Any tips on negotiating a higher salary?
- Thread starter -joe-
- Start date
It is low but if you've never worked in the industry at all (you're pretty young) then this is your foot in the door. 6 months later and you can start shopping around for much more. The best way to get a raise (that will make any difference) is to change jobs or be in a position of control/power. Being able to do (or have knowledge of) something that no body else can do or by making it extremely difficult for them to find someone new with those skills. If you done that - then you're ready to negociate because theyll need you and you're adding real value.
Sounds a bit scammy to me too... Listen to Kiopa_Matt on this one; there are ALL KINDS of "Jobs" out there that sound like this, some sneakier than others, that just want to get you to place PPC ads with money out of YOUR pocket. (Or other sneaky stuff.)
If it turns out not to be a scam, which you won't know until you're sitting in a room with them and have papers in front of you to sign, be sure to negotiate a price that gives you what you need beforehand.
Start by totalling up what you need NOT related to this job, (Such as rent costs, food while not working, a savings plan, paying back mommy for something, friday night fun money, wickedfire traffic packages, etc, etc...) then add in the costs you'll incurr with lunches on the job, petro, and even oil changes/other maintenance.
Once you've got all those numbers on one sheet in front of you, it's easy to figure out how much you need to be asking for as a salary. Don't settle for less or you'll hate yourself for it later.
If it turns out not to be a scam, which you won't know until you're sitting in a room with them and have papers in front of you to sign, be sure to negotiate a price that gives you what you need beforehand.
Start by totalling up what you need NOT related to this job, (Such as rent costs, food while not working, a savings plan, paying back mommy for something, friday night fun money, wickedfire traffic packages, etc, etc...) then add in the costs you'll incurr with lunches on the job, petro, and even oil changes/other maintenance.
Once you've got all those numbers on one sheet in front of you, it's easy to figure out how much you need to be asking for as a salary. Don't settle for less or you'll hate yourself for it later.
Being an online marketer/online marketing manager is not a 9-5 job. You have to constantly check stats every 2-3 hrs. and pause and optimize. See if you can work remotely but for the interview meet them in person and maybe go to the office once a week/biweekly/month?
What about letting them know you make much more than that (even if you dont) with your current activities but you are interested in joining their team, yada yada yada.
Ask for 40k/yr to start and include a renegotiation 3-6 months after your start date. In that time you can demonstrate your real value add and prove how much you are worth to them. It might be that the job itself is pretty fucking mindless and actually isnt worth your time or just doesnt justify paying you what your time is actually worth.
They very well may have picked out your resume and contacted you specifically because they figure you have limited prospects since you dont have a degree and they think you will work yourself to death for a couple pounds a week. Dont be overly confident that they are salivating at the chance to hire you but don't sell yourself short either.
Btw, do you really need to move out or can you live with your parents for a while if you started that job? I know that everyone wants to GTFO asap but if you can spend money on campaigns that would otherwise be going towards rent and food you will be SOOOOOOOOOOOO much better off in 3/6/12 months time. Just a thought.
Cheers
THIS
If you've got a winning campaign beg borrow or steal your way to get the necessary capital. This is all assuming that the campaign is scalable and sustainable, but you'll never know the latter for certain. If you can't get a loan there has to be someone you know that would loan you the cash for like 5% of the profit or something. Think outside the box, there has to be somebody. I hate owing people, but in some situations it has to be done. Take him to your computer and show him exactly what your doing, how much money your making and the cash payments that are hitting your bank account every week, that way you can ease his mind and minimize his feeling of risk.
Fuck working for the man, especially for peanuts which you'll end up making after gas money.
Can anyone tell me how a multinational corp (36k employees) could hire as "Marketing Automation Manager" a 17 years old with no professional history and no CV?
Sounds scammy.
Sounds scammy.
Lol at tags.
If you want the job take it, but even if you decide not to try to negotiate on salary you NEED to work out some sort of remote working agreement for at least a few days each week. Costs aside, I'm betting that's a commute you're not going to want to do for long.
Also, what the others said about beg, borrow, or steal the money you need to scale what you have going...if it's working.
If you want the job take it, but even if you decide not to try to negotiate on salary you NEED to work out some sort of remote working agreement for at least a few days each week. Costs aside, I'm betting that's a commute you're not going to want to do for long.
Also, what the others said about beg, borrow, or steal the money you need to scale what you have going...if it's working.
Last edited:
Instead of asking for more money, ask them to reimburse you for travel costs (which basically in the end would be the same to you as getting a raise).
Or if you would rather take more cash (either way) wait until after the interview and they offer you the job. Do some research for similar companies in the industry (appear knowledgeable) and tell them competitors are offering a higher rate.
</serious>
Good luck bro.
Or if you would rather take more cash (either way) wait until after the interview and they offer you the job. Do some research for similar companies in the industry (appear knowledgeable) and tell them competitors are offering a higher rate.
</serious>
Good luck bro.
I'd stick to IM. You can easily clear that paycheck in less than a month with a good campaign.
17 as well and don't think I'll be getting a "real job" anytime soon.
imp:
17 as well and don't think I'll be getting a "real job" anytime soon.
imp:
£20k is bullshit wages man. I don't care what shape the economy is in or how old you are, if you have skills that are in demand an employer should be prepared to offer you more than what are slightly better than minimum wages. To put things in comparison I was hiring entry/middle weight designers at my last place of employment at £36k + benefits, which I still think is low, but they got raises eventually. Age and education didn't matter, skills did.
Also consider that on top of the already ridiculous petrol prices you'll be paying, plus parking, wear and tear on your car, etc. etc. you're going to be sat in traffic for 2+ hours every day... which is 40+ hours a month of your life wasted behind the wheel. 40 hours that would be better spent earning money, playing video games, jerking off... anything. I would never commute like that in a fucking million years. If you put any value on your time and sanity just put that thought right out of your head. I'd rather move a 5 minute walk away from the office and pay much higher rent than sit in traffic every day. That's just stupid.
Also consider that on top of the already ridiculous petrol prices you'll be paying, plus parking, wear and tear on your car, etc. etc. you're going to be sat in traffic for 2+ hours every day... which is 40+ hours a month of your life wasted behind the wheel. 40 hours that would be better spent earning money, playing video games, jerking off... anything. I would never commute like that in a fucking million years. If you put any value on your time and sanity just put that thought right out of your head. I'd rather move a 5 minute walk away from the office and pay much higher rent than sit in traffic every day. That's just stupid.
