Cancer is finally cured in Canada but Big Pharma has no interest.

You do know that using the word treatable is very general and also covers chemotherapy treatment. You obviously do know that more people die from chemotherapy than the cancer itself.

FFS, I obviously don't know that because it isn't true at all. I'll get you started on a pretty basic take down of that claim here.

You can read about this further, with more actual statistics, here.

Beyond that yes, chemo is a very viable treatment for cancer. In fact, for they types of cancer that respond to chemo, no chemo = certain death by cancer or a compromised immune system. There's also radiation treatments and even a radiation pill that can help treat certain cancers now. Is chemo or any other treatment guaranteed to put a person into remission, of course not. We still have people who die from fever and infection, why would anyone assume that cancer treatments would be any different.

Science and biology = not simple things.

I am not arguing with you over whether there is hard evidence that DCA will cure 'specific' cancers. More research etc is required.

This is 100% correct.

If you define a cure as in once its gone, you'll never get it again, it won't ever happen. You could even say a tickly cough is incurable since you can't stop it happening again.

A. There is no cure for the common cold. Only time and medications that can suppress symptoms and boost your immune system.

B. When people are talking about cures for cancer, they are talking about eradicating it from the lexicon. If you're saying that getting rid of cancer and still having the possibility of it returning can be called a cure, then we're already there. But it's case dependent depending on how soon the cancer is caught, the type of cancer, how aggressive it is, etc.

The problem with talking about cancer is that there are literally hundreds of types of cancer. They do not act the same, they don't grow at the same rate, and they aren't all caused by the same process. Cures, however you choose to define that, have to be developed for the different classifications of cancer. The idea that a universal cure for all types of cancers will ever exist is a pipe dream.
 
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But more important is to remember that pharma and big medicine aren't the only ones in the business of making drugs. Especially when it comes to finding new treatments for drugs that no longer have a patent. If enough scientists thought this were a viable cure for cancer, countries that have socialized medicine would be all over this. Since there would be no costs associated with developing the compound, the only costs would be in running the phase trials and getting approval from the various regulatory agencies. That should run right around $100-200 million. That's a small price for a government to pay compared to the cost savings that places like the UK and Canada would experience.

This assumes that there is anything efficient or cost effective about government programs.

People using stolen credit cards generally don't go around looking for sales, nyaw mean?
 
If you define a cure as in once its gone, you'll never get it again, it won't ever happen. You could even say a tickly cough is incurable since you can't stop it happening again.

Thats exactly what happens with vaccination. Although you probably believe that vaccination is a myth, orchestrated by big pharma to mercury poison the shit out of everyone.

For that purpose, big pharma allowed scientists to build a single time machine.
 
LOL at the dumbasses posting in here. I'm looking at you evilpenguin.

Statelizard definitely knows what he's talking about though. +1 rep.

We need intelligent posters like Statelizard to keep the conspiracy tards in check.
 
this pisses me off, every other day someone somewhere cures cancer with some fucked up ingredient no one thought about.. problem is we're still dying of cancer!

no clue what to think at this point, are pharmaceutical companies and governments really that evil that they would let their people die because they can't turn a profit? I mean, the CEOs and owners of those pharmaceuticals probably have family members who are dying from cancer, don't they care that their treatments aren't working?

Wow you are fucking dumb.
 
FFS, I obviously don't know that because it isn't true at all. I'll get you started on a pretty basic take down of that claim here.

You can read about this further, with more actual statistics, here.

Beyond that yes, chemo is a very viable treatment for cancer. In fact, for they types of cancer that respond to chemo, no chemo = certain death by cancer or a compromised immune system. There's also radiation treatments and even a radiation pill that can help treat certain cancers now. Is chemo or any other treatment guaranteed to put a person into remission, of course not. We still have people who die from fever and infection, why would anyone assume that cancer treatments would be any different.

Science and biology = not simple things.

Its a claim I found a few years back. Though looking for the evidence now, I can't find any. Chemotherapy does at times kill off a significant chunk of patients

If we discuss whether chemotherapy is a viable treatment, it also depends on the kind of cancer:

The contribution of cytotoxic che... [Clin Oncol (R Coll Radiol). 2004] - PubMed - NCBI

With a estimated 2.3% survival rate of using cytotoxic chemotherapy, its almost a certain death.


A. There is no cure for the common cold. Only time and medications that can suppress symptoms and boost your immune system.

B. When people are talking about cures for cancer, they are talking about eradicating it from the lexicon. If you're saying that getting rid of cancer and still having the possibility of it returning can be called a cure, then we're already there. But it's case dependent depending on how soon the cancer is caught, the type of cancer, how aggressive it is, etc.

The problem with talking about cancer is that there are literally hundreds of types of cancer. They do not act the same, they don't grow at the same rate, and they aren't all caused by the same process. Cures, however you choose to define that, have to be developed for the different classifications of cancer. The idea that a universal cure for all types of cancers will ever exist is a pipe dream.

A. There is no medical cure for the common cold, our bodies takes care of it. Our immune system cures it for us. By the way, which conventional medicines (drugs) boost immune system?

B. Is that how people really define it, as immunity to cancer for life? I don't believe any one off treatment will do that, ever. However, I don't believe we have a cure at the moment either. There are too many uncertainties to the outcome of treatments, risks and detrimental side effect involved.
 
Its a claim I found a few years back. Though looking for the evidence now, I can't find any. Chemotherapy does at times kill off a significant chunk of patients

This is talking about end of life cancer patients and only accounts for 2% of all cancer patients receiving chemotherapy. From the link provided:

The report, titled ‘For better, for worse?’, examines the quality of care provided for this selected group of patients (estimated at 2% of those receiving chemotherapy)

For the most part, these were patients who were so far along in the malignancy stage that they were going to die either way. Chemo was a last ditch effort to save them/prolong their life. In 19% of those cases chemo shouldn't even have been used because there was no conceivable way that it was going to improve those patients lives.

While that's important, it isn't as important as the other 98% of cancer patients who were receiving chemo. That 27% death rate looks large by itself, but it's a manipulated statistic. It's 27% of the 2% of patients at end of life and also didn't include cancers that are most responsive to chemo, such as leukemia and breast cancer. It's actually the exact study that the first link I listed is discussing.

What it's really saying is that if you have 10,000 people being treated with chemo, we're only going to look at the 2% of those patients who are at end of life stage and do not have x,y,z type of cancer.

When put in that context you're actually looking at a study/review that encompasses 200 patients. Of those 200 patients, 27% or 54 of them would have died due to complications with the chemo. While that is terrible for those 54 people, in the larger context of all people being treated with chemo, those 54 people that died only account less than a percent of all chemo patients.

It's a study (and it was actually just a review of cherry picked literature) that is put forth with an agenda.

For the record, I'm not arguing that chemotherapy doesn't suck for people having it. It's painful and generally makes you feel much worse before it makes you feel any better. I've seen too many family members and friends go through chemo to say otherwise. But by and large, it is effective when the cancer hasn't progressed beyond stage 2, again depending on the type of cancer you're dealing with.

If we discuss whether chemotherapy is a viable treatment, it also depends on the kind of cancer:

The contribution of cytotoxic che... [Clin Oncol (R Coll Radiol). 2004] - PubMed - NCBI

Of course it is, that's why I said depending on the type of cancer. That's also why the review you linked to is ineffective when determining the viability of chemo as a treatment. It only looks at end of stage, chemo wasn't appropriate in 19% of the end of life patients the study accounts for, and it also excluded the types of cancer that respond best to chemo.

With a estimated 2.3% survival rate of using cytotoxic chemotherapy, its almost a certain death.

This is only the case in the very limited scope of the review you linked to. This is the same statistic that the my first link and the one that followed discusses.

In addition to that, almost no cancer patient is treated with chemo alone. They have surgery, radiation, and a multitude of other treatments as part of their treatment protocols.




A. There is no medical cure for the common cold, our bodies takes care of it. Our immune system cures it for us. By the way, which conventional medicines (drugs) boost immune system?

Quite true. But when people speak of cures, they aren't talking about the body naturally fighting infections, they're talking about taking a pill or having a procedure to immediately get rid of the problem. Of course our immune system fights off the common cold, otherwise we would all die before we reach adulthood.

As for the conventional medicines and immune system. Good on you. That was lazy on my part. For a common cold you aren't going to get any medication that is going to boost your immune system.

However, for immune disorders or things like pneumonia, you will receive medication such as antibiotics or immunoglobulin therapies (immune disorders not pneumonia) or another form of treatment within the field of immunology, all of which are designed to help your weakened immune system fight off infection and thereby allowing your immune system to strengthen.

But again, good call. That was lazy on my part and I should have been called out for it.

B. Is that how people really define it, as immunity to cancer for life? I don't believe any one off treatment will do that, ever. However, I don't believe we have a cure at the moment either. There are too many uncertainties to the outcome of treatments, risks and detrimental side effect involved.

I agree. And that's why I said I don't think there will ever be a "cure" for cancer. I don't see a way to eradicate it, though there may be at some point. Who knows. But when most people talk about curing cancer, yes that's what many of them are talking about, a day when no one gets cancer ever. And that's the pipe dream.
 

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Interesting logic behind this approach. The biggest problem it seems to be that everyone is trying to fight off and cure mere symptoms of the disease, and not the root cause of oncogenesis.
 
idiot in the video is intelligent enough to not call any names so claim remains unverifiable.

post a name of a scientist involved in this. ill perform a search on some science article database.

Dr. Evangelos Michelakis is in the first video and I don't believe he is making any type of definitive claims.

The 2007 study was with rodents, and then there was a 2010 one involving humans. Journal abstract for the latter :

Metabolic Modulation of Glioblastoma with Dichloroacetate
 
Aside from the fact that most people have no idea how to give themselves a slow bolus injection (the most likely administration route),

According to what I just linked to, they "treated each patient with oral DCA for up to 15 months."
 
Yep. I didn't see him making any claims either. It was more of "hey this could be promising, we need to study it further. It could be a breakthrough, but we just don't know yet."

The "claims" of it being a cure were coming from the reporters and other people wanting to sensationalize the findings. That's a huge problem when it comes to science news in general and medical news in particular. Most of the people reporting on it have absolutely no knowledge of science or research methods. So they tend to hear what they want to hear instead of what's actually being said.

^ can't get to it at the moment, says it's temp. unavailable. But that's interesting and would obviously be beneficial. The less invasive a treatment, the better. Looking forward to reading it when I can.
 
This is talking about end of life cancer patients and only accounts for 2% of all cancer patients receiving chemotherapy. From the link provided:



For the most part, these were patients who were so far along in the malignancy stage that they were going to die either way. Chemo was a last ditch effort to save them/prolong their life. In 19% of those cases chemo shouldn't even have been used because there was no conceivable way that it was going to improve those patients lives.

While that's important, it isn't as important as the other 98% of cancer patients who were receiving chemo. That 27% death rate looks large by itself, but it's a manipulated statistic. It's 27% of the 2% of patients at end of life and also didn't include cancers that are most responsive to chemo, such as leukemia and breast cancer. It's actually the exact study that the first link I listed is discussing.

What it's really saying is that if you have 10,000 people being treated with chemo, we're only going to look at the 2% of those patients who are at end of life stage and do not have x,y,z type of cancer.

When put in that context you're actually looking at a study/review that encompasses 200 patients. Of those 200 patients, 27% or 54 of them would have died due to complications with the chemo. While that is terrible for those 54 people, in the larger context of all people being treated with chemo, those 54 people that died only account less than a percent of all chemo patients.

It's a study (and it was actually just a review of cherry picked literature) that is put forth with an agenda.

For the record, I'm not arguing that chemotherapy doesn't suck for people having it. It's painful and generally makes you feel much worse before it makes you feel any better. I've seen too many family members and friends go through chemo to say otherwise. But by and large, it is effective when the cancer hasn't progressed beyond stage 2, again depending on the type of cancer you're dealing with.



Of course it is, that's why I said depending on the type of cancer. That's also why the review you linked to is ineffective when determining the viability of chemo as a treatment. It only looks at end of stage, chemo wasn't appropriate in 19% of the end of life patients the study accounts for, and it also excluded the types of cancer that respond best to chemo.



This is only the case in the very limited scope of the review you linked to. This is the same statistic that the my first link and the one that followed discusses.

In addition to that, almost no cancer patient is treated with chemo alone. They have surgery, radiation, and a multitude of other treatments as part of their treatment protocols.

That is the point. Past a certain stage Chemo as well as other treatments such as radiation should not be used. They are toxic and damaging to the body. Hence not only does the chemo not help get rid of the cancer, it makes it worse or kill off the patient. If there is a 'cure' that is non toxic, even those in the late stages that chemo cannot help due to its toxicity, this 'cure' could help. For those stages, chemo and other toxic treatments are not viable treatments.

Quite true. But when people speak of cures, they aren't talking about the body naturally fighting infections, they're talking about taking a pill or having a procedure to immediately get rid of the problem. Of course our immune system fights off the common cold, otherwise we would all die before we reach adulthood.

My original point is that the definition of 'cure' as a one off treatment to make us immune to that particular disease is absurd. Maybe a better example is scurvy. If someone has scurvy, to me vitamin c is the cure. However, according to the above definition, it is not, as it won't stop you from getting scurvy in the future with that one off treatment.


As for the conventional medicines and immune system. Good on you. That was lazy on my part. For a common cold you aren't going to get any medication that is going to boost your immune system.

However, for immune disorders or things like pneumonia, you will receive medication such as antibiotics or immunoglobulin therapies (immune disorders not pneumonia) or another form of treatment within the field of immunology, all of which are designed to help your weakened immune system fight off infection and thereby allowing your immune system to strengthen.

But again, good call. That was lazy on my part and I should have been called out for it.

Wasn't trying to catch you out. My knowledge is that medicinal drugs does not boost immune system but rather makes it worse instead. So if there is a drug, I wanted to know about it. Antibiotics actually reduces the white blood cell count instead of boosting the immune system. I have not looked indepth into immunoglobulin therapies, but a brief look is that its a transfusion of antibodies from donated blood, not a medicine.


I agree. And that's why I said I don't think there will ever be a "cure" for cancer. I don't see a way to eradicate it, though there may be at some point. Who knows. But when most people talk about curing cancer, yes that's what many of them are talking about, a day when no one gets cancer ever. And that's the pipe dream.

Yes I agree, if that is the definition of cure, then its a pipes dream.