Listening to a limey talk about rifles is like listening to a virgin discuss sex.
Looks like America WILL have National Health Care after tonight
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Listening to a limey talk about rifles is like listening to a virgin discuss sex.
Listening to an American talk about living in a truly free society is like listening to a retard, that is all.
WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT
* Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.
* Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
* Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
* Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
* A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
* Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
* A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
* A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1. WHAT HAPPENS IN 2011
* Medicare provides 10 percent bonus payments to primary care physicians and general surgeons.
* Medicare beneficiaries will be able to get a free annual wellness visit and personalized prevention plan service. New health plans will be required to cover preventive services with little or no cost to patients.
* A new program under the Medicaid plan for the poor goes into effect in October that allows states to offer home and community based care for the disabled that might otherwise require institutional care.
* Payments to insurers offering Medicare Advantage services are frozen at 2010 levels. These payments are to be gradually reduced to bring them more in line with traditional Medicare.
* Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.
* An annual fee is imposed on pharmaceutical companies according to market share. The fee does not apply to companies with sales of $5 million or less.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2012
* Physician payment reforms are implemented in Medicare to enhance primary care services and encourage doctors to form "accountable care organizations" to improve quality and efficiency of care.
* An incentive program is established in Medicare for acute care hospitals to improve quality outcomes.
* The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees the government programs, begin tracking hospital readmission rates and puts in place financial incentives to reduce preventable re-admissions. WHAT HAPPENS IN 2013
* A national pilot program is established for Medicare on payment bundling to encourage doctors, hospitals and other care providers to better coordinate patient care.
* The threshold for claiming medical expenses on itemized tax returns is raised to 10 percent from 7.5 percent of income. The threshold remains at 7.5 percent for the elderly through 2016.
* The Medicare payroll tax is raised to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000. The tax is imposed on some investment income for that income group.
* A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices. Anything generally purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014
* State health insurance exchanges for small businesses and individuals open.
* Most people will be required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fine if they don't. Healthcare tax credits become available to help people with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty purchase coverage on the exchange.
* Health plans no longer can exclude people from coverage due to pre-existing conditions.
* Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange. The first 30 employees aren't counted for the fine.
* Health insurance companies begin paying a fee based on their market share.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2015
* Medicare creates a physician payment program aimed at rewarding quality of care rather than volume of services.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2018
* An excise tax on high cost employer-provided plans is imposed. The first $27,500 of a family plan and $10,200 for individual coverage is exempt from the tax. Higher levels are set for plans covering retirees and people in high risk professions.
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* Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.
* Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
* Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
* Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
* A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
* Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
* A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
* A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1. WHAT HAPPENS IN 2011
* Medicare provides 10 percent bonus payments to primary care physicians and general surgeons.
* Medicare beneficiaries will be able to get a free annual wellness visit and personalized prevention plan service. New health plans will be required to cover preventive services with little or no cost to patients.
* A new program under the Medicaid plan for the poor goes into effect in October that allows states to offer home and community based care for the disabled that might otherwise require institutional care.
* Payments to insurers offering Medicare Advantage services are frozen at 2010 levels. These payments are to be gradually reduced to bring them more in line with traditional Medicare.
* Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.
* An annual fee is imposed on pharmaceutical companies according to market share. The fee does not apply to companies with sales of $5 million or less.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2012
* Physician payment reforms are implemented in Medicare to enhance primary care services and encourage doctors to form "accountable care organizations" to improve quality and efficiency of care.
* An incentive program is established in Medicare for acute care hospitals to improve quality outcomes.
* The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees the government programs, begin tracking hospital readmission rates and puts in place financial incentives to reduce preventable re-admissions. WHAT HAPPENS IN 2013
* A national pilot program is established for Medicare on payment bundling to encourage doctors, hospitals and other care providers to better coordinate patient care.
* The threshold for claiming medical expenses on itemized tax returns is raised to 10 percent from 7.5 percent of income. The threshold remains at 7.5 percent for the elderly through 2016.
* The Medicare payroll tax is raised to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000. The tax is imposed on some investment income for that income group.
* A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices. Anything generally purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014
* State health insurance exchanges for small businesses and individuals open.
* Most people will be required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fine if they don't. Healthcare tax credits become available to help people with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty purchase coverage on the exchange.
* Health plans no longer can exclude people from coverage due to pre-existing conditions.
* Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange. The first 30 employees aren't counted for the fine.
* Health insurance companies begin paying a fee based on their market share.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2015
* Medicare creates a physician payment program aimed at rewarding quality of care rather than volume of services.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2018
* An excise tax on high cost employer-provided plans is imposed. The first $27,500 of a family plan and $10,200 for individual coverage is exempt from the tax. Higher levels are set for plans covering retirees and people in high risk professions.
END.
My advice to you is to get your ass back to school so you can educate yourself about your own country's history before you consider bashing mine.
I can live w/ that. Us retards may not win the race, but we still get a hug from the blond w/ big boobs at the end.
This coming from the country that just banned a talk radio host because of his words? The one that lets terrorists stay there in return for no attacks? The one that's busy signing its sovereignty away to Europe? The one that puts limits on freedom of speech? The one with like a million CCTV cameras that never seem to work? The one whose dental system is a global punchline? The one that's overrun by Muslims and increasingly bowing to sharia law? The one whose medical market is not free at all?
Yeah, you live in an awesome country. Go freedom.
Too watered down? Meaning what, that it didn't go far enough to tell freedom to STFU and take this ass raping in stride?
So, when the democrats complete their mass suicide in November, I'm guessing we won't be hearing any crying from the left about their voices not being heard? At the end of the day, a majority of politicians didn't want this bill to pass, and a majority of citizens didn't want it to pass. The fucked up reality of it is, it didn't matter because the politicians on the left are not voting the will of their consituants, they are voting for what the bully leadership told them to vote for.
Those that tried to stand up and vote for what their consituents wanted, got paid off BIG TIME. Louisiana Purchase, and the cornhusker kickback were only the tip of the iceburg. Out of one side of his mouth Obama said there would be no public option, out of the other side of his mouth he got votes by promising that there would be one.
So, which is it?
How could Americans be informed about the bill? They were afraid to let us see it. It went from being promised that the debates and proceedings would be aired live on CSPAN to being back room partisan deal making. The politicians on the left have admitted repeatedly that they didn't know what was in the bill nor did they have time or the motivation to read it.
Says who? Talk about misinformed! I'm currently getting taxed at almost 40% which will now surely rise with the additional tax that will be levied on me for this great bill. Not only that, but if I decide that I want my family to have an above average health care plan (cadillac), I'll be taxed even more. Heaven forbid that I make enough money to purchase a health plan that everyone else can't afford. It's down right retarded!
Well hell, do profits and making sure people have a roof over their head mix well? Why not do mortgage reform to make sure all the losers of society can have 4 bedroom homes with inground pools too. Does eating and profit mix well? Why not just have everyone pay into a money pool and then everyone can be issued food credits at the beginning of the month to make sure everyone is on a level plaing field?
People that can't afford insurance already get insurance. It's called medicaid. Every time that I take my son to his pediatrician, there is a room full of hood-rats that remind me of that fact. Usually they are the ones bitching about having to take the time to renew their paper work for their free insurance, or complaining about the fact that their government issued cell phone minutes have run out and it's not fair that they don't have an "unlimited plan".
Then I watch them leave the doctors office, jump up into their fairly new SUV, and more than likely drive off to their subsidized housing. How much more should the haves have to give to the have nots? It's fucking ridiculous.
Every single child in this country should have comprehensive insurance, at least in my opinion. However, when you get to be an adult, you should either find a way to pay for your own, or do without.
If it is so much better in other countries, the people that want to live like that should move there. Nobody is making them stay here. Doctors pay a shit load of money to get medical degrees, drug companies spend millions developing drugs, why shouldn't they make a shit load of profits?
Department stores like Wal-Mart are rolling around in money selling groceries and other necessities, should the government step in and take over the food industry too? Clothing companies are cleaning up, should we have "clothing reform" to make sure that everone can wear the same name brand clothes?
Maybe some of the people on the left that are really gung-ho about this cause should get their medical degrees, and practice medicine for free or at a heavily discounted rate, since it is such a poplular cause and they seem to appear so strongly about it. How in the world could anone ever think that the answer is to change the way that everyone handles their health care, and to increase the tax burden on a whole society to make the lives of a certain percentage better?
This bill is a stepping stone to making it acceptable for the government to take over pretty much anything they want. In 25 years from now, people will look back and point to this as "when it all started"
Everyone needs to eat too, we all need clothes, we all need cleaning supplies, should all of those things be relegated by the government too? I think you are confusing "the right thing to do" with "what has to be done".
In a poll that was done the other day, I think it said that 60% of doctors are going to seriously consider leaving medicine all together. What is their benefit for staying in it if the government is essentially going to tell them how much money then can make, and who they have to treat?
There is no doubt that medical care is a necessity, and there is no doubt that at some point everyone will need it. However, there are already programs in place to provide for that need. Medicaid, free clinics, etc. Doctors are not going to shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars for an education, only to be told that they can no longer expect to be rewarded by earning a shit load of money, and be lucky to break even on their school loans for several years to come.
Nobody, regardless of who they are, is going to be free from illness regardless of what health care plan is in place. Illness happens. If they wanted to make health care reform more affordable, they could have given doctors tax cuts, tort reform, and other incentives to reduce the cost of care. They could have done the same with insurance companies as well. Instead, they decided that the best way to go was to find another way to take our free will and to intrude on our freedom as a whole.
So, the way it stands, the people that don't want to live the dream will get the dream. Those of us that work for the dream will have to finance theirs. Soon it will be "housing reform" where lower income families will suddenly have the right to be my neighbor, and I'll be paying a percentage of their mortage, because it's the "right thing to do". IT'S RIDICULOUS.
Those of you that are chastizing us for not agreeing with health care reform have somehow convinced yourself that we don't care whether people live or die because they don't have health insurance, which isn't the case. We were just kind of hoping that it could be done without being taxed yet again to hold up the lower end of the financial society, or being penalized for actually having more than them.
All through my life growing up, I was told to do well in school, to work hard, and that I would get the things I wanted. I'd imagine everyone was told the same thing. Not surprisingly, only a certain percentage of people actually do it. Now that it is all said and done, it almost makes more sense not to do it. By being on the lower end of the spectrum and just going with the flow, I woulc have gotten:
Free health insurance
Food Stamps
Free or reduced housing
Free daycare
Free formula for my children
WIC (free milk, cheese, peanut butter, cerael, juice, etc)
There is a huge number of people getting everything that I listed above. So, in reality, they are getting thousands of dollars a month in benefits, for essentially doing nothing. Some states have even gone as far as saying that forcing these people to attend work training, school, or taking drug tests, is violating their rights. I ask, violating their right of what? To be fucking dead beats?
Mark my words, it won't be long until we have NO FREEDOMS and NO RIGHTS to be individuals or to be responsible for ourselves, it will all be about how can we make it equal for everyone. While some of you see this whole thing as much to do about nothing, when the whole hammer gets dropped, you will be singing a different tune.
You would really want to change shoes with someone who qualifies for what you have above.
And if you have a problem with fucking WIC you are SICK IN THE FUCKING HEAD.
Yea fucking food for children who are broke to no fault of there own is the end all.
You make me fucking sick.
The number was more around 30% and that poll was done by a medical recruitment company. Their press release about the poll was almost like an ad about how their services are going to become more important.
A New England Journal of Medicine poll found 73% of doctors wanting a public option.
Most U.S. doctors want public-private mix: poll | Reuters
I don't have a problem with WIC or pretty much anything in that list. I've said repeatedly through this thread that I personally believe that children, regardless of who they are born to should have EVERYTHING that they need.
I just don't agree with the way that the politicians, republicans and democrats go about accomplishing the programs. I disagree with the fact that the majority gets ass raped to accomplish socially beneficial programs that could be enacted and accomplished in ways other than picking certain classes of society and putting the burden squarely on their shoulders, and then telling them that it is their patriotic duty to do so.
There has to be a line somewhere, a line that says "you should do this, here's why" and then gives us the option of programs to help fund through voluntary donations. It's been proven time and time again, that when presented with problems, the american population as a whole rises to the occasion and is more generous than pretty much any other population in the world.
Look at the amount of money that came out of this country to flood Haiti with relief. Do you doubt for one second that if George Clooney did a telethon to raise money for starving kids here in this country that the donations wouldn't flood in?
The sad fact is, we don't have to raise funds like that because it is too easy for the government to say "hey shit heads, you have to give us X amount of dollars per tax year to do this, we don't give a fuck if you want to or not. If you don't we will just fine the shit out of you, after we audit the bejeezus out of you, on top of the substantial fine you will get for not just doing what we say"
When given the choice to do the right thing, as a rule, the American people do. When forced to do it, as a rule, we get pissed off.
Read this post over on reddit, and the one a couple of posts down: trollmaster5000 comments on The health bill has PASSED!
Sorry if I can't muster a lot of sympathy for you and the extra percent or so you might pay in tax.
You obviously have never had to live like that. You simply have no idea what it's really like. Consider yourself fortunate.
Utter bullshit. Tell that to any Brit, Canadian, Australian, European - they'll laugh right in your face. You live in a paranoid fantasy world that's being spoon fed to you by loud-mouthed right wing talking heads.
YOU make me sick, you fucking Nazi. You fucking thief. You steal other people's money and then call yourself generous. You steal other people's money and then call yourself compassionate. You're probably one of the broke-ass, unemployed losers that's waiting for his share of the loot. Well, saddle up, you Nazi - your Marxist-In-Chief Obama just stole a whole lot more money from the hardworking people of America and if you're one of the losers who elected him, I'm sure you'll be getting some of that real soon. Get the fuck out of here with your fake compassion and generosity, you bum. How the fuck could you be generous when you don't have a dime to your fucking name?
As for this moron:
You are so blindingly stupid you deserve what's coming.
What is coming, oh wise prognosticator? Oh right, health care for everyone. Just like they have in every other developed country. I don't see them turning into... whatever it is you're afraid of. They actually seem like pretty nice places to live. Why would it be any different here?
