To insure myself which i am young, don't smoke tobacco, and is completely healthy is 1,228.20 a month that doesn't include deductibles and co payments and medication. they even wanna charge me 500 dollars for a surgery or a emergency room visit...... your 100 dollars a month plan probably only covers the bare minimum and there is a cap at like 500,000 or 1 million if you do have a major emergency.
Not have health insurance? Don't expect a tax refund.
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To insure myself which i am young, don't smoke tobacco, and is completely healthy is 1,228.20 a month that doesn't include deductibles and co payments and medication. they even wanna charge me 500 dollars for a surgery or a emergency room visit...... your 100 dollars a month plan probably only covers the bare minimum and there is a cap at like 500,000 or 1 million if you do have a major emergency.
I agree. Most of us have health insurance. And we whine because people who are not covered are clogging up ER's.
Last time I had to take my daughter to the ER because she broke her hand, I saw pregnant women moaning who showed up for their deliveries, drunks who cut their hands, and people who could have just gone to a doctor or urgent care if they had insurance, etc. It was gross.
I was afraid to leave my daughter to go to the bathroom because I didn't want to leave her alone in that mess. And this is a nice suburban hosptial. We sat there for 6 hours to get treated too.
I am so glad they have these private ER centers now, so that those of us with insurance can go there, not have to wait 6 hours, etc. When my son broke his arm, we went to one of these - and were in and out in an hour. Insurnce is cool.
Besides if they are going to have to accept everybody, HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES WANT MANDATORY COVERAGE so they can spread the risk over as many people as possible. Do some research before you start blaming Obama or whatever.
You same people who complain about mandatory health insurance are the first to complain about the uninsured clogging up facilities.
Now you've got me on a rant.
Why don't you complain about mandatory seatbelt laws in your state, or the fact every state requires min. liability car insurance?
Wahhh. The governement is forcing me to buckle up? They want me to survive. The government is forcing me to buy auto insurance or they will give me a big fine and a ticket! They want me to be financially responsible.
Hey go ahead and be a rebel.
Why don't you complain about mandatory seatbelt laws in your state, or the fact every state requires min. liability car insurance?
Wahhh. The governement is forcing me to buckle up? They want me to survive. The government is forcing me to buy auto insurance or they will give me a big fine and a ticket! They want me to be financially responsible.
Hey go ahead and be a rebel.
I would think someone who proudly calls them self a senior citizen would at least have the common sense and wisdom that goes along with senior citizenry so I took the liberty of fixing part of your rant for you.
What??? That's INSANE! You can get a good plan, with a cap around 2.5-5 million or so (and aren't those caps going to disappear anyway), for $150 (give or take) per month at eHealthInsurance.com. Outpatient surgery is a $300 or so deductible, ER visits and urgent care are $50-$75. Primary Care and specialist visits are $20. Yearly out of pocket max around $5k.
Of course this will all vary depending on your age & health. But it's a heck of a lot cheaper than the $1,228 PER MONTH that you mention.
This statement pretty much sums up the entire political debate here on WF.
It constantly frustrates me when EU types constantly ridicule Americans. They're always like "hey, don't you want health care for everyone FOR FREE? You guys suck, rednecks, etc, etc". My rebuttal is always something along the lines of "you didn't grow up here so you don't really get it about the freedoms, etc.....".
It's tiresome. You do it your way and we'll do it ours. Your way is not better for us.
I'm glad someone finally admitted they don't understand the constitution. It's really appreciated to assist in getting others to know there is a difference.
Well I completely owned you on the freedom debate so lets not start that again.
I just don't understand why a country would restrict themselves by a document written ages ago, that needs to be interpreted by an unelected body that acts in its own interest (campaign finance)
You've seriously NEVER thought that there might be disadvantages with having an rock solid immovable constitution? Is it because you had to pledge to it every day like the fucking Nazis kids did to Hitler?
Jesus christ
Yeah, and the guys who wrote the constitution used to own slaves and force them to have sex with them too.
If you want the privilege to visit an ER, you should have health insurance. Obvously, we cannot expect everybody to be financially responsible without some consequences.
Try researching a keyword like "health insurance if already pregnant." Right now, most of those ladies are just relying upon governemnt programs like Medicaid or CHIPS. What is so bad about getting them to kick in some of the tab before hand?
Insurance can't work if 1/3 of the people want to wait until they are already sick (or pregnant or whatever) to buy coverage.
Exactly.
The mere fact that the US constitution co-existed with slavery just proves its uselessness.
It only works when it is interpreted in the right way by the supreme court (which I will say again is unelected). So if the constitution relies fully on interpretation, why have it? Why put so much power into the hands of the supreme court?
Please don't say that it doesn't matter that justices are not elected because they always stick to the constitution. Judicial activism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Where's my right to not fund your emergency surgery if you're uninsured and bleeding out in a hospital waiting room because you exercised your "freedom of choice?"
As for the tax refund issue: GOOD
Here is the deal with the U.S. Constitution. It provides for and defends the following...
1. Voluntary contracts
The U.S. Constitution protects my right to choose agreements of voluntary exchange. It also protects me from being forced into agreements of exchange.
2. Currency free from manipulation
The U.S. Constitution protects the currency from being inflated arbitrarily. By backing it with a market commodity, the state cannot simply print green-colored IOUs.
3. Private property
The U.S. Constitution protects my right to own property free from coercive appropriation.
I will not debate these points on a forum. Doing so rarely yields a return that is acceptable to me. That said, I thought it might be useful to offer the most salient points.
As an addendum, an ancap structure in which voluntary contracts and private property are protected would likely preclude the need for a broad-reaching constitution. In fact, some - for example, Hans Hermann Hoppe - have long argued the U.S. Constitution perpetuates the problem of taxation and legislation that were manifest under an unelected king.
I do not expect to change anyone's mind regarding the importance of voluntary contracts and private property for ensuring liberty and prosperity. However, a link to Hoppe is never without value.
This is all just theory and in practice is clearly irrelevant.
You don't need a constitution to ensure any of this, and the constitution clearly relies on the executive, the legislature and the judiciary to uphold it otherwise how would Obama be able to get away with what he is doing now?
No MEDCs, with or without constitution, simply prints off green IOUs without thought anyway, and I bet if the supreme court and Obama and congress were up for it they could do it anyway, just like in any country.
Protecting property rights? Income tax? healthcare? How far do you think those with power could push if they wanted too, regardless of the constitution.
Just look at the supreme court. Their interpretation stands, even if it completely contradicts what's written.
So I ask again. What's the point?
You owned nothing in that no point was ever made by you that held any merit. You're a toothless Brit and mean zilch to me honestly. I was actually praising you for admitting the fact that you do not understand the Constitution but proceeded to degrade our founding document in follow-up posts.
Thanks so much for reinforcing my former opinion of you.
Now you're just starting to sound like the brain-dead inbred I thought you to be. That rock solid immovable document is the only thing standing in the way of being forced to pledge to Obama like the Nazis kids did to Hitler.