Chinese Lawyer Condemns Communist Government, Gets Tortured And Killed
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everyone relax. the US tortures people, we all know that. But we do it less often and not as 'badly'. We even do it for different reasons. That makes us less evil. In fact, that makes us the good guys. Right?
All governments/armies/police have been staffed by humans... so every government have fucked over their own and others people.
Not until an actual Parakeet government is elected to power, will we be safe.
Not until an actual Parakeet government is elected to power, will we be safe.
They can't and won't prove it. Instead, They resort to reddit "grammer nazi" tactics. It's expected though so no big deal.
It's been proven to you already fucktard. Educate thyself! Simply read the links and quotes in this thread.
Why should I have to do all the heavy lifting for you? I and others have given you the facts. You're the one that continues to ignore them.
MKULTRA, Waco, and Tuskegee are examples. But bad ones because people saying the US does that are wrong.
Yes the US gov. tortures people, but not on a policy based on restricting free speak/religion. The US does it on a policy basis, but based on power struggle. There are also incidents of power abuse toward its own people as the examples above prove, but those power abuses are not part of the torture policy that is used on non-US people.
I'm against the US gov. torture, and it is the 'sam as China' in what they do, but not in how or why they do it.
Yes the US gov. tortures people, but not on a policy based on restricting free speak/religion. The US does it on a policy basis, but based on power struggle. There are also incidents of power abuse toward its own people as the examples above prove, but those power abuses are not part of the torture policy that is used on non-US people.
I'm against the US gov. torture, and it is the 'sam as China' in what they do, but not in how or why they do it.
+ rep fatbat,
Exercising plenary power with impunity in the black is the universal status quo of government. There is no allegiance to country. The three letter orgs love when people believe their lies. As for proof, and using this absolute power against our own citizens......they love to document that kinda stuff /s. Proof is found in what we don't have-de-centralized energy, stable free markets, alternative medicine. Go looking for the names of us citizens that have been silenced or are no longer, who threatened to introduce instability to a few, so the masses could experience stability, and you will start finding your proof.
Exercising plenary power with impunity in the black is the universal status quo of government. There is no allegiance to country. The three letter orgs love when people believe their lies. As for proof, and using this absolute power against our own citizens......they love to document that kinda stuff /s. Proof is found in what we don't have-de-centralized energy, stable free markets, alternative medicine. Go looking for the names of us citizens that have been silenced or are no longer, who threatened to introduce instability to a few, so the masses could experience stability, and you will start finding your proof.
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Originally Posted by popeye
Fuck I get sick of having to educate idiot hivemind children like yourself. Legally and by the Geneva Convention, we can hold enemy combatants in millitary custody untill the conflict/war that they were captured in is over.
Was going into Iraq all good with the Geneva Convention? I think fuckin not sir.
THIS...
incidentally how do you define when the war is over when you don't actually have a clearly defined enemy? A war on 'terrorism' isn't actually a war. It's an excuse to kill any fucker you feel like anywhere you want to because it's part of the war. If the 'war' continues until there's no more terrorism then it will never be over and your logic dictates that people could be held indefinitely. Trying to invoke the Geneva convention in this case is dumb because if the Geneva convention could talk it would likely tell you to get fucked.
Sorry but comparing the way our government treats our citizens compared to China only makes YOU look like a fucktard.
It's on par with the idiots on this board that compare Christian violence with Muslim violence. Your hivemind buddies have given three examples of U.S. violence against it's citizens (from the distant past) and one (Waco) is a matter of opinion. China and other countries persecute their citizens every single day for their religeous and political beliefs.
Sure the U.S. has fucked up in the past but we hold no candle to the communist or islamic governments that tourture, rape, sodimize and beat their citizens on a daily basis.
There is NO comparsion and you know it. You and other like you just like to jump on the hate-the-US bandwagon..cause hey, it's what all the cool kids are doing.
So what we have is a few totally brainwashed drones comparing the Chinese Communist Party's systematic, brutal policy of torture and extermination of Christians/Falun Gong members to a couple isolated, anomalous incidents of abuse of terrorist detainees.
The amount of propaganda that has been swallowed by these drones is beyond embarrassing. They've swallowed the garbage hook, line, and sinker. $1000 says they haven't bothered to do the research on the absolutely stunning numbers of Christians/Falun Gong practitioners that have been slaughtered in China the past 10 years ALONE simply for their BELIEFS. Things that we take for granted like freedom of speech and freedom of religion can literally get you KILLED over there. And it won't be a quick death, either - the horrific stories indicate these Communist animals make the process as slow and painful as possible. Revolting. If you ever wondered why I hate Marxists, here's a prime example.
For those that are actually interested in learning more about this genocide, ClearWisdom.net and ChinaAid.org are two great resources. I thought the Russians were brutal when it came to torture, but what I've learned about the Chinese Communists alone simply takes the cake. That place is hell on earth.
It would not only be wrong, but irresponsible to even CONSIDER the deluded ravings of a frothing-at-the-mouth loon like Fatbat, who is ever ready with anti-American propaganda, but CAN'T EVEN bring himself to look at the present day atrocities being committed against the Chinese Christians and Falun Gong members. Drones like him don't know what they're talking about, they simply regurgitate whatever anti-American propaganda they've been fed. The U.S. should cut all ties with the criminal regime in China and demand the UN arrest the CCP leaders for genocide against their own people. Until then, nothing less should satisfy those of us who enjoy the benefits of a free society while others are brutally beaten and murdered for daring to speak out.
The amount of propaganda that has been swallowed by these drones is beyond embarrassing. They've swallowed the garbage hook, line, and sinker. $1000 says they haven't bothered to do the research on the absolutely stunning numbers of Christians/Falun Gong practitioners that have been slaughtered in China the past 10 years ALONE simply for their BELIEFS. Things that we take for granted like freedom of speech and freedom of religion can literally get you KILLED over there. And it won't be a quick death, either - the horrific stories indicate these Communist animals make the process as slow and painful as possible. Revolting. If you ever wondered why I hate Marxists, here's a prime example.
For those that are actually interested in learning more about this genocide, ClearWisdom.net and ChinaAid.org are two great resources. I thought the Russians were brutal when it came to torture, but what I've learned about the Chinese Communists alone simply takes the cake. That place is hell on earth.
It would not only be wrong, but irresponsible to even CONSIDER the deluded ravings of a frothing-at-the-mouth loon like Fatbat, who is ever ready with anti-American propaganda, but CAN'T EVEN bring himself to look at the present day atrocities being committed against the Chinese Christians and Falun Gong members. Drones like him don't know what they're talking about, they simply regurgitate whatever anti-American propaganda they've been fed. The U.S. should cut all ties with the criminal regime in China and demand the UN arrest the CCP leaders for genocide against their own people. Until then, nothing less should satisfy those of us who enjoy the benefits of a free society while others are brutally beaten and murdered for daring to speak out.
Hey, thanks for presuming what I can and can't look at, have or haven't looked at, and for putting words in my mouth. No where did I condone what the Chinese do. All I said was look to yourselves and clean up your own act before you go criticizing others.
Unfortunately you've all proven that you're cool with torturing people if it's to your benefit. I'm sure the Chinese feel the same way about ridding themselves of those uppity Christians and cult members too.
You talk about Chinese atrocities and genocide, but you don't speak out about the murder of at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians (a number which may in fact be many times greater) nor the ongoing murder of innocents in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But hey! Those aren't your people, just some dirty rag heads in a far away place, so it's cool the kill them. "collateral damage"... "caught in the crossfire"... "unfortunate casualties of war".
Instead you keep parroting "show us where Americans are torturing Americans!" or "what the US does isn't NEARLY as bad as what the Chinese do" or "the Chinese are 1000x worse than us". You clearly don't get it. The United States does, and has over the years, engage in systematic and brutal torture and genocide all over the world, either themselves, or by backing regimes that do the dirty work for them. That they don't openly do it to their own people inside their own borders is a moot point. Torture is torture. Murder is murder.
You know that something like 1/3rd of the world's nations employ torture, including the US? Many of whom have signed treaties agreeing not to torture, including the US? Many of whom are members of the UN and allies and trading partners with the US? The US openly trades with China, and only occasionally murmurs the words "we call on China to clean up their human rights violations".
The United States engages in Torture by Proxy by sending its agents to foreign countries to train in methods of interrogation and torture and then sends people to these countries to be tortured so they can supposedly keep their hands clean. One has to wonder how they perfected such methods but I guess it's better if we just don't talk about it.
The "war on terror" is just a convenient label to let the US government do what they want, when they want, to whomever the want. If you're declared an enemy of the State, the US will pretty much do whatever they want to you, even if you are innocent of having done nothing at all.
So the Chinese have declared Falun Gong and Christians enemies of the state. Brutal? Yes. "Worse than the US?". Yes. Is it a whole lot different? No. The US openly condones torturing and killing people if the ends justify the means. So get over yourselves.
It IS a whole lot different. The Chinese are torturing people for their beliefs, and nothing more. They haven't done anything "wrong", other than to not agree with the govt.
I couldn't care less about what the US does to terrorists they are trying to gather intel from. Like I said before: If I caught someone in my house, trying to kill me, and they knew others were coming shortly, I'd do whatever it took to get that info from them.
Torturing someone who would behead you, every member of your family, and every friend of yours if they had the chance, and torturing someone simply for their beliefs is a WHOLE lot different. Absolutely, 100%. If you can't see that, it's because you are simply blinded by the "anti American" biased that, as Popeye said, is the cool thing to do these days.
You're an idiot and either can't read or can't comprehend what you've read.
Just to be clear, opposing US domestic and foreign policy isn't "anti American". You don't have to blindly support your government and its actions to be considered a Patriot. Both the OP and Popeye should be good proof of that.
Now, let's just go back over what I said and compare it to your response.
Do you think that every person the US has tortured and killed or played a part in torturing and killing was an Islamic fundamentalist bent on beheading your family and friends?
Think about it for awhile, no need to rush to another knee jerk response.
Fatbat;760017 Now said:
Absolutely not. I've already stated so in a previous post.
No society will EVER be perfect, EVER.
But to compare the US to China and their policies is ABSOLUTELY CRAZY. The only way someone can rationally do so is to have extreme anti American bias running through their veins.