How the hell do I stop getting my EPN sites slapped like a bitch?

You know whats retarded about this, he is talking about doing this on PPC for physical products and the penalty is a google slap. its one thing if google wants to drop your organic rankings because your site is focused on selling stuff, but to hurt you on PPC where you are paying for sponsored ads AND you are providing a likely much superior user experience (by including original content, etc) than the typically found average adwords page (including 'direct linked' advertiser / manufactuer pages), is just terrible.

Google only likes big middlemen, like itself and Amazon, not little middlemen like you.

What's also retarded is there are a heap of videos of google employees out there preaching that site load speed is very important to the user experience.

But even those my eBay aff pages load a crap load faster than eBay's own pages because they're not chock full of shitty javascript (= good user experience), that's not GOOD ENOUGH so NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Original content! You must have original content! Scream the bastards from Google.com, a site that you've gotta search pretty hard through to find some ORIGINAL CONTENT on it!

Don't get me started.
 


Google abuses it's market leadership by making the rules up as it goes along, not telling anyone what those rules are, closing accounts without the account holder being told exactly why etc, etc.
If Google isn't committing fraud, then they aren't abusing anything. If you agree to do business with them, on their terms, then you are susceptible to their discretion. If you don't like it, don't deal with them. Period.

One important role of government is to regulate powerful corporations/industries that screw Joe Public Citizen/Small Business because Joe Public Citizen doesn't have the power to make them play fair.
Government is a gang of thieves, writ large. They do not regulate big corporations, they use regulation to raise the cost of entry (something the internet shattered) so as to keep people from competing with the big corporations and special interests who fund their campaigns.

Google is not screwing anyone who agrees to their terms of service. Again, you have no RIGHT to do business with Google, and you have no RIGHT to a profit, or user account, or advertising contracts.

If the ISP's start treating some people's data going through the toobs as more important than other people's data, then the Govt HAS to step in and lay down some rules to prevent abuse of the users.
No, ISPs should treat premium data better than other data. That is how a market economy works. The people willing to pay the most, get priority, because resources are scarce, and they cannot be allocated along egalitarian lines. Those who are willing to pay the most, should have first crack, instead of wasting bandwidth that producers need, giving it to shitheads who want to stream worthless emo video diaries on their facebook page.

This is a forum of people who make money because the government isn't controlling our business or regulating bandwidth. You can take that care bears daddy government shit to WarriorForum or such. It's misplaced sentiment here.
 
If Google isn't committing fraud, then they aren't abusing anything. If you agree to do business with them, on their terms, then you are susceptible to their discretion. If you don't like it, don't deal with them. Period.

Substitute "Google" for your local monopoly water supplier. They raise your water rate 1000%. "If you agree to do business with them, on their terms, then you are susceptible to their discretion. If you don't like it, don't deal with them." is not an option.

Government is a gang of thieves, writ large. They do not regulate big corporations, they use regulation to raise the cost of entry (something the internet shattered) so as to keep people from competing with the big corporations and special interests who fund their campaigns.

That's only when Cheney's in charge. :)

If it weren't for government regulation exhaust emmissions and mandating the removal of lead from fuel and paint, you'd be a retard right now.


No, ISPs should treat premium data better than other data. That is how a market economy works. The people willing to pay the most, get priority, because resources are scarce, and they cannot be allocated along egalitarian lines. Those who are willing to pay the most, should have first crack, instead of wasting bandwidth that producers need, giving it to shitheads who want to stream worthless emo video diaries on their facebook page.

Nice try, but bandwidth is NOT that scarce. Not in continental USA. Any scarcity is artificial, to jack up prices.

This is a forum of people who make money because the government isn't controlling our business or regulating bandwidth. You can take that care bears daddy government shit to WarriorForum or such. It's misplaced sentiment here.

Google IS controlling our businesses. ISP's ARE regulating bandwidth.

If you're OK with that, then that's fine. But what's all this trying to suppress other people's opinions shit?
 
Substitute "Google" for your local monopoly water supplier. They raise your water rate 1000%. "If you agree to do business with them, on their terms, then you are susceptible to their discretion. If you don't like it, don't deal with them." is not an option.
You can start your own search engine anytime. Lots of people do it. They just suck, because Google does it best. Better than Microsoft.

Don't compare Google to a public utility that has a regulatory monopoly. The reason why there was one phone company, one water company, one electric company was because you need a license to compete.

All monopoly is based on privilege. Privilege always starts with the state. Which is why we don't want any regulation on the net, because it will create privilege and wipe out independent IMs working from home or small offices.

Nice try, but bandwidth is NOT that scarce. Not in continental USA. Any scarcity is artificial, to jack up prices.
Bandwidth is scarce. Capital infrastructure is not free.

Google IS controlling our businesses. ISP's ARE regulating bandwidth.
Google doesn't control the internet. You don't have a RIGHT to be in the SERPs. You don't have a RIGHT to rank.

Of course ISPs regulate bandwidth. Bandwidth is scarce, and they are in business to generate the maximum profit from their scarce resources. This is econ 101.

If you're OK with that, then that's fine. But what's all this trying to suppress other people's opinions shit?
At Wickedfire, no one is going to treat you like a unique snowflake until you add some value to the discussions. Thus far, you're batting 0 for 3 in this thread.

If you ever intend to rise above irrelevancy, maybe you should read first and then pick your spots. The classic mistake is offering an opinion, before you offer anyone value (knowledge or service). No one cares about your opinion, until you prove your opinion is profitable.
 
Aww, bullshit guerilla, those last two lines were sigworthy until your "values" kicked in... fuck
It won't be the last time I disappoint you, but hey, look at it this way. That rare time when I please you, it will be that much more special.
 
When doing PPC to my BANS site, the only thing that stopped them from getting slapped was pagerank. Roughly, a pr3 site would not get slapped and a pr1 site would get nailed.

Don't ask me, maybe it was a coincidence. I stopped doing PPC to Ebay months ago, the return on investment wasn't worth the time anymore.
 
Let me present this scenario for argument:

eBay and Google are in bed.

eBay doesn't want PPC to aff pages- ebay wants to control PPC. Google decides that it would be helpful to their friendly partner eBay to slap aff pages.


I didn't read this thread- but why wouldn't you think this is a strong possibility?
 
Let me present this scenario for argument:

eBay and Google are in bed.

eBay doesn't want PPC to aff pages- ebay wants to control PPC. Google decides that it would be helpful to their friendly partner eBay to slap aff pages.


I didn't read this thread- but why wouldn't you think this is a strong possibility?

ebay is one of google adwords biggest clients without a doubt. they consistantly rank as the top hit for popular consumer products.

a few years ago you could type "assholes" in google and an ebay ad would show up that says "Find Assholes on eBay".

ebay's business model is based on charging sellers a modest listing fee. they make way less profit on a sale than a retailer would so it is interesting that they can consistantly outbid retailers with PPC. with slim margins they would need to cut out the affiliate whenever possible.

they must be exhanging favors. ebay's ownership of paypal makes them one powerful ass company.
 
ebay's business model is based on charging sellers a modest listing fee. they make way less profit on a sale than a retailer would so it is interesting that they can consistantly outbid retailers with PPC. with slim margins they would need to cut out the affiliate whenever possible.

ebay's operating margin for the first quarter of '09 was 20.9% (down from 25% from the previous year but still pretty damn healthy and definitely not slim.)
 
ebay's operating margin for the first quarter of '09 was 20.9% (down from 25% from the previous year but still pretty damn healthy and definitely not slim.)

my terminology was off there. i was talking about ebay's ROI with their PPC campaigns. unless they are getting super cheap clicks as a favor their return must not be all that great in the short term.
 
If ebay is so concerned with affiliates...why do they have an affiliate program?
 
. unless they are getting super cheap clicks as a favor


I'm not an Adwords person so maybe I know not of which I speak, that said: isn't adwords CPC based on QS? And how much more Quality can you get then ebay.com ? I would imagine they get the lowest CPC possible.
 
get a new name for it or ....:costumed-smiley-087

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Google abuses it's market leadership by making the rules up as it goes along, not telling anyone what those rules are, closing accounts without the account holder being told exactly why etc, etc.

Everyone else gets to make up their own rules too. Google is just better at their job at this stage of the game

One important role of government is to regulate powerful corporations/industries that screw Joe Public Citizen/Small Business because Joe Public Citizen doesn't have the power to make them play fair.

Wrong, that's the role of the market. If businesses are unethical or put out an inferior product, someone else will surface (assuming the barrier to entry isn't too high thanks to regulation) and consumers will migrate.

I like my internet the way it is, fuck you very much.