Burn the Qu'ran Day



So it's okay to burn the Qu'ran but not okay to burn the American flag?

Or are both equally okay?

Help me out here politards.
 
Please, don't fucking speak to me about reason. There is nothing reasonable about religion and there sure as shit isn't anything reasonable about islam.

I was obviously speaking about your personal lack of reasoning in your arguments NOT lack of reason in religion in general - you lowered my esteem of yourself

Keep talking about the downfall of America, bitch, while your shitty Islamic countries rot and starve, and get pummeled by natural disaster after natural disaster. With all of those natural disasters you've got to wonder if god favors you after all, ehh?

Fuck you and your fucking threats.
Every empire that has risen has had its fall = America will be no exception and this is no threat it is the truth.

Is/was America ever excempt from Natural disaster or poverty? obviously your arguments are unsustainable as a false comparative argument which it claims to be

FYI: I am not Arabic nor come from an Arabic country I am a mixed blood Asian continent descendant. Your a fool and assume too much

Non sequitur
Non sequitur=

The use of non sequitur in humor can be deliberate or unintentional. Literally, the expression is Latin for "it does not follow." It comes from the word "non" meaning not, and sequi, meaning to follow. In other literature, a non sequitur can denote an abrupt, illogical, unexpected or absurd turn of plot or dialogue not normally associated with or appropriate to that preceding it.

So pseudo-intelligent talking to sound smart is your forte?
I dont see how what i said was unrelated or absurd nor not normally associated with a dialogue we have had assuming the world doesnt consist of only pro-Americans

apparently then, what they believe is that god likes violence and wants us to promote it to "defend his honor". To which i would respond, then why, worship him?
How does defending what you believe in now equals that their/our ( now it is only their God and not ours? ) God likes violence? Added I did not even mention honor this is your subjection

- THIS IS Non sequitur

FYI Muslims sincerely believe in choice and do not feel bound to do any such acts but the fact is a lot DO and this IS consequence and this is even calculable and predictable consequence - meaning - If ever we were to live in harmony we should not offend another on purpose and then say you cant hit me back because it is my freedom to offend you.

It is like spitting someone in his face and then not expecting the person to hit you back cause hitting is illegal and spitting is not and thus you should have the freedom to do so ( WTF right? ).

without choice there is no love
What if humans only knew good and could not have a choice between good and bad, would love then not exist, would they all fear? no it would florish? again you fail to convince me
 
Every empire that has risen has had its fall = America will be no exception and this is no threat it is the truth.
No shit. I was responding to possible veiled threats Islamic pussies use in response to words. It happens often. Fuckers that threaten people like the Danish cartoon guy and South park need to be put the fuck down.

I'm an atheist man.. it might sound like I'm preaching the superiority of America and the Christian god but I'm not. I'm only preaching the inferiority and outright danger of Islam. And the inferiority is so obvious that all they can do is threaten violence.
 
Dudes, seriously speaking these things can start a war so I predict

a) The mainstream media will STOP covering this by the order of the gov. or whatever

b) Those ppl .... if they don't stop the gov. is gonna do prob. some bad things to them

worst outcome

Islamic countries are gonna start a war.

I think people need to research seriously whether the Islam as a religion has such a big impact of the progress of the humanity and then decide based on that...not on some beliefs without being aware of the terrible consequences. Btw if there's such a research let me know.
 
Allah Allah Allah

Hey nanexo we were debating this topic in another thread so I figured i would ask a Muslim. How do you feel about Mohammed being a pedophile since he was married to a six year old girl according to your Holy Qu'ran that you don't want to see burned? Do you support having sex with little kids? If not, how can you in good conscience follow that religion. Honest question bro.
 
Of course, destroying private property is akin to saying the government should outlaw Islam as a religion. Stunning logic, as always.

i honestly can't even follow your argument. is burning a privately owned american flag "anti-american"?

you've baffled me this time.
 
I was obviously speaking about your personal lack of reasoning in your arguments NOT lack of reason in religion in general - you lowered my esteem of yourself

Every empire that has risen has had its fall = America will be no exception and this is no threat it is the truth.

Is/was America ever excempt from Natural disaster or poverty? obviously your arguments are unsustainable as a false comparative argument which it claims to be

FYI: I am not Arabic nor come from an Arabic country I am a mixed blood Asian continent descendant. Your a fool and assume too much

Non sequitur=

The use of non sequitur in humor can be deliberate or unintentional. Literally, the expression is Latin for "it does not follow." It comes from the word "non" meaning not, and sequi, meaning to follow. In other literature, a non sequitur can denote an abrupt, illogical, unexpected or absurd turn of plot or dialogue not normally associated with or appropriate to that preceding it.

So pseudo-intelligent talking to sound smart is your forte?
I dont see how what i said was unrelated or absurd nor not normally associated with a dialogue we have had assuming the world doesnt consist of only pro-Americans

How does defending what you believe in now equals that their/our ( now it is only their God and not ours? ) God likes violence? Added I did not even mention honor this is your subjection

- THIS IS Non sequitur

FYI Muslims sincerely believe in choice and do not feel bound to do any such acts but the fact is a lot DO and this IS consequence and this is even calculable and predictable consequence - meaning - If ever we were to live in harmony we should not offend another on purpose and then say you cant hit me back because it is my freedom to offend you.

It is like spitting someone in his face and then not expecting the person to hit you back cause hitting is illegal and spitting is not and thus you should have the freedom to do so ( WTF right? ).

What if humans only knew good and could not have a choice between good and bad, would love then not exist, would they all fear? no it would florish? again you fail to convince me


Your religion is not compatible in anyway with modern society. Until it comes out of the dark ages there will be ongoing conflict and war. End of story.

Civilization isn't going to move backwards to make muslims happy, so you can move forward with the world or you can contine to blow shit up. Eitherway, the world is and will continue to move on and leave you further and further behind.
 
No shit. I was responding to possible veiled threats Islamic pussies use in response to words. It happens often. Fuckers that threaten people like the Danish cartoon guy and South park need to be put the fuck down.

I'm an atheist man.. it might sound like I'm preaching the superiority of America and the Christian god but I'm not. I'm only preaching the inferiority and outright danger of Islam. And the inferiority is so obvious that all they can do is threaten violence.

Here's the deal though- you gotta differentiate between Islamic extremism and moderate Islam.

Just like theres regular atheists and there's shittarded militant atheists who don't care about being reasonable and logical.

Lumping everybody together makes everybody uncomfortable, and moderate Muslims who are bullied will only turn to extremism because mainstream America has rejected them.
 
Here's the deal though- you gotta differentiate between Islamic extremism and moderate Islam.

This is actually my point. I believe you're wrong. Extremism, violence, and militant behavior is actually built right into the koran. It's a huge part of their religion. This is why it should not be respected.

We just talked about this in another thread but you should check this documentary out at nexflix streaming or a torrent.

Islam: What the West Needs to Know (2006)

Nothing said in there is false, and the quotes from Islamic texts can be found anywhere. Watch that and then talk to me.
 
HOLY CRAP - Can you believe these radical muslims building on hallowed ground?????

Here's the latest. Fucking unbelievable!
On ABC’s “This Week” Sunday, Daisy Khan, wife of the proposed Islamic Center’s leader Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, did not rule out the possibility of selecting a less controversial site away from 9/11’s ground zero.
“We're meeting several stakeholders right now, because we understand the pain and the anguish that has been displayed throughout the country,” said Ms. Khan. “And we indeed want to build bridges. We don't want to create conflict. This is not where we were coming from. So, this is an opportunity for us to really turn this around and make this into something very, very positive. So we will meet and we will do what is right for everyone.”
 
If this is a veiled threat, come get it.

Seriously, if cunts like you want to use violence in reaction to our words then you'll see we also win in the violence department.

It's common knowledge that Muslims have a serious inferiority complex. You're supposedly the "correct" religion and everyone else is supposedly the "infidel". God is supposedly on your side. Yet your theocracies fail so miserably at every test that a society can be measured by (Not just western standards). You brutalize and humiliate your women. And it's also like mother nature itself wants you dead with all of your natural disasters. You fools cant even fucking feed yourself. But, oh yes, you're superior, and god is on YOUR side lol.

Islam = Pure Fagottry

WTF are you talking about? What threats? What natural disasters? You're talking complete nonsense.
 
This is actually my point. I believe you're wrong. Extremism, violence, and militant behavior is actually built right into the koran. It's a huge part of their religion. This is why it should not be respected.

We just talked about this in another thread but you should check this documentary out at nexflix streaming or a torrent.

Islam: What the West Needs to Know (2006)

Nothing said in there is false, and the quotes from Islamic texts can be found anywhere. Watch that and then talk to me.

The Bible has more calls to violence in it than the Koran does. It goes both ways.

To someone like me they are no different.
 
Hey nanexo we were debating this topic in another thread so I figured i would ask a Muslim. How do you feel about Mohammed being a pedophile since he was married to a six year old girl according to your Holy Qu'ran that you don't want to see burned? Do you support having sex with little kids? If not, how can you in good conscience follow that religion. Honest question bro.


Fair Question - Since the answer is long I will quote a source - Off course I do not support pedophiles - you are simply misinformed


[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]A. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha (r.a.) because he was a paedophile?[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Definition of a Paedophile:[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]"Pedophile: also spelled PAEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical paedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult." Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1998.

"pe.do.phil.ia n [NL] (1906): sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object -- pe.do.phil.i.ac or pe.do.phil.ic adj." Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.
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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]The diagnostic criteria for paedophilia according to American Psychiatric Association:[/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent intense sexual urges and sexual arousing fantasies involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children.[/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]The person has acted on these urges, or is markedly distressed by them.[/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]The person is at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child or children in A.[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]DSM-III-R Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, rev ed. 3, (American Psychiatric Association).[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]"In addition to their paedophilia, a significant number of paedophiles are concomitantly or have previously been involved in exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape". (Voyeurism is the recurrent preoccupation with fantasised or acts that involve seeking out or observing people who are naked, or are engaged in grooming or in sexual activity).[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Harold I. Kaplan et al., Synopsis of Psychiatry, 5th ed. (Williams and Wilkens, 1988), p. 360.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Does the prophet fit the above criteria of a paedophile?[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica] With the above criteria of a paedophile in mind, lets analyse the lifestyle of the prophet and his marriages.

His marriages:
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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Name of Bride[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Bride's age at marriage[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Comments[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Khadija bint khawilad[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]40[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Twice widowed before[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Sauda Bint Zama[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]50[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Widow[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Aisha bint Abu Bakr[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]9[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Started living with the prophet at the age of 9.[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]22[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Widow[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Zainab bint Khuzaima[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]30[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]?[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Umm-I-Salma bint Abu Umayia[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]26[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Widow[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Zainab Bint Jahash[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]38[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Widow[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Juwaeria Bint Harith[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]20[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Widow[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Umm-I-Habiba bint Abu Sufyan[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]36[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Widow[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Marya Qibtiya bint Shamun[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]17[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Virgin, Egyptian[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Safia bint Hayi bin Akhtab[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]17[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Widow[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Raihana bint umru bin hanafa[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]?[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]?[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Maimuna bint harith[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]36[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]widow[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica] Source: Syed Abu Zafar Zain, The Prophet of Islam, the Ideal Husband (Lahore: Kazi Publications), pp. 10-12.
[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Statistics from the above table:[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica] Percentage of his wives who were 17 years and older = 91 %

Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%

Comments: The statistics show that the prophet's marriage to Aisha at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages. Furthermore "a paedophile's main mode of sexual satisfaction is with prepubescent girls", which is contradictory to the 91% of prophet's marriage to women 17 years and over. An unbiased examination of Prophet's life and his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of his lifestyle fitting that of a paedophile. All his brides were aged widows (except Aisha and Marya).

Moreover, according to the criteria in the references cited above in Synopsis of Psychiatry, a vast majority of paedophiles possess a history of exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape. Again, there is no single reference from either religious or secular sources that the noble Prophet ever indulged in such sadistic behaviour (God forbid). This truth is observed and accepted by both Muslims and unbiased non-Muslims scholars.
"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."
Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad (Madras, 1932), p. 4.
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B. Others claim that the noble Prophet (peace be upon him) indulged in child-abuse when he married Aisha at her young age

Let scrutinise this allegation...
Definition of Child Abuse:

Child Abuse, also called CRUELTY TO CHILDREN, the wilful and unjustifiable infliction of pain and suffering on children. The term can denote the use of inordinate physical violence; unjustifiable verbal abuse; the failure to furnish proper shelter, nourishment, medical treatment, or emotional support; incest; other cases of sexual molestation or rape; and the making of child pornography. Frequently described by the medical profession as the "battered-child syndrome," abusive treatment of children is almost universally proscribed by criminal statutes. Child abuse can have serious future consequences for the victims involved. Delays in physical growth, impaired language and cognitive abilities, and problems in personality development, learning, and behaviour are common following instances of child abuse or neglect. Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1998




Comments: None of the criteria of child-abuse applies to the noble life of the Prophet (pbuh). There is no single incident of any infliction of pain and suffering by the prophet on Aisha or any other human being for that matter. Neither any instance of verbal or sexual abuse can be concluded from the relationship of the prophet with Aisha (r.a.) or any of his wives.

An abused child can have serious future consequences...delayed physical growth, impaired language..learning and behaviour...etc (above definition). As one examines the chaste life of Aisha (r.a.), her personality, physical, mental and spiritual development are all contrary to that of an abused child. In fact through the Prophet's marriage and his guidance to Aisha, history testifies that she should be labelled not as an abused child but as a 'blessed child'.

After analysing and refuting the accusations against the noble character of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the only viable alternative left with us is:




C. The Prophet married Aisha for the benefit of Islam and Humanity

Lets analyse...


1. The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:

a. To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).
b. To educate and train Aisha for the purposes of Islam.
c. To utilise her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

2. Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahy (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet. "He said, 'I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that..." Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p. 285.

3. Aisha (r.a.) was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

4. In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

Aisha lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God's guidance, the Qur'an and the Sunnah of His Prophet. Aisha (r.a.) was one of the three wives (the other two being Hafsa (r.a.) and Umm Salama (r.a.) who memorised the Revelation. Like Hafsa (r.a.), she had her own script of the Qur'an written after the Prophet had died.

So far as the Hadith or sayings of the Prophet is concerned, Aisha (r.a.) is one of four persons (the others being Abu Hurayra, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Anas ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. From her, 2210 Hadith have come, out of which 174 Hadith are commonly agreed upon by both Bukhari and Muslim.

Many of her transmissions pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behaviour which only someone in Aisha's position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of Hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions.

It is the claim of the Scholars of Islam that without her, half of the Ilm-I-Hadith [knowledge, understanding of the Hadith (and Islam)] would have perished.

5. Many of the learned companions of the Prophet and their followers benefited from Aishah's knowledge. Abu Musa al-Ash'ari once said:

"If we companions of the Messenger of God had any difficulty on a matter, we asked Aisha about it."

"Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari came to Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, "The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me." She said, "What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me." He said, "A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. "She said, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory." Abu Musa added, "I shall never ask anyone about this after you."

Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik, Hadith 2.75.

Arwa Bin Zubair says,

"I did not find anyone more proficient [than Aisha (r.a.)] in the knowledge of the Holy Qur'an, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited), Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to consult Aisha (r.a.) in resolving intricate issued".

Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Sa'ad, Jala-ul-Afham, vol. 2, p. 26.

Abu Musa al-Ash'ari says:

"Never had we (the companions) had any difficulty for the solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from her".

Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, p. 163.

6. As a teacher she had a clear and persuasive manner of speech and her power of oratory has been described in superlative terms by al-Ahnaf who said: "I have heard speeches of Abu Bakr and Umar, Uthman and Ali and the Khulafa up to this day, but I have not heard speech more persuasive and more beautiful from the mouth of any person than from the mouth of Aisha."

The Prophet said,

"The superiority of 'Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Narrated by Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari Hadith 4.643.

Musa Ibn Talha (r.a.) says,

"I did not see anyone more eloquent than Aisha (r.a.)"

Mustadrak of Hakim, vol.4, p.11.

7. Men and women came from far and wide to benefit from her knowledge.

Aisha's great interest in the study of the Qur'an is understandable. She was an eye-witness to a number of revelations and had therefore a clear idea of the circumstances in which they were revealed. It was on her bed alone (and no other consort's) that the Prophet received Wahy (Divine Revelations) several times. This helped her in interpreting the verses.

8. At the time of the Prophet's death, the Prophet's head was on her lap. It was in her quarters that the Prophet was buried.


The life of Aisha (R) is a proof that a woman can be far more learned than men and that she can be the teacher of scholars and experts. Her life is also a proof that a woman can exert influence over men and women and provide them with inspiration and leadership. Aisha (R) is a continuing inspiration and role model to today's youth who are diligently searching for an example amongst the pop stars, movie actresses and sports stars. May the memory of her's live forever in the heart of the Muslim Ummah and may Allah grant her the highest abode in Paradise...Ameen.

Why Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Married Young Aisha Siddiqa (r.a.)?
Why Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Marry Young Aisha Siddiqa ®?
 
The Bible has more calls to violence in it than the Koran does. It goes both ways.

To someone like me they no different.

The bible is a book written by many different authors. The koran has one author and everything in it is taken seriously by Muslims.

And as far as Christianity is concerned Jesus never once made a call for violence. Not that I believe in Jesus, just saying, his words were peaceful poetry, nothing else. Even an Atheist like me can respect the words of Jesus.

I realize Christians themselves have possibly shed just as much blood as Muslims in the name of religion. But my point is that all of those Christians were terrible Christians.. they weren't following a single teaching of Jesus while shedding blood. It was mostly kings using religion as a pretext for war.

Muslims on the other hand were following exactly what their holy book suggests - spread religion by the sword.
 
Child Abuse, also called CRUELTY TO CHILDREN, the wilful and unjustifiable infliction of pain and suffering on children. The term can denote the use of inordinate physical violence; unjustifiable verbal abuse; the failure to furnish proper shelter, nourishment, medical treatment, or emotional support; incest; other cases of sexual molestation or rape; and the making of child pornography.

If you are going to quote current day definitions to make your case it is important then to point out that rape is sex without consent, as children do not have the ability to give consent (or to even understand sex which is necessary for consent), all sex with children is rape and therefore child abuse.

As the author does not argue that Mohammed did not have sex with Aisha (unless this is implied elsewhere, I do not have the details or knowledge), he is by using this definition of child abuse (as to include rape) and the understood definition of rape (as to be sex without consent), inadvertently demonstrating that child abuse did take place.

If he wants to argue that child abuse did not take place, he should argue that there were no sexual relations between Mohammed and Aisha because sex with a child is always child abuse.

With regards to the claim of paedophilia, it is analogous to asking if someone is gay for having a gay relationship. Technically they are not (by the similarly accepted definition of gay, which is to prefer a same sex relationship to that of an opposite sex one) BUT the act would still be a "homosexual act" even if the person wasn't technically gay.

Here's a question then, is it still permissible in the Islamic world to marry someone as young as 9 years old? If not then why is this so, given that Mohammed did?

I'm being respectful of you and asking thought out questions, and I would hope you would do the same in your responses.