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Man, you guys really don't get it. Yes, these last couple of years Bush has been a lame duck but that is due to a Democratic Congress.

His first four were a stunning success. He not only kept our economy afloat after 9/11 but he also detoured any other attacks by those wishing harm upon us.

Untill this last year the economy has been putting out numbers that we have never seen before. He also won the war in Iraq and liberated a nation from a murderous tyrannt.

You can also credit him placing the most minorities in top government positions than ANY other president in history. This paved the way for your beloved Obama to be president.

So, go ahead with your San Francisco Hate Bush Bumper Sticker fad but the facts speak for themselves and history will have a different opinion than the fags in San Francisco.

He'll sure be remembered alright.

Editorial - So Little Time, So Much Damage - NYTimes.com

In all fairness though, the guy has taken a lot of shit from both sides the last year. Liberals hate him and Republicans are abandoning him.
 


I think you have a great idea going here and I wish there was some more support for it. It definitely is a huge goal but I think if we did it effectively we would ad least get the word out more then it has in the past. I like the idea of starting immediately and working it for the next 4 years.

Thanks & yes it is a huge goal but hopefully with a few baby steps and great deal of automation, it won't be an insane amount of work. Not continuing during political downtime is a big reason parties don't carry momentum.

Who knows, maybe we could get a 3rd party elected. Although that would be a huge undertaking with the state of politics today. I just don't see one of the two main party candidates not winning an election.

I advocate playing the game, in this case the game has rules that mandate slow change. Here's the way it works ... minor parties that get 5% of the popular vote get 5% of the election funding from the government .. this scales up to 24%. Major parties are defined at 25% and they get 100% of the funding and get invited to all the cool FOX/CNN/... debates. Put someone like Ron Paul in those debates and McCain and Obama would both have their tails tucked right about now.

So, even if we totally kick ass and put our guy in front of 100% of the households he still loses. Why? Because he's not on TV for the sheeple to see and he can't spend cash campaigning in all 50 states ... he has to choose his battles and that's not the way to win an election.

I guess the goal of this would be to have 25% of the vote in 2012 which will be difficult ... but not impossible. We still lose but our children now have hope and see the way that our democracy really works, and we did it all playing fair. This means, best case scenario we've got a major candidate on TV going toe to toe with the Republocrats in 2016. From there it's in the people's hands. Even if we only pull 10-15% of the votes, we still get the recognition, our infrastructure is in place for another run in 4 years, the campaign has extra funding & we all have some new sites in our empire making us some profit. Sunny days ahead.

Yes 8 years sounds like a long time, and it is. That's exactly the reason the elections are set up the way they are. A billionaire (like Perot) can chunk money at a campaign and win votes for the short term, but at some point he stops with his blank check policy. This tactic won't win him the white house because Joe the Sheeple didn't get to hear Tom Brokaw ask him any questions. This movement (Perot) was about the person and not the issues, that party dies out (just like the Reform party did).

I am all for helping in anyway I can. I think if we have a domain for each state touting the same "get away from the heard" mentality we could dominate the serps for a lot of keywords. They way the internet is growing will only help us. A true grassroots movement on the internet has the potential to,at the very least, make more people aware that there are better people out there for the job. That would be a win in my book. Honestly, I don't see that happening with the next election unless Obama really fucks up - which is highly possible.

Now you're talking. This is exactly the way I have envisioned it except with a few hundred domains owned and operated by a few dozen people. Most sites are on different IPs & hosting plans so that type of footprint is at a minimum. They are there, mind you, but I don't think google would be looking into a manual mass ban of this type of network.

We'd only really need 3-5 different types of sites for the whole network. Each set of keywords (and the content it creates) would be unique on the city/state level so no dupe filters would kill this algorithmically. This isn't my strong suit so someone like Eli or Shady would be a great asset when planning this network.

I am just rambling here, but I am down to help out. Imagine if Ron Paul started this 4 years ago and built a bigger internet presence. He did alright with it but it obviously wasn't enough. When he dropped out it was a huge blow and many people ended up voting for the two major candidates. I was only 1 of 53 people to vote for Baldwin in my county out of about 20,000 voters. The other 3rd parties didn't fare to well either here.

I see things the exact same way. RP was too little too late. His message was strong and he gained some passionate followers. He simply didn't have enough time to get the message across to everyone.

I agree we need to find the right person who is popular enough to not be a joke. I live in Minnesota and fucking Al Franken is in a dead heat with the republican incubmant right now. They have to do a major recount it is so close. If a crazy idiot like that can do it I think there is potential there. It is also interesting to note the 3rd party candidate got about 15 percent of the votes. If we could get that for a presidential candidate then I would take that as a huge victory.

I'd advocate promoting 3rd party candidates on the state/city level as well. This change is good for the big picture as it opens many minds and might produce a few honest politicians as governers, congressmen & senators.

Minnesota seems like a gimmick state with Al Franken & Jesse Ventura pulling major votes. Whatever works is fine with me but I think leaving the nomination up to the party would be the way we'd have to go. I mentioned celeb status helping in the OP but it was really just brainstorming ... this would really be out of our hands if we endorse an existing 3rd party. Creating a new one would be way out of my pay rate.

Let me know what you have in mind and I will do anything I can to help.

Thanks, I will but we're going to have to have some decent sized players get involved here for this to even get off the ground. Compared to some of the guys with 50M - 100M total pages indexed, I'm a pretty small player. Big enough to make some noise and push things in the right direction but not anywhere near equipped to handle this on the scale we need.

To give you an idea, I run a political site that got around 250 uniques a day during the past 2 months ... before that it pulled 30-50/day. To scale that to 1M uniques a month (good goal) it would take 1000 sites that size. Obviously that's not what we're shooting for but with the network's synergy, each site would get more visitors due to the link juice to rise up the SERPs ... so maybe 350 sites total.
 
Erect, unless you create a straightforward, simple proposition, which results in gain for the individuals involved then you won't get buy in. There is no such thing as the greater good - the american way is about creating a great society by letting everyone focus on their own well being. (take it from a Canadian. Btw, check out our various parties - want a Marxist-Leninist in your backyard? :-) )
 
Jesse Ventura for President in 2012 !

Read his books -"I Aint Got Time To Bleed" and "Don't Start The Revolution Without Me"
 
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I'm on board. I'm a lightweight getting things going in the AM world but I'm behind the concept and will do what I can to help.
 
Erect, unless you create a straightforward, simple proposition, which results in gain for the individuals involved then you won't get buy in. There is no such thing as the greater good - the american way is about creating a great society by letting everyone focus on their own well being. (take it from a Canadian. Btw, check out our various parties - want a Marxist-Leninist in your backyard? :-) )

Thanks for the input. Profit taking from the individual sites is totally acceptable and encouraged. I didn't mistake WFers as do-gooder charity volunteers.

A clear plan with easy steps will be set in place when the time is right. Now, I want to see if there is enough support ... I'll do my part and then some but I can not do this all by myself.
 
Frankly, I dont give a fuck who is in charge as long as its the smartest motherfucker out there. The most powerful nation should be led by the most intelligent people.

Oh! One thing though - gotta be pro choice. At least i have a chance not to marry them if the condom breaks. :)
 
His first four were a stunning success. He not only kept our economy afloat after 9/11 but he also detoured any other attacks by those wishing harm upon us.
His first four years were only good because of Clinton. Bush only got reelected because of 9/11, it was very predictable. Nothing but a large debt, crumbling economy, and a marginal war between iran, russia, n korea, and venezuela came out of his presidency

Untill this last year the economy has been putting out numbers that we have never seen before. He also won the war in Iraq and liberated a nation from a murderous tyrannt.
You mean playing battle ship in the middle east? Umm lets go for Afgan? uh no wait. Bush brought a new meaning to preemptive strikes and insane war bills

You can also credit him placing the most minorities in top government positions than ANY other president in history. This paved the way for your beloved Obama to be president.
What positions are you speaking of?
 
erect, you're not wasting your time but trying to win votes is a very short term strategy. You're also at the mercy of having no say in the quality of the product you are selling (3rd party candidates).

Why not either

1. Promote the websites of the third parties
2. Promote the message, either through your own sites or established sites (like LewRockwell, I usually socially promote liberty stuff).
3. If you are good at what you do, volunteer with some smaller congressional candidates who reflect your positions or opinions, and help develop their web message and traffic.

Personally, I am all about education. Educating myself, and then educating others. I think waking people up is a lot more rewarding then getting them to vote for "X" this time around. It's super important to reach young kids. They are the ones who will be voting for the next 60 or 70 years. They need to be equipped with knowledge about the issues, and to reject the celebrity game show atmosphere of campaigns.

And most important, run local. You have to be a candidate, or at least very aware of what your city council is doing. All politics is local.
 
So is this thread still alive ? Just ordered Freidman's classic "Capitalism and Freedom" since I don't have it anymore and my nether does my local or my university library.

India landed a hit on the moon, Italy developed a flying car, and GM is still begging for a bigger bailout. So sad.
 
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