2012 poll - "Longshot" Paul in dead heat with Obama



Ron Paul is the Ross Perot of the 21st century. He's going to siphon off just enough right-wing support so that Obama sneaks in for a second term.

Is he going to win? No. I don't care how many of you Ayn Rand loving-libertarians shout me down, no way this guy is going to survive the anal media fisking that all serious presidentila candidates need to go through before capturing the White House.
 
Benji49 said:
I don't care how many of you Ayn Rand loving-libertarians shout me down, no way this guy is going to survive the anal media fisking that all serious presidentila candidates need to go through before capturing the White House.
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Like they all did to Obama? Yeah, they really threw him some curves didn't they?

You're right though. The mainstream media has far too much invested in BO to turn back now. They have proven how viciously they are willing to smear anyone on the right to obtain their objective (some reports currently have them trying to infiltrate tax day tea party rallies).

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I love how almost every political event ever gets more than one thread on here. And they're typically the longest.

Might as well start calling this forum LiberalFire. It's .com is open.

PS: Ron Paul 2012!
 
hellblazer said:
The Paulnuts are so cute when they dare to dream.
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The only people holding him back are fundamentalists who think Huckabee or Romney are "good" candidates. The numbers show now, Paul is the best choice to beat Obama in 2012. The only GOP candidate to get within the margin of error.
 
papajohn56 said:
The only people holding him back are fundamentalists who think Huckabee or Romney are "good" candidates. The numbers show now, Paul is the best choice to beat Obama in 2012. The only GOP candidate to get within the margin of error.
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Dude, it's one poll. And the Paulnuts historically rig his polls. It's not just 'fundamentalists' who oppose him; it's also people who disagree with his foreign policy positions. If he were to oppose overseas operations on purely financial reasons, he'd probably have a good shot. But he has to bring in the whole "blame America", "it's our fault for everything" rhetoric and that's where his numbers begin to fall off a cliff.
 
hellblazer said:
Dude, it's one poll. And the Paulnuts historically rig his polls. It's not just 'fundamentalists' who oppose him; it's also people who disagree with his foreign policy positions. If he were to oppose overseas operations on purely financial reasons, he'd probably have a good shot. But he has to bring in the whole "blame America", "it's our fault for everything" and that's where his numbers fall off a cliff.
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It's a valid rasmussen poll that was conducted by phone, it wasn't an internet poll that can be manipulated. It's hard to get this through enough, but he isn't saying "blame America". He is saying "When you piss people off, you should expect them to lash back at you"
 
I want to see how many Obama supporters on here will actually support Paul if he gets the nomination.

Lots of people last time here were talking about an Obama-Paul ticket as a dream ticket. Clearly they had no freaking clue as to what either of these two stand for.

Come one, who with any intellectual honesty can support Ron Paul and Obama at the same time?

The one thing they had agreed on was the war, and even that Obama has reneged on and has further expanded.
 
who exactly do you like? You seem to hate pretty much everyone.

hellblazer said:
Dude, it's one poll. And the Paulnuts historically rig his polls. It's not just 'fundamentalists' who oppose him; it's also people who disagree with his foreign policy positions. If he were to oppose overseas operations on purely financial reasons, he'd probably have a good shot. But he has to bring in the whole "blame America", "it's our fault for everything" rhetoric and that's where his numbers begin to fall off a cliff.
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papajohn56 said:
but he isn't saying "blame America"...

He is saying "When you piss people off, you should expect them to lash back at you"...
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Exactly, he's saying America 'pissed people off' and attacks like 9/11 were them 'lashing back'. In other words, America caused events like 9/11. It's not rocket science, everyone knows and understands what he's saying. But this is what I'm talking about - his supporters have to perform these mental gyrations in order to make his positions appear more palatable.
 
hellblazer said:
Exactly, he's saying America 'pissed people off' and attacks like 9/11 were them 'lashing back'. In other words, America caused events like 9/11. It's not rocket science, everyone knows and understands what he's saying. But this is what I'm talking about - his supporters have to perform these mental gyrations in order to make his positions appear more palatable.
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How is "america pissed people off and people fought back" the same thing as "america caused 9/11"? The reason Ron Paul supporters need to "perform mental gyrations" is because some people are too thick skulled to understand something without twisting it with their own prejudice and arrogance.
That said some of Ron Paul's ideas are too far out there for the American public to get behind, and the string pullers to get behind.
 
unrealalex said:
How is "america pissed people off and people fought back" the same thing as "america caused 9/11"?
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Hello, motherfucker, cause and effect? I'll slow it down a lot this time for you:

Ron Paul Worldview On Terrorism

Cause: America Invading Arab Nations And Other Assorted Douchebaggery
Effect: Terrorism

Capiche?
 
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