Are we on the brink of WWIII?

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The media is hyping this up so much, obviously the US is going to strike Syria. That's already been decided. Russia is probably going to get pretty pissy when those cruise missiles start flying, which in turn will probably make China quite pissy.

Consequences? WWIII by chance? Or just the US bombs another country, everyone continues worrying about their Facebook feed, and everyone forgets within a couple months except those that were bombed into oblivion?
 


Yep - centuries indeed. Sadly it will probably continue for centuries too until people decide to behave themselves.

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whatever happens, varak ovama AKA the kenyan dung beetle is gonna fuck shit up. guaranteed.
 
It is all laid out excellent in 'Clash of Cilizations' by Huntington.

WW3 is not going to happen but lots of posturing and smaller conflicts are expected.

I do know I wouldn't want to be an American once the military might is gone. You've gone from admired to despised for your zionist leaders.
 
AlwaysAbove said:
WWIII started couple of years ago...
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Yeah, true enough. I've always believed that later on, history books will say WWIII started on Sept 11th, 2001. Nonetheless, we've never seen the "shit hits the fan" war scenario yet. Is there a chance this will bring that about?
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
Yeah, true enough. I've always believed that later on, history books will say WWIII started on Sept 11th, 2001. Nonetheless, we've never seen the "shit hits the fan" war scenario yet. Is there a chance this will bring that about?
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No it began in the Balkan war, which was the first time that the Islamic Civilization, Russian Orthodox and Western Civilizations clashed.

Again, everything that happens is laid out perfectly in Clash of Civilizations. I really recommend everyone to read it if you're interested in figuring out what times we are living in.
 
rusvik said:
No it began in the Balkan war, which was the first time that the Islamic Civilization, Russian Orthodox and Western Civilizations clashed.

Again, everything that happens is laid out perfectly in Clash of Civilizations. I really recommend everyone to read it if you're interested in figuring out what times we are living in.
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I don't think there is one starting point. Think about the reason OBL gave for attacking the World Trade Center - US military bases in Saudi Arabia, in the Islamic Holy Land. And that goes back to the 1st failed attack on the World Trade in 1993 (prior to the Balkans), and was still the #1 stated reason for the successful attack in 2001.

Why were there US military bases in Saudi Arabia? Because of the First Gulf War in 1991. They were used as "staging" and never went away after the War was over, which provided the major impetus for Osama to rally the Wahabi Muslims and call for attacks on the US. It's not a coincidence that almost all of the hijackers were Saudi.

And if you want to go back further you can tie the reasoning for the attack on Iraq in 1991 to the Iran/Iraq war in the 1980's, (when we supplied chemical weapons to Iraq which he used on Iran and on some of his own people), and if you really wanted to root cause that proxy war it goes back to the Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1979 which was a direct result of the CIA overthrowing Mohammad Mosadegh, the democratically elected leader of Iran in 1953 all because he "nationalized" Iranian oil fields that were controlled by the British owned AIOC (Anglo-Iranian Oil Company) aka BP, and if you go back further than that...

Every action has unintended consequences. There isn't one point in time that you can point to and say this started it all. Blowback is very real, and we never learn our lesson.
 
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I don't think there is one starting point. Think about the reason OBL gave for attacking the World Trade Center - US military bases in Saudi Arabia, in the Islamic Holy Land. And that goes back to the 1st failed attack on the World Trade in 1993 (prior to the Balkans), and was still the #1 stated reason for the successful attack in 2001.

Why were there US military bases in Saudi Arabia? Because of the First Gulf War in 1991. They were used as "staging" and never went away after the War was over, which provided the major impetus for Osama to rally the Wahabi Muslims and call for attacks on the US. It's not a coincidence that almost all of the hijackers were Saudi.

And if you want to go back further you can tie the reasoning for the attack on Iraq in 1991 to the Iran/Iraq war in the 1980's, (when we supplied chemical weapons to Iraq which he used on Iran and on some of his own people), and if you really wanted to root cause that proxy war it goes back to the Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1979 which was a direct result of the CIA overthrowing Mohammad Mosadegh, the democratically elected leader of Iran in 1953 all because he "nationalized" Iranian oil fields that were controlled by the British owned AIOC (Anglo-Iranian Oil Company) aka BP, and if you go back further than that...

Every action has unintended consequences. There isn't one point in time that you can point to and say this started it all. Blowback is very real, and we never learn our lesson.
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Emotion and ideology is never the reason why countries and alliances go to war, it is to gain more power and power is most easily obtained when there is a breakdown of a power structure, such that happened after the Sovjet Union.

Huntington introduced the concept of 'civilizations' as a academic response to faulty international relation models, which at the time (mid to late 90s) either operated in a 'west vs all' or 'everyone against everyone' model.

Now it is easy to see why those two models very wrong, but at the time in the years after the fall of the Sovjet, people didn't know how to make sense of things. After all, for at least 40 years, there had only been two power centers.

Huntington then defined 'civilization' as the highest common defining factor for individual nations and that how shared culture and religion proved to be the basis for modern military alliances.

In that regard he also introduced the idea of core-states, which in The West is the US, in the Orthodox world it is Russia, in the Chinese world it is China, but in the Islamic World there is no one core state and that is part of the reason why islamists can agree to fight the west but not agree internally.

So yet again, here we have in Syria the same as in the Balkans. An ally of Russia and an enemy of the islamic world (here one of two powers in Saudi Arabia).

Classic proxy war, just like in the Balkans where the Serbs were singled out mostly because they were in alliance with Russia and the rest of the Orthodox Civilization.

The muslims are primarily just useful idiots in these kind of conflicts.
 
Kelowna said:
I thought the American were broke... where do they get the money to start another war? Borrow from China?
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It's the other way around though. The US starts wars because it is broke. Without military dominance the US dollar would be abandoned because it is so inflated. The only thing that keeps the dollar afloat is because oil is traded in dollars and therefore the US needs control of the oil markets of the world. Saudi Arabia is in on this, but Iran, Libya and Venezuela are not.
 
This whole thing is just an excuse to raise the debt ceiling, build a Quatari natgas pipeline through Syria from Russia and Saudi Arabia (it's like the biggest gas field on the planet), and further globalization by increasing military presence in other countries. Certain people have big financial interests in making sure the current regime gets overthrown because he's not receptive to the whole pipeline idea. Every other surface level conflict is just propaganda brainwashing on both sides to rile masses of desperate people against each other on purpose. Any excuse to start wars in certain countries at certain times are pretty useful tools towards the furthering of globalization and/or financial gain.

In the end, somebody will be installed who is receptive to building a pipeline and certain people will make a lot of money. This is just another illegal war being waged on the pretense of national security towards the financial gain and heightened global control of very rich, idiotic human beings.

Don't blame Obama, he is just a narcissistic psychopath in the right time in the right place, he's just playing the game and he just does his job of providing the smiling, sometimes stern, handsome rhetoric driven bullshit to assure everybody that the actions of this country aren't completely insane.
 
There will never be a WWIII like there was a WWI or a WWII. If there was, there'd be no history books afterwards to tell people about what happened.

Far more likely is an extended stand-off, diplomatic tension, and continual fights over small territories. Both sides know that declaring war on the other is mutually assured destruction, so there's no point in doing it. It doesn't achieve anything.

War has changed. It's not so much about a threat of war with countries, as it is terrorist cells that can attack anyone, anywhere. The risk of attacks on networks, power plants and other forms of infrastructure etc. Europe, the US, etc no longer has a clearly defined enemy.
 
Kelowna said:
I thought the American were broke... where do they get the money to start another war? Borrow from China?
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The US financial system has turned into a giant ponzi scheme. Basically, they should have defaulted on their loans a long time ago. It's basically funny money at this point with this level of printing and borrowing. What they say to the other countries and the fed "is let us borrow more money to pay you back or we're going to default on your loans". I think the only reason they agree is because so much of the world currencies are tied up in the dollar that when it collapses, almost everybody is going to get fucked.
Eventually within like 3-5 years maybe sooner it is just going to be worthless like Zimbabwean money from all the printing and with the fed is keeping interests rates artificially low, then the shitstorm will come. If they let interest rates rise now to their natural level, put an emphasis on letting the free market run loose and naturally regulate us back into a good situation financially, and just cut spending like crazy right now it would get bad for a while while the economy re balances itself but not nearly as bad as what's gonna happen after they keep drawing it out. The USD and this country are done for the next 10-20 years lol everybody in the US go into deutschemarks or gold or something if you don't want your savings to turn into monopoly money. This is going to happen eventually and the US is imposing capital controls next July to make it very dificult for you to be able to get out of the dollar. Come back with your deutschemarks when the US markets are all broken and super cheap, buy up everything, wait like ten years, ride the gold bubble if you have some extra change saved up, sell all and retire when the US is prosperous again in 10-20 years:updown:
 
Fuck politics, religion, news, fuck it all. I have become willfully ignorant to all of it. Its all a pointless fucking waste of time and it gets you angry over stuff you will never change.
 
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