EXPELLED -How Schools Are Hiding Real Science.
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Yes that's right. Somehow they didnt need much proof to get the grant money so they can get their study on. See,,, its all about what side of the fence your on. I say black list these guys, and if someone mentions this theory in schools. Take them to court.
Look at this.
Surfer physicist gets grant to study theory of everything
Last week, the Foundational Questions Institute (FQXi) announced it has awarded $2.7 million in grants to 33 researchers to study basic questions in physics and cosmology.
Look at this.
Surfer physicist gets grant to study theory of everything
Last week, the Foundational Questions Institute (FQXi) announced it has awarded $2.7 million in grants to 33 researchers to study basic questions in physics and cosmology.The same shit is happening here too. Sorry, I can't be arsed to find a link, but there was a Panorama (or similar) on creationism being taught in UK schools a little while back... the kids even take GCSE science exams with creationism questions!
What this comes down to, in my view, is the difference between theories and ideas that change as new evidence emerges and beliefs which don't have that flexibility.
I believe nothing.
Lol this in itself is a completely new argument, one that will be best left untouched
Everyone believes in something.
Lol this in itself is a completely new argument, one that will be best left untouched
Everyone believes in something.
Then there's the difference between believing something and believing in something...
Well, just try checking this out for yourself, here's a pretty good article that also goes a little in to natural selection:
Why are we getting taller as a species?: Scientific American
More information on the evolution of the eye:
Evolution of the eye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Once you understand how evolution works all this stuff makes perfect sense, I know your an intelligent guy Eli (I read Bluhatseo all the time
), just try reading up on it.
Yes that's right. Somehow they didnt need much proof to get the grant money so they can get their study on. See,,, its all about what side of the fence your on. I say black list these guys, and if someone mentions this theory in schools. Take them to court.
Look at this.
Surfer physicist gets grant to study theory of everything
The thing is, ID has already had its day in court. It's official, it's not science, and therefore not to be studied in science lessons.
Argh.. another one ...
I despise the religious people capitalizing their meaning of the words "to believe" and belief.
I can believe in something without being religious.
I believe in Democracy.
I believe tomorrow will be rainy.
I believe I will get a blowjob tonight.
All of this having nothing to do with belief in invisible beings.
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I despise the religious people capitalizing their meaning of the words "to believe" and belief.
I can believe in something without being religious.
I believe in Democracy.
I believe tomorrow will be rainy.
I believe I will get a blowjob tonight.
All of this having nothing to do with belief in invisible beings.
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Here's where I rest:
Christianity and Atheism are a system of beliefs. ID is a part of some of those belief systems. aka religion.
Evolution, what holes may be, is still supported by enough scientific evidence to validate it's existence as a science.
Science is taught in public schools. Religion is not.
So for education: Evolution in. ID out.
PS @ erect. If God didn't want giant signatures, he wouldn't have created the scroll bar.
Christianity and Atheism are a system of beliefs. ID is a part of some of those belief systems. aka religion.
Evolution, what holes may be, is still supported by enough scientific evidence to validate it's existence as a science.
Science is taught in public schools. Religion is not.
So for education: Evolution in. ID out.
PS @ erect. If God didn't want giant signatures, he wouldn't have created the scroll bar.
Yeah, apart from Atheism isn't a system of beliefs, it is an absence of belief in a god. Pretty weird that we even have a name for it as we don't have a name for people that don't believe in santa, or unicorns, but there you go.
Intelligent design does not necessarily mean designed from God. Aliens could have very well been our designers. That's not religion & it's a very real possibility. I'd say a more likely scenario than we "evolved" from bacteria.
It's also accurate to say that spontaneous life creation is associated with athiesm ... so that too is religion, or a belief system by your definition.
It sounds like you and I have the same problem, defining where evolution ends and where abiogenesis begins. By comparing evolution to ID (your words) you are tapping into how life came about and not how creatures change over time.
You are basically clouding the definition of evolution to suit your athiestic needs and get your "scientific" agenda in front of my child. Lets face it, understanding how life came to this planet is just best guess science and is not something that is required to make it in life. College ... sure go for it, theories can be debated by bright minds. 10 year olds believe what their teachers say as truths. None of this belongs in that class room because it's simply not facts.
This is exactly why you don't want ID in schools and exactly why I don't want abiogenesis (loose definition of evolution) in schools. As with my last comment a page back, i have no problem with evolution in the sense that animals / the earth changes. Anything further than that in elementary school and you're just spreading 1/2 truths to suit your beliefs just like the religious extremists are trying to do.
So, to sum it up ... evolution stays in school, but not to explain how life began (ex. we've evolved from single cell organisms bullshit).
As far as the rest goes you have two choices for how to explain the existance of life.
1. explain all the possibilities and do some open discussions with the kids. Tell them that we just don't know and to decide for yourself. At this stage there is no wrong or right answer, it's just how you believe.
2. leave it all out of the classroom.
Either one works for me. I'm an involved enough parent to go over this stuff with my daughter before she got in school. Yes, I prepared my child for the liberal propaganda of public schools when she was 5 years old ... isn't that sad.
Evolution has never been meant to explain how life began, just what happens once it has done.
No more sad than me having to prepare my 6 year old son for the religious fanatics that he comes across everyday here in the bible belt.
BTW , not that you'll believe it but I understood and acknowledged evolution long before I decided on atheism as my personal belief system (or lack of belief system whatever). I was brought up southern baptist, so it took a while to cut through all the bullshit to get to where I am today on a religious belief. But I never doubted the theory of Evolution (as a science). Just like I don't doubt the theory of Gravity.
Guys, I'm understanding all of this. My point is that the fine line between evolution & abiogenesis is very blurry in most people's definition. This is why we are having the problems that we are.
As I've stated several times, it's all about the definition of evolution and everyone twisting it up to suit their agenda. This is why big religion is having the issues with evolution in schools. Obviously evolution meaning change is harmless and quite obviously a fact of life. When you bring the big bang into the debate it changes the meaning of evolution to something it is not.
Bear with me here, I'm just trying to explain why the religious sect feels the way they do. When you fuck with people's religion (God or science) you're playing with fire ... as this thread confirms.
no shit?!?!! Read what I write please
no shit?!?!! Read what I write please
Athiests can believe that aliens seeded our planet ... or simply not not care or believe either way. I'm fine with that emp. That one was a small stretch but when you follow abiogenesis through can you not see how it's damaging to one's religion?
This is not fact and should not be taught as so.
Werd, I'm not claiming that southern baptists are not fucking nuts. That's like saying PITA protestors are not crazy. I was raised by bible belters in the deep south ... I feel your pain from the other side.
But honestly, you are trying to get on a pedistal comparing ID to evolution because you have science in schools. ID, abiogenesis & big bang should be left out, plain and simple. It's conversations like these that make the line blurry. I know it's there but when 200+ passionate posts show up in an evolution thread in only 2 days you can see how the common man can confuse the issues.
Ask any of those religius fanatics what evolution means when they come knocking on your door. You'll see that your athiestic agenda has corrupted what is a quite simple definition. It no longer means change ... this is not religions doing. This is science getting an inch and taking a mile.
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Nor did I, I just never fully lost my religion as you did. That said, religion is NOT a factor in evolution as long as it means "change" not "how the earth was created".
As I've stated several times, it's all about the definition of evolution and everyone twisting it up to suit their agenda. This is why big religion is having the issues with evolution in schools. Obviously evolution meaning change is harmless and quite obviously a fact of life. When you bring the big bang into the debate it changes the meaning of evolution to something it is not.
Bear with me here, I'm just trying to explain why the religious sect feels the way they do. When you fuck with people's religion (God or science) you're playing with fire ... as this thread confirms.
no shit?!?!! Read what I write please
no shit?!?!! Read what I write please
Athiests can believe that aliens seeded our planet ... or simply not not care or believe either way. I'm fine with that emp. That one was a small stretch but when you follow abiogenesis through can you not see how it's damaging to one's religion?
This is not fact and should not be taught as so.
Werd, I'm not claiming that southern baptists are not fucking nuts. That's like saying PITA protestors are not crazy. I was raised by bible belters in the deep south ... I feel your pain from the other side.
But honestly, you are trying to get on a pedistal comparing ID to evolution because you have science in schools. ID, abiogenesis & big bang should be left out, plain and simple. It's conversations like these that make the line blurry. I know it's there but when 200+ passionate posts show up in an evolution thread in only 2 days you can see how the common man can confuse the issues.
Ask any of those religius fanatics what evolution means when they come knocking on your door. You'll see that your athiestic agenda has corrupted what is a quite simple definition. It no longer means change ... this is not religions doing. This is science getting an inch and taking a mile.
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Nor did I, I just never fully lost my religion as you did. That said, religion is NOT a factor in evolution as long as it means "change" not "how the earth was created".
Well you said:
(ex. we've evolved from single cell organisms bullshit).
I think what you were saying here is that we couldn't have evolved from a single cell organism, well that's what evolutions is. Small changes over billions of years amount to utterly massive changes, so yes, we could (did) evolve from single cell organisms. As someone said way back in this thread, if you take millions of little steps it's impossible not to walk for miles (something like that
).If they want to know what evolution is, and they should do, then they should read a book about it, not listen to there mates in the pub, or the local preacher. No scientist will tell you that evolution includes the big bang, or the start of life on earth. The misinformation here IS spread by people that don't know what they are talking about passing false information on to others.
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