Crazy Fucker Tries To Break In And Gets Blasted

[HardSale]

She killed him and she doesn't even know what he wanted.

Who gives a fuck what he wanted?? Who in the fuck are you clueless people??

He was fucking out of his mind and there was no telling what he would do. She's a scared old lady by herself IN HER OWN FUCKING HOUSE!!!

Every human being in the world has the right to defend their lives and their home, unfortunately left-wing pansy-asses like you make laws and criminals out of people just trying to protect their lives.

 

[justo_tx]

If you can't then how do we know if his murder was just or not?

That's my problem with your line of arguing right there, the word murder. The implication with the word "murder" is that she was just sitting around waiting for some unlucky bastard that she could get away with killing.

The implication of not just yours but others arguments being that if the woman didn't have the gun then the man would have saved his his sister (because what other intentions could he have?) and the three of them would have had a good laugh about the broken door jam and the misunderstanding over Christmas dinner.

 

[HardSale]

If you can't then how do we know if his murder was just or not?

It's not a murder unless she is convicted in a court of law for murder. Until then it is a homocide.

If the guy was just trying to get help, then it is indeed a tragedy, but that doesn't mean the woman acted wrongly.

It's Okla-fucking-homa. Just like the rest of the South and West, you can pretty much bet your ass if you break into someone's house, your ass is gonna get shot.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Who gives a fuck what he wanted?? Who in the fuck are you clueless people??

He was fucking out of his mind and there was no telling what he would do. She's a scared old lady by herself IN HER OWN FUCKING HOUSE!!!

Every human being in the world has the right to defend their lives and their home, unfortunately left-wing pansy-asses like you make laws and criminals out of people just trying to protect their lives.

She thought she was protecting her life maybe she wasn't.

He didn't even know she was in there... she could have run out, called the cops, and waited.

She could have been like (when he was standing outside) "what do you want, I have a shotgun pointed at your head". He would have had a chance to make his intentions clear and she wouldn't be in anymore danger than she previously was.

She could have fired a warning shot (assuming she doesn't see a gun on him).

Just remain invisible and ignorant of his intentions and then BOOM is one option. There were many other options though.

Of course, she was a scared old lady...however he's now dead.

Fucking righteous man. :thumbsup:

I mean I can easily imagine her pointing that shotgun at him and yelling "What the fuck do you want!". I couldn't have shot without at least asking this.

In the very end...it's tragic and I feel bad for this woman.

If it was my mom in this situation my first question (after consolation) would be, "What did he even want?". This woman doesn't even know the answer.

 

[Webwonder]

Like I've already posted, I wish there was more information because we don't really know what his intentions were. If he had bad intentions, then good, he got what he deserved but we don't know do we? I'm not going to praise anyone for fucking killing another human being. That's just fucking stupid.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

That's my problem with your line of arguing right there, the word murder. The implication with the word "murder" is that she was just sitting around waiting for some unlucky bastard that she could get away with killing.

The implication of not just yours but others arguments being that if the woman didn't have the gun then the man would have saved his his sister (because what other intentions could he have?) and the three of them would have had a good laugh about the broken door jam and the misunderstanding over Christmas dinner.

OK... replace murder with killing. Done. My mistake.

Like I've already posted, I wish there was more information because we don't really know what his intentions were. If he had bad intentions, then good, he got what he deserved but we don't know do we? I'm not going to praise anyone for fucking killing another human being. That's just fucking stupid.

Fucking exactly. +rep

We have to take a completely neutral stance because we simply don't know. Saying she was righteous is dumb, saying the criminal didn't deserve it is dumb too, we just don't know.

 

[justo_tx]

I'm not going to praise anyone for fucking killing another human being. That's just fucking stupid.

Of course you won't because you you don't think you will ever be in her situation. It's easy to be self righteous when it's other people being turned into statistics.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Of course you won't because you you don't think you will ever be in her situation. It's easy to be self righteous when it's other people being turned into statistics.

I think he means to praise this woman is stupid. (at least, that's what I took from it)

Do you think she performed a righteous act? How do you know?

To praise this woman for killing this man is...as Wonder put it "fucking stupid" because you don't know the man's intentions.

 

[hellblazer]

Honestly, some of the idiots on this thread sound like they've never encountered or known drug addicts before.

Here's a radical thought: what if the drugs caused the car crash?

And who bangs against a door without SAYING A FUCKING WORD? Did you hear a single word on that tape?

If I was trying to get help(which is totally made up speculation by apologists for this drug addict btw), I would be yelling "Hello? Anybody home? My sister's a drug addict and happened to have an overdose!!"

Seriously, the creeps that have emerged to defile this thread disgust me. Without a shred of proof, they have leapt to the defense of a drug addict who violently broke into a woman's house and suffered the consequences.

And they dare to put themselves into her position and nitpick her actions. It's sickening. Keep your fucking mouth shut. How many of you are a 50-year old woman, who's been woken up in the middle of the night by a lunatic smashing your window? And you're alone in the house.

Drugs fuck you up. They make you do crazy shit, like smashing into somebody's house in the middle of the night. That's just an obvious fact. The mental gyrations some people are trying to do in order to absolve this lunatic is becoming embarrassing, quite frankly.

Honestly, just keep your fucking mouths shut before making yourselves look like even bigger fools. You're just making pure shit up to defend this drug addicted lunatic. And why? Because you've been indoctrinated and ingrained with an ideology that says owning guns and defending your property are evil concepts - and all the garbage flowing from your mouths derives from those twisted notions. Wow dude, let a patriot rest.

 

[greenleaves]

Ok so looking just at gun owners are they more likely to shoot themselves or be murdered? That info would only be useful if we also knew how many gun owners have successfully defended themselves from being murdered, is there any data available about that?

You can't measure it by gun ownership, but by how many hoseholds have a gun, since many accidental gun shootings are by non-owners (kids playing, etc). About 50% of US households have at least one gun. So adjust for the numbers there is a 1648 accidental gun deaths for the same 18,000 murders that happen. So the argument of 'for every one of those there are one accidental shooting' is typical anti gun bullshit.

Anti gun people give the same arguments to the point where I know them all. Shoot one at me, and I will blast it down with REALITY!

I would have been like I have a shotgun here you better get the fuck outta here. Depending on his response to this I may or may not shoot him.

Good to hear you like to get shot. Because if you know ANYTHING about guns, you would know you don't let an attacker know where you are, or what you have. Telling them to 'fuck outta here' could end up with you getting shot because he got the first chance. So if you don't mind risking your life to possibly save the life of a person BREAKING into your house, that is your dilemma. I'd rather be safe.

Odds are though that he was a nut fuck...but still... shoot first and ask questions later is fucking retarded. Now she has to live with herself and she's not even sure what the man was doing.

Umm, did you not hear the video? He was trying to break in! He wasn't screaming for help, he was trying to break in. She did know what his intentions were. To break in. Now whetever he was going to do inside is anybodys guess... but since you are such a wonderful person, I'm guessing you would have waited to find out right, at your own risk, and possibly of your loved ones?

Maybe he was acting like a maniac because he was:

- high

- desperately trying to save his sister.

- assumed no one was in the house (since she didn't make her presence known) hence, goes on to bang the door down.

And this is the lady's fault how? If you fuck up you pay the consequences. Whatever his ultimate intentions were, he fucked up and paid the consequence. That is what the real world is about. Get over it!

Assume you were:

- high

- desperately trying to save your sister

- trying to break into an apparently empty house to call the police (I can actually imagine myself in this scenario...no cell phone, no one else around, extremely desperate etc.)

All of a sudden BOOM!.... The house wasn't empty...

If I was and I got shot, so be it. It was MY CONSCIOUS decision to get high. You can't live with the consequences? Then don't do the things that lead to them.

I'm not going to praise anyone for fucking killing another human being. That's just fucking stupid.

I'm not praising her for killing the guy. I'm praising her for having the guts to protect herself in a society of fucking wimps like UnripeArbiter who can't seem to accept that if you fuck up, you will pay for it. Fucking pussies like that seem to think SHE should bear the burden of risk when this guy was trying to BREAK into her house. The idiocy is beyond words.

 

[Webwonder]

Honestly, some of the idiots on this thread sound like they've never encountered or known drug addicts before.

Here's a radical thought: what if the drugs caused the car crash?

And who bangs against a door without SAYING A FUCKING WORD? Did you hear a single word on that tape?

If I was trying to get help(which is totally made up speculation by apologists for this drug addict btw), I would be yelling "Hello? Anybody home? My sister's a drug addict and happened to have an overdose!!"

Seriously, the creeps that have emerged to defile this thread disgust me. Without a shred of proof, they have leapt to the defense of a drug addict who violently broke into a woman's house and suffered the consequences.

And they dare to put themselves into her position and nitpick her actions. It's sickening. Keep your fucking mouth shut. How many of you are a 50-year old woman, who's been woken up in the middle of the night by a lunatic smashing your window? And you're alone in the house.

Drugs fuck you up. They make you do crazy shit, like smashing into somebody's house in the middle of the night. That's just an obvious fact. The mental gyrations some people are trying to do in order to absolve this lunatic is becoming embarrassing, quite frankly.

Honestly, just keep your fucking mouths shut before making yourselves look like even bigger fools. You're just making pure shit up to defend this drug addicted lunatic. And why? Because you've been indoctrinated and ingrained with an ideology that says owning guns and defending your property are evil concepts - and all the garbage flowing from your mouths derives from those twisted notions. Wow dude, let a patriot rest.

You sound arrogant. There is no proof that he was on drugs and there to rob/hurt her but since you assume it, it must be true huh? He probably was up to no good but we don't fucking know do we? If you do have some proof then post it or stfu already until more information is released.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

First, the garbage flowing through my mouth isn't derived from an ideology that says owning guns is evil...I own two.

Here's a radical thought: what if the drugs caused the car crash?

That's probably the case, so ok.

And who bangs against a door without SAYING A FUCKING WORD? Did you hear a single word on that tape?

He banged on the door and got no response...who would he be yelling at?

Maybe, he said something before the call was made...who knows?

Maybe, as soon as he got there he started banging and yelling "I need help!". Then...he resorted to patio furniture after no response. Maybe.

If I was trying to get help, which is totally made up speculation by apologists for this drug addict btw, I would be yelling "Hello? Anybody home? My sister's a drug addict and happened to have an overdose!!"

Maybe, he did yell those things when she was asleep... (so she never heard his intentions) By the time we hear anything she is just whispering and he has, by this time, resorted to flinging patio furniture.

(he never, as far as I know, get a verbal response from this woman...he may very well have thought it was an empty house.)

Wow dude, let a patriot rest.

This is my main problem with this thread of yours....

You posted this because you think its fucking righteous and it champions the 2nd amendment.

It isn't the case. For it to be the case this would have to be clearly righteous and it isn't.

 

[justo_tx]

I think he means to praise this woman is stupid. (at least, that's what I took from it)
....
To praise this woman for killing this man is...as Wonder put it "fucking stupid" because you don't know the man's intentions.

I understood what he meant and I still praise the woman for defending herself and not allowing herself to become a victim, that the other dude died instead of being wounded or running off is immaterial.

Do you think she performed a righteous act? How do you know?

My problem with this question is the same as with my problem with you using the word "murder" to characterize her actions. It's this kind of thinking that ends crafting legislation to take away people's right to protect themselves because like you said "How do you know?", and hence the decision needs to be taken away from us. The legislators that craft the laws and the voters that pass them never have to apologize to the victims when they are at a disadvantage to criminals who break the law. They get written off as statistics and we as a society as a whole get to feel smug because we think we have risen above the barbarism that necessitates keeping a gun.

Was it a righteous act? Look up the definition of "righteous" and tell me how that even applies to this scenario. Was it the correct action, given the scenario and information available? Yes. Was she justified? Yes.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

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The only point I want to make is this wasn't a 100% clearly righteous kill.

Hellblazer, being the right winger he is, wants to post this story as a champion of the second amendment. It's silly.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

I understood what he meant and I still praise the woman for defending herself and not allowing herself to become a victim, that the other dude died instead of being wounded or running off is immaterial.

My problem with this question is the same as with my problem with you using the word "murder" to characterize her actions. It's this kind of thinking that ends crafting legislation to take away people's right to protect themselves because like you said "How do you know?", and hence the decision needs to be taken away from us. The legislators that craft the laws and the voters that pass them never have to apologize to the victims when they are at a disadvantage to criminals who break the law. They get written off as statistics and we as a society as a whole get to feel smug because we think we have risen above the barbarism that necessitates keeping a gun.

Was it a righteous act? Look up the definition of "righteous" and tell me how that even applies to this scenario. Was it the correct action, given the scenario and information available? Yes. Was she justified? Yes.

Law is pretty clear about one's right to protection.

When we ask the question... "Is this righteous/justified?". We look to these laws for our answer.

If we determine it was righteous/justified according to laws on the books the outcome won't determine if the rest of us should own guns or not...

So I don't understand your problem of me asking the question "Was this righteous?". This is pretty much what the courts do... So do you have a problem with the courts?

 

[justo_tx]

Law is pretty clear about one's right to protection.

When we ask the question... "Is this righteous/justified?". We look to these laws for our answer.

If we determine it was righteous/justified according to laws on the books the outcome won't determine if the rest of us should own guns or not...

So I don't understand your problem of me asking the question "Was this righteous?". This is pretty much what the courts do... So do you have a problem with the courts?

So if the law is clear about the right to protection then your whole line of questioning is rhetorical no? It was obviously a righteous action by your logic.

 

[hellblazer]

The only point I want to make is this wasn't a 100% clearly righteous kill.

Hellblazer, being the right winger he is, wants to post this story as a champion of the second amendment. It's silly.

Listen troll, weirdos like you would have been happier if this woman would have been robbed, beaten or raped.

Than at least we would have known the exact thoughts that were percolating in this criminal's mind. Thank heavens! We wouldn't have had to spend sleepless nights wondering what was going through the drug addicts mind as he flung a table through a poor woman's window.

I don't give a fuck if this guy was having a heart attack. The minute you trespass on someone's property, you're committing a crime. The minute you break into somebody's house, you're committing a greater crime and fully deserve whatever happens. Furthermore, you should EXPECT to get blasted with gunfire. It doesn't matter what's happening - the right to property and the right to defend your property are core American ideals and principles.

This man was a criminal and suffered the totally predictable consequences. This woman was forced into a position and made the right decision. She's an American patriot. Trolls like you are choosing the side of a drug addicted criminal in order to defend your sick ideology of liberalism and its extremely disturbing. Now go crawl back down the hole you came from.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

So if the law is clear about the right to protection then your whole line of questioning is rhetorical no? It was obviously a righteous action by your logic.

Are you a lawyer?

Yes, you have the right to protect yourself. Question is...was she protecting herself? It's not clear to me.

Luckily it's, de facto, not clear for the courts also.

Despite it not being clear to me... I totally feel for this woman.

I'm just saying when it comes for the courts to decide if this is ultimately a justified action...well we'll have to wait for the courts to decide.

The law doesn't say you can shoot anyone that enters your house for any reason. It says you have the right to protect yourself, essentially.

So must we leave it to the courts to decide... I think it's silly though for this story to be used to get all right wing righteous(coming from Hellblazer...you know that's all it was).

 

[Rusky]

^^^
You ever heard of common sense.
The law set OJ Simpson free. Smarty pants.

If that was your grandma on the phone. Would you tell her to put the gun down, gather and process the facts, ask the men what his intentions are, maybe even call the a lawyer for some legal advise?

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Listen troll, weirdos like you would have been happier if this woman would have been robbed, beaten or raped.

Not the case. Asshole.

You live in such a black and white world.

This man was either going to be shot and killed or this woman would have been robbed, beaten, and raped. This is what you think.

Thinking this, it's clear. Shoot him.

The simple black and white world of Hellblazer and his side of the aisle.

Conservatives see black and white.

Liberals see countless shades in between. Each shade needs to be thought of independently and isn't the same as the other shades.

You think this was a black and white case, shoot him to prevent robbery, rape etc. This is how you see every single one of these cases... then you trumpet them for your own political desires.

Fucking shades of grey man. This man's intentions weren't clear.

Take the trumpet out of your ass.