Burn the Qu'ran Day

The idea of Sharia law just taking over is bout as silly as :

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Needless to say, it would be far more likely for our legal system to go the way of christian extremism given how they dominate the country currently over any other radical group that may be living here, to which case they'd like to see homosexuality as punishable by death the same way Iran does, among a few other religiously inspired laws they'd like to propose.
 


kblessinggr said:
The idea of Sharia law just taking over is bout as silly as :

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Needless to say, it would be far more likely for our legal system to go the way of christian extremism given how they dominate the country currently over any other radical group that may be living here, to which case they'd like to see homosexuality as punishable by death the same way Iran does, among a few other religiously inspired laws they'd like to propose.
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We must be vary scarrred of Iran at this point they just created :

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This fucking thing will go 500 miles and vibrate at the same time.
 
WickedJoe said:
Your grasping for straws with the "hewn down" phrase. You didn't even quote it right.. it doesn't say shit about unbelievers. You should look that one up and see what it really means.

But I'm not going to sit around defending JC all day. From what I've read and seen JC was as peaceful as they come, JC's followers are usually the pricks.

Comparing JC to a Warlord who personally beheaded 500-800 people is just foolish.
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Well let's take a look at it, then. From the book of Luke:

3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

I would say that Jesus is using what's known as a metaphor. The good trees will be taken care of by Jesus/god, while the bad trees that don't produce "good fruit" (whatever god approves of) will be hewn down and cast into the fire.

Here's another metaphor for you, also from Luke:

3:17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

Care to guess who the wheat is and who the chaff is?

Oh, and he had this to say about what he intended:

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
 
jdomaha said:
Yes, I have..

blah blah blah meaningless credentialism...
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Then prove that Jesus openly and explicitly advocated violence. Forget whether or not it's "more" than the Koran does. Try and prove that he explicitly advocated violence.
 
"Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love...Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the white man, but to win his friendship and understanding." - Martin Luther King, 1958
 
hellblazer said:
Then prove that Jesus openly and explicitly advocated violence. Forget whether or not it's "more" than the Koran does. Try and prove that he explicitly advocated violence.
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Seems some people don't understand that the bible, much like any story progresses from beginning to end, for example an 'eye for an eye' which is still quite valid in Judaism was nullifies with 'turn the other cheek' when Jesus came along. But some people tend to treat every word of the holy scripture as law to be followed, so they'll use the eye for an eye verse to justify even though its been nullified in later teaching. The bible is full of contradictions if you want to look at the whole thing as a single inalienable truth that must be applied all at once. I haven't read the Qu'ran, but perhaps the same applies there?
 
sp33dy said:
"Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love...Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the white man, but to win his friendship and understanding." - Martin Luther King, 1958
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"Evil begets evil, Mr. President. Shooting will only make it stronger. "
Priest Vito Cornelius
 
hellblazer said:
Then prove that Jesus openly and explicitly advocated violence. Forget whether or not it's "more" than the Koran does. Try and prove that he explicitly advocated violence.
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Sure thing:

The setup:
Matthew, Chapter 10 is pretty good at this. Jesus gets into kind of a tirade after smoking peyote:

10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

How about kids who curse their parents? As you well know, not honoring your mother and father is right up there with murdering, which is also up there with coveting. Did Jesus maybe say that kids who curse their parents should be put to death? Maybe? Well, yeah! In Mark:

7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

And there are many, many instances where Jesus threatens "eternal torment" to those who don't follow him. That sounds like advocating violence to me. If you don't believe me, I'll chain you in my basement and feed you nothing but rice pudding for decades.

Now, this is just after going over the published gospels. This isn't counting the books that were also written and censored or "lost," by the early church.
 
jdomaha said:
Well let's take a look at it, then. From the book of Luke:

3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

I would say that Jesus is using what's known as a metaphor.
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jdomaha said:
Yes, I have. In fact, I've attended Biola for a semester or two while my dad was getting his doctorate of divinity. Have you?
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You should have skipped divinity and taken reading comprehension, you quoted John the Baptist not Jesus Christ.

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Edit: gotta question a thread's relevance when the agnostics are correcting the faithful.
 
jdomaha said:
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
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If you read the whole passage in context, you see he's talking about how spiritual commitment to God would cause conflict between family members. THIS is your smoking gun? Your best evidence?

And your other bombshell piece of proof? Have you even read that passage?

jdomaha said:
7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
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He's talking about how the Jews had created a whole new batch of laws, and quotes Moses as an example.

Like I said, if this is the best you got, it's pathetic. And in case you were totally unaware, "eternal torment" is Hell, i.e. a possible next world.

That's the total opposite of advocating violence; he's saying to believers not to punish them here because they'll be punished in the next life.
 
justo_tx said:
You should have skipped divinity and taken reading comprehension, you quoted John the Baptist not Jesus Christ.

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Edit: gotta question a thread's relevance when the agnostics are correcting the faithful.
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Doh, my bad. Stupid mistake. Stupid. Too many tabs open and there's a lot of overlap between books. This is what I meant to throw up from Matthew 7, which is definitely Jesus talking:

7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

You're not correcting the faithful, man. I'm as atheist as they come. I just spent the better part of my lifetime steeped in religion.
 
jdomaha said:
Doh, my bad. Stupid mistake. Stupid. Too many tabs open and there's a lot of overlap between books. This is what I meant to throw up from Matthew 7, which is definitely Jesus talking:

7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

You're not correcting the faithful, man. I'm as atheist as they come. I just spent the better part of my lifetime steeped in religion.
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I remember there was a time a good ol' educated southerner could quote you nearly any verse of the bible by heart alone.
 
hellblazer said:
If you read the whole passage in context, you see he's talking about how spiritual commitment to God would cause conflict between family members. THIS is your smoking gun? Your best evidence?

And your other bombshell piece of proof? Have you even read that passage?



He's talking about how the Jews had created a whole new batch of laws, and quotes Moses as an example.

Like I said, if this is the best you got, it's pathetic. And in case you were totally unaware, "eternal torment" is Hell, i.e. a possible next world.

That's the total opposite of advocating violence; he's saying to believers not to punish them here because they'll be punished in the next life.
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To Christians, the next life is just as, if not more, important than this life. It certainly will last longer.

Hmm, how about this one from Luke?

19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Jesus isn't all about killing people himself. Jesus is far too clever for that, much like the Godfather. Keep your own hands clean, let others do the dirty work.
 
kblessinggr said:
I remember there was a time a good ol' educated southerner could quote you nearly any verse of the bible by heart alone.
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If you had just one book in your house, you'd probably be pretty familiar with most of it. Especially if it was drilled into you on a daily basis. And if you went further back, children were taught how to read and write with it, copying bible verses by candlelight.
 
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