Looks like America WILL have National Health Care after tonight
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Cuccinelli readies health reform suit - Roanoke.com
The instant the law is signed, VA Attorney General is filing suit against it. VA and ID now have laws saying any kind of purchase mandates from the Feds do not apply to them, and it's illegal to try and enforce mandates on their residents. We'll see how this turns out.
The instant the law is signed, VA Attorney General is filing suit against it. VA and ID now have laws saying any kind of purchase mandates from the Feds do not apply to them, and it's illegal to try and enforce mandates on their residents. We'll see how this turns out.
Some of the people in that group will end having emergency room visits and such that they can't individually afford, which then raises costs for people in the system. So those people are being forced to collectively pool money together to cover for when they individually have problems. They're also being forced to help pay for insurance companies lobbying efforts and CEOs trip to the Bahamas.
Eh, that's how the system CURRENTLY operates... That still doesn't answer my question, which is how does forcing private health insurance on individuals help/have anything to do with/ those that qualify for the "medicare" gov option?
Why not just have the $200k individuals / $250k households pay for the 30+ million uninsured that they want insured under this bill? I'm just not getting why they need to force those that don't qualify for the medicare option to get private health insurance.
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You are calling me broke but u made a post bitching about not wanting to pay fucking DOMAIN REGISTRATION FEES.
If you couldnt afford a fucking domain in 2008 , what hope do you have now?
If you don't mind me asking how old are you? because it seems u are one of those steve w. fagits from WF.
I even saw you defended him in one of your posts.
Are you steve?
@ dreamache - Several months back, you might remember that the health insurance industry released a report rejecting the reform measures posed at the time. Their reason: it did not force a large enough portion of the uninsured to buy private insurance.
An article in Time.com (don't have the link) explained the insurers' collective position. Specifically, it was based on their need for a larger pool of young people who are statistically less likely to use health care services to pay for insurance they would not use. It was essentially a way to subsidize the cost for older insured people.
In other words, the goal (at least, for the insurers i.e. special interests) had little to do with helping the uninsured. Rather, the uninsured represented a segment of the populace upon whom their product could be forced.
I may have completely misunderstood your question (I'm mentally pooped). If so, sorry.
Not to poke in the middle of things, but imo america started to go down hill in 1913 when the US gave it's founding fathers the finger and re-established the central banking system. lol
Although to go back to the point, is there anywhere that I can read up on some of the summary points as to what is involved in this new legislation? We don't really get any info about this sort of stuff that's happening in the US over here in Australia.
They're currently in the process of trying to reform our health system here as well, and I have a sneaking feeling it's a similar change - all of which they're doing their hardest to keep as hush hush and glossied over from the public as possible.
It seems that both Australia and USA have brought in over-hyped leaders who have done a total of jack and squat for the country, but still managed to hold an unfathomable number of press conferences.
why did this thread turn into a rant about europe. IMO that one post about victorian England just shows that you people have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when it comes to europe. Most of what you hear is probably just being used by one or other side of the argument (whatever argument that may be) against national healthcare for national healthcare against socialism etc and its all bullshit.
The money needed for those on medicare at least partly has to do with rates set by hospitals. The hospitals can't refuse people and raise rates the more visits they get by those that can't pay or don't have insurance. Everyone forced onto some type of plan lets hospitals immediately forward the bills onto those in charge of the plan.
And yes, the insurance companies are happy because they realize that a lot of the uninsured are younger, healthy people that will now be forced to help pay.
US health care reform bill: the facts - Telegraph
Glancing at the wikipedia on Australia's health system, it looks like they already have universal coverage that is mostly paid by the government. This would already be more "radical" than what the US system is going to become.
ok, I need to stop wasting time posting about health care crap
problems: Many areas have private companies providing power, and largely at a cheaper rate than public utilities. I went from a private -> public and my utility rates went from 7c/kWh, to 14c/kWh.
My "municipal" water in my original town, was actually a privately managed company in a public partnership with the city.
FCC regulated channels are bullshit, and the FCC frequently oversteps its bounds.
Private weather satellites do in fact exist as well.
The FDA has had routine fuckups - look up Vioxx, Phenphen, or the numerous food recalls.
DOT roads should be state supported, or done by private road companies; and the feds routinely strongarm states, i.e. with Alcohol age laws and other threats of highway funding.
For many of these government monopolies as well, there's been no examples of market solutions because the government bans free market solutions to these.
Want a good example of the market self-regulating? Underwriters Labs. How about a private, NGO that sets standards? ISO and IEEE.
Please don't say stupid things like this unless you're going to back them up with evidence about how our society is any less free than yours.
I stopped debating logic with these yankfags long time ago dude. They have never been out of their country and don't know that a world exists out of it... so don't stay such blasphemous things to them or their illusion may burst.
Have any of you talked to your doctors or friends that are physicians. So far it seems many will leave (or already left) hospitals and going into private practice because of this.
One doctor can treat several hundred to a thousand people. The impact of a community losing even one physician is devastating. Provided that it takes several years to produce a doctor, by the time this plan rolls out fully the industry will not be prepared for the influx of new patients.
Just mentioning another side of this that seems skipped over by most places.
Aside from that...
Generally, there is no such thing as st@te sovereignty as most believe it to be. Read your own "st@te" info for that. Even then you still need to have your affairs in order.
Implied contracts are used all the time. They are only voided if you stand on your right, fight and assert it as a fraud at the proper time. Even then something can go wrong. What is on the books only matters when you bring it up.
Because even the books say your rights are yours only, and no one is going to protect them for you, if you are not willing to do whatever is required to defend and keep them...you won't.
And that more often than not requires sacrificing yourself.
Finally, you do not have to do anything you do not want to do. You just have to be willing to deal with the consequences of those actions. Because if you believe the pain of penalty is worse than whatever your complaining about, guess what? You will accept it. Not accept as in shutting up about it, but acceptance through compliance. And is all that is needed, because talk is cheap.
Lots of info both good and bad in this thread. Personal attacks stiffle the opportunity for potential solutions, but provide great lolz, thanks for the read so far.
Besides being mad about it or happy about it, what are some ways to address it? Do you think there might be some funds or portfolios appearing in the future to address this. Maybe some investment strategies to offset the costs?
One doctor can treat several hundred to a thousand people. The impact of a community losing even one physician is devastating. Provided that it takes several years to produce a doctor, by the time this plan rolls out fully the industry will not be prepared for the influx of new patients.
Just mentioning another side of this that seems skipped over by most places.
Aside from that...
Generally, there is no such thing as st@te sovereignty as most believe it to be. Read your own "st@te" info for that. Even then you still need to have your affairs in order.
Implied contracts are used all the time. They are only voided if you stand on your right, fight and assert it as a fraud at the proper time. Even then something can go wrong. What is on the books only matters when you bring it up.
Because even the books say your rights are yours only, and no one is going to protect them for you, if you are not willing to do whatever is required to defend and keep them...you won't.
And that more often than not requires sacrificing yourself.
Finally, you do not have to do anything you do not want to do. You just have to be willing to deal with the consequences of those actions. Because if you believe the pain of penalty is worse than whatever your complaining about, guess what? You will accept it. Not accept as in shutting up about it, but acceptance through compliance. And is all that is needed, because talk is cheap.
Lots of info both good and bad in this thread. Personal attacks stiffle the opportunity for potential solutions, but provide great lolz, thanks for the read so far.
Besides being mad about it or happy about it, what are some ways to address it? Do you think there might be some funds or portfolios appearing in the future to address this. Maybe some investment strategies to offset the costs?
Hey douchebag: If you feel like exposing your e-penis, please start a new thread. As a fellow Dodger fan I'm starting to become extremely embarrassed by your ignorance and overall douchebaggery.
Keep it up and you'll be on the top of my list for the April ban.
While you're at it, you might study up on economics (specifically supply-side) before you rant at how much you hate rich business owners.
I stopped debating logic with these yankfags long time ago dude. They have never been out of their country and don't know that a world exists out of it... so don't stay such blasphemous things to them or their illusion may burst.
I don't know what's worse: being Eurotrash or just wishing you were!