed the account, take some snapshots of the business and anything else that is relevant to their business.

Implement their business name plus a good keyword and buy their domain.

(Example: "Furry Friends" is the name of a pet store. So register something like "FurryFriendsPetStore." Duh.)

Throw up a wordpress blog and then add a nice, clean theme that you tweaked. Make a static front page and make it look clean and professional. White space is good. Clutter is bad.

Add pics, a few good plugins, content, and do some on-page SEO.

If you can, throw in a gallery using the lightbox effect plugin. People are always amazed at that and it takes two minutes.


Take the time to submit the new site to local search directories and reputable, helpful sites.


After your first few clients, stick up a nice site of your own. Order GOOD business cards. Use the front and back of the card. Carry them everywhere.

Tell your previous clients that you will host their site free and give them "on going SEO" for free or a reduced charge if they send you referrals.

In no time at all, they will see that they rank #1 for stupid keywords like "Springdale pet store" and "Springdale pet supplies" because their competition is stupid and don't know what they are doing.

Be sure to send them a small, weekly newsletter along with an excel file that shows their upwards progression in the SE's for their targeted search terms.

Even though you and I know that those terms are cake to rank for, they don't. Hell, they are going to be shocked as hell that manipulating SE's are even possible.

(Another tip: NEVER promise ranking, no matter how longtail and easy. And ALWAYS give a good product. SEO is never done so these clients WILL BE a longterm commitment)

Before you know it, you WILL be making over 10k a month just through word of mouth (considering ~$1,000 to $2,000 per site + ~$100/mo for "on going SEO; <--Those figures are arbitrary. Decide for yourself what is fair and worth your time.)

Free, cheap, or just plain badass ways to market yourself:
  • Word-of-mouth (by far the best)
  • Join the local Chamber of Commerce (great networking and the majority of contacts you meet will either need your service or know ten people who do)
  • LEGITIMATE Craig's List ads (Point out that you are LOCAL and that you give PERSONAL SERVICE such as visiting their business - it works)
  • Quarter-sheet flyers on the counter at previous clients' retail locations.
  • Feel free to post some more.

This Exact same concept (offering sites and SEO work to local businesses Etc.) along with all the ideas you just posted were already posted just the other day on the Warrior Forum spawning a 2 page thread over there. Hell, you didn't even bother to change some of the comments posted by their members, you just swallowed and then regurgitated other peoples shit. :repuke:

Next time at least have the balls to tell us that you are scraping thread topics from other forums because you have no imagination.
 
Phoam, please realize that the content of this post is similar to the content of a many months old post here on WF, and possibly from that post. If Warrior Forum has a post like it, then guess what: IT WAS PROBABLY STOLEN WORD FOR WORD FROM HERE.

FOAD with your Warrior Forum attitude. Go dispense n00bie justice elsewhere to make yourself feel like a big shit.
 
This Exact same concept (offering sites and SEO work to local businesses Etc.) along with all the ideas you just posted were already posted just the other day on the Warrior Forum spawning a 2 page thread over there. Hell, you didn't even bother to change some of the comments posted by their members, you just swallowed and then regurgitated other peoples shit. :repuke:

Next time at least have the balls to tell us that you are scraping thread topics from other forums because you have no imagination.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

**gasps for breath**

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Please, oh PLEASE post a link to the thread you are talking about. PLEASE.

The day I steal anything from the WarriorForum is the day I give up on life. Take that to the bank.


The point of the post was not to spoon-feed people on how to offer sites to local businesses. The point was to hopefully remind people that they don't have to be stuck chasing their tails trying to turn a buck using the interwebz. And they don't have to be stuck at a shitty job to bootstrap their business.

I gave the example of offering sites to local businesses because THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS to supplement my growing automated income.

I CERTAINLY didn't "steal" any idea from ANY of the mouthbreathers over at the WarriorForum.

In case you haven't noticed the notion of offering website design is not necessarily new. I didn't come up with the idea, you dolt. I just found that it works for me.

But please satisfy my curiosity - WHY would I even go through the trouble of stealing anything and posting it in a public forum?

For the reputation? Got plenty already, thanks.

To try to be some kind of "ebook guru" like all the windowlickers at WarriorForum? I'd rather piss broken glass.

For the "atta boy" responses to my post? I could get a much better response like that just by posting a few pics of nice tits.


I wrote that post (off the top of my head, not because I "stole" anything) because I had a few minutes to kill and was excited about the new year. AND I will never forget what it's like just starting out. So I decided to try my attempt at writing something inspiring.

I'm waiting to see this post that I first supposedly read (I haven't even looked at that forum in God-knows-how-long) and then "
swallowed and then regurgitated other peoples shit" (No, shithead. Nothing I posted was exactly groundbreaking in the least. It wasn't supposed to be. Actually, it was supposed to have the opposite effect - to hopefully show people how easy it can be.)

Dammit, I can't believe I wasted this many words responding to your asinine accusation. Now I'm mad at myself.
 
The most important, and generic (not possible business models like 'spam!' or 'web design!' or 'seo!') parts of the OP are:

... Do it Fucking Now.

What keeps most people back is that they think that they don't know enough to start something. They are afraid of failing and of some dire consequences that will come from it. But here's a secret:

Your best success will come after the 10th (or more) failure.

...

Here is your game plan for today, December 31st, 2007:

Step 1: Pick one facet of internet marketing that you have learned a LOT about and that compliments your strengths.

Step 2: Do it. Stop reading about it. Stop planning it. Do it. Now.

Step 3: Test, tweak, learn, improve.

Step 4: Scale it until you are rich.

It's time to stop THINKING, READING, and PLANNING your success. It's time to MAKE your success.

The 'getting customers for a directory' does not interest me at this time, but it does open my eyes that there are many ways to earn money. *I* just have to *TAKE ACTION* and stop *PLANNING*. It's all up to me, dammit! Win or lose, succeed or fail, earn or not! Me! *I* have to do it, and I just have to

Do it Fucking Now.
 
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