Messed up sleeping schedules...

G3kk0 said:
Sleep is a geek obsession for me. I have played with it for 15 years (35 years old now).
So far polyphasic sleep or the variations have worked best for me.

My energy level, productivity, and general well being is consistent.
I don't have dips that happen when I follow a monophasic sleep
schedule. I would get into my metrics (yeah ghey whatever)
but that would lead to a LONG ass post.

I have expiremented with monafidil (drug for narcoleptic peeps), regular
sleep, naps, different sleep times, ect. What I am doing now has been better
as far as mood, effectiveness, energy, and it gives me 4-6 more hours a day.

I get regular blood tests and other whacked medical tests that have given
me no indication that I am doing any harm at this point. My personal
metrics have shown that my moods and optimism seem to be above
my normal baseline.

Adjusting was a bitch. Took me 5 weeks. The one issue I might have with
it is a recent one. I am in a muscle gain mode and it has been slower
than it normally takes to put on mass. My body might not be recovering
fast enough but its to early to tell.

I am a fitness freak and have trained for a marathon on this sleep schedule.

Besides people thinking I am on speed there have been no ill issues.

Steve Palvina Has a good write up on his experience with it that might be of
interest to you (30 days detailed and 90 days summarized).
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Found an interesting link off that site,

Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily

As songbirds awaken the early risers at dawn on the farm, one resident is already up; in fact, he never slept not once in the past 33 years.

Now that would rock.
 


I actually have the exact same thing as OP and many others on here most of the time. I do get 8-10 hrs of sleep per day but it's completely out of wack.

I've started to try to fix it lately because I'm concerned it could be unhealthy. I'm not sure if it really is or not though.

I think it happens for me because
- I really like working late at night on the computer more. It's quiet and a computer screen in the dark just gives me a nice feeling.
- I'm not forced to keep any type of schedule with a real job or responsibilities.
- I just sleep and stay up whenever I want to.

If i knew it wasn't unhealthy I'd have no prob with it.
 
sleep patterns way fucked up here.
Diff timezones for me every night.. an 'afternoon break' is when I go meet friends who just finished work at bars, stripclubs etc in the middle of the night for some social time... then I may come home and work some more in the morning or get a little more..social.

Am in Australia and one day I'm launching campaigns in the US, the next in Europe, the next here. Dont have much choice really and I've never been big on sleep anyway. Work til I cant work no more, party til I cant party no more, couple of times a week sleep til I cant sleep no more.
 
G3kk0 said:
Sleep is a geek obsession for me. I have played with it for 15 years (35 years old now).
So far polyphasic sleep or the variations have worked best for me.

......

Steve Palvina Has a good write up on his experience with it that might be of
interest to you (30 days detailed and 90 days summarized).
Click to expand...
Would you mind elaborating on which polyphasic schedule you're on? I did 'Uberman' (6x20 minute naps, every 4 hrs) for ~2 months before I quit, I think I adjusted in like 2 wks. After that, I went 'Everyman' (3 hr core, two 30 minute naps) for another 6 months while I worked a night shift. I got a desk job that summer, went monophasic, and haven't experimented since.
 
the OP couldn't have explained it any better. That's like my schedule to a tea...creepy :)

The problem is I have nothing to dictate when I HAVE TO sleep. So I sleep so randomly like short cat naps throughout the day and up all night. Then when I do have something that must be done at a certain time I find it nearly impossible to time the sleep or stay asleep long enough to make it happen. The sleep schedule alone has made me a very unreliable person. Productive but unreliable.
 
haha my sleeping schedule is beyond control. Some days go to bed at 4am wake up at 11am, other days going to bed at 11am waking up at 4pm. Depends on how friendly Google is that day :)
 
zimok said:
Found an interesting link off that site,

Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily
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This was actually a great story, thanks for sharing.

One of my buddies claimed he didnt sleep for 2 weeks straight, and I remember us getting into an argument. I claimed he MUST have slept a little, sometimes you lie in bed and you actually are asleep for 30 mins and you wake up thinking you never actually dozed off.

I was under the impression the body sort of shuts down after 7-8 days of no sleep and you just kind of collapse without control and go into a 24-48 sleep, guess I was wrong.

Now for this Vietnamese guy to go 30 years? WTF! How is that possible?!
 
I remember a friend of mine telling me not too long ago that science hasn't really proved that humans actually require sleep...or some crazy shit like that.

He smokes a lot of bud, though.
 
just had the worst sleep of my life last night, i think it has something to do with not doing enough physical work
 
Today I went to sleep at 12pm and woke up at 3:30, couldn't get back to sleep. In this industry, a fucked up sleep schedule is as common as $100 adsense wet dreams from DP'ers.
 
I had read somewhere that humans die after an almost pre-determined amount of awake time across your lifetime. So basically, if you sleep less you will die sooner. Guess the 'I'll sleep when I'm dead' argument doesn't stack up.

Personally, I can't function on less than 7 hours regular per night. 8-9 is beter. Having a kid definitely sorts out your routine.
 
neonlights said:
I had read somewhere that humans die after an almost pre-determined amount of awake time across your lifetime. So basically, if you sleep less you will die sooner. Guess the 'I'll sleep when I'm dead' argument doesn't stack up.

Personally, I can't function on less than 7 hours regular per night. 8-9 is beter. Having a kid definitely sorts out your routine.
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Maybe so, but if you live till 90 and I live till 70 and slept twice as less as you, I'd still have lived more life and in better years.
 
kingofsp said:
I remember a friend of mine telling me not too long ago that science hasn't really proved that humans actually require sleep...or some crazy shit like that.

He smokes a lot of bud, though.
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Yes and no.
"Science" does not yet have an explanation as to why sleep is necessary. We know that there are different stages of sleep (usually classified as REM and N[on]-REM, but there are actually 4 phases), and that NREM sleep isn't vital. REM sleep is when dreams happen. The average human gets 3-8 REM cycles per night (in 6-12 hours of sleep), and rats deprived of REM sleep for more than 3 days often die or suffer psychological breaks.

It seems to be commonly agreed upon that NREM sleep is primarily "downtime" for the body to physically revitalize itself, whereas REM is the "creative" part of sleep, when your brain actually works faster than any other part of the day. If you don't require a full 8 hours of lying in bed to maintain your physical lifestyle (e.g. if you're not running and hunting and gathering berries like primitive man) all of that NREM is overkill, and you probably don't need to follow a traditional 8-hour monophasic sleep schedule.

Polyphasic sleep is based on the idea that NREM sleep is wasted time, and the fact that if you deprive yourself of sleep long enough, the body will accelerate the transition from a wakeful state into REM sleep (skipping NREM). By taking 20 minute naps every 4 hours, you can force your body to skip the usual 90 minute NREM "falling asleep" phase, and jump right into REM sleep for 20 minutes, then wake up feeling rested. If you do this 6 times a day, you'll be fine, but precision of timing and dedication to the schedule are really important.

All of that aside, like I said above, we still don't know why REM sleep is necessary. "Science" is still in search of substitutes or drugs that would reduce the need for REM sleep, and such drugs may still exist.
Philosophically speaking, I'd rather abolish just NREM sleep (by changing my sleep schedule) than take a drug that's designed to substitute my dreams.
 
kh1 said:
Maybe so, but if you live till 90 and I live till 70 and slept twice as less as you, I'd still have lived more life and in better years.
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LOL I like your thinking! Trouble is you don't wanna be dead at 60, right?

I think the main issue is that the heart really only has a finite number of beats per lifetime. It just wears out eventually. One of the reasons we sleep is to reduce the number of beats the heart has to tolerate. This is just a theory, of course.
 
Sometimes I wake up at 5 am which leaves me feeling like crap all day. Catching another half hour or so helps if I can fall asleep again, but my mind is constantly racing, making this almost impossible. Meditation helps calm the racing thoughts, and chilling with Budda has other benefits, such as lowering blood pressure. I have even read that regular meditation enhances psychic abilities.

Meditation is a form of mind control, and I find it's possible to shut off the constant tunes in my head because of meditation skill.
 
i'm curious to know what effects polyphasic sleep has on the production of hormones like HGH for example which is produced for the first 15 minutes of REM sleep. If you're sleeping only 30 minutes at a time, you may never reach the REM stage. probably why g3kk0 is having problems recovering from his workouts. maybe the solution there is to just inject HGH (and testosterone)!
 
I somehow managed to sleep for 20 hours last night/day. How the fuck do you do that?
 
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