F*ckin Arab Terrorists

[lukep]

Nah, just saying if you've got a nice house, nice car, money in your pocket and a decent set of titties to squeeze you're going to be a fuck load harder to convince to walk into a primary school and blow yourself up, Koran or no Koran.

Those would be the Political reasons. We have poor folks in most other parts of the world too, (look at the rest of Asia) why aren't they so violent and full of hate?

Proving terrorists are cunts doesn't make them any less cunts, and I think that's more the point we were discussing above - and how the trend may be reversed.

There is no way to reverse the trend without one of the following:

A. Removing the Incentive for the elites of their society to use their poor for destruction.

B. Removing the tool (Islam) that they control their poor with.

C. Raising the standards of their poor. (About a googol dollars should do it...)

D. Killing them all.

 

[emp]

Actually, raising the level of education and financial well-being would turn a lot of those terrorists around.

I also fail to understand how blowing up civilians for political reasons is somehow better than for religious reasons (leaving the fact out of the way that those are intertwined most of the time).

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[lukep]

Actually, raising the level of education and financial well-being would turn a lot of those terrorists around.

Well, there is only about 50 Trillion Dollars in existence globally at this time.

The vast majority of that money, if not all of it, would be spent on separating these people, 23% of the global population (1.57 billion) from the source of their brainwashing. To do so you'd need to feed and house each one individually, likely after using guns to liberate them in the first place.

This would very much be a bloody military effort. They ain't gonna take your leaflets seriously.

I also fail to understand how blowing up civilians for political reasons is somehow better than for religious reasons (leaving the fact out of the way that those are intertwined most of the time).

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Because political reasons and situations are by nature temporary. Nobody kills anyone today for a Political event 2,000 years ago!


Politics - A REASON to do bad things.
Religion - Both a Reason and a TOOL to make others do bad things too.

 

[jeffrey]

Sounds to me like you guys are trying to turn it into racism and Political issues; meanwhile the Koran is over 19% Kill Kill Kill the infidel.

Do you have evidence to back that up or are you just pulling that number out of your ass? It's funny how a large portion of Americans feel that Muslims are all radical terrorists when in reality the majority of them are decent people. You've got your extremists yes and the percentage is probably larger then other religions, but the majority of Muslims around the world just want to be left alone to live their life and follow their religion. That's not really directed all at you Luke, just the first sentence.

 

[emp]

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The vast majority of that money, if not all of it, would be spent on separating these people, 23% of the global population (1.57 billion) from the source of their brainwashing. To do so you'd need to feed and house each one individually, likely after using guns to liberate them in the first place.
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I do not think that is necessary.

Educating people normally makes them more immune to brainwashing.
After all, the bible and Christianity have NOT been removed from the US or Europe, but we managed to break out of the church's stranglehold anyway. (We haven't staged a crusade in a while, AFAIK)

What is necessary is a secular state (division of church and state), education and food and housing for all.

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[Eldarion]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJRPZ3Noqg]YouTube - The Koran Challenge[/ame]

Randomly open the Koran, the book of islam, and it is almost certain that there will be an aggressive passage about non-muslims, unbelievers on that page.

 

[lukep]

Do you have evidence to back that up or are you just pulling that number out of your ass?

I don't like pulling numbers from there; it makes my hands stinky...

Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30), so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)? About 19% of the Quran is devoted to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims:

(Then 20 different versus of the Koran are given in example and each one sounds disgusting.)

It's funny how a large portion of Americans feel that Muslims are all radical terrorists when in reality the majority of them are decent people. You've got your extremists yes and the percentage is probably larger then other religions, but the majority of Muslims around the world just want to be left alone to live their life and follow their religion. That's not really directed all at you Luke, just the first sentence.

In America they are tame because we'd kill them if they did what their book said for them to do. The numbers show very clearly that as the numbers of Muslims rises as a population percentage, the more violent they are. -We are the low end of that and all actual muslims in America today are basically insane trying to rectify their Korans with the world around them.

 

[lukep]

I do not think that is necessary.

Educating people normally makes them more immune to brainwashing.

Ok then; Let's just invite them all over to a school we build nearby that doesn't teach the Koran.

Even if it was free to build the schools; they'd be blown up and all construction folk murdered before completion.

This is extremely Naive thinking, emp. How would you propose to get any education in to those open to it?

 

[jeffrey]

I don't like pulling numbers from there; it makes my hands stinky...

(Then 20 different versus of the Koran are given in example and each one sounds disgusting.)


In America they are tame because we'd kill them if they did what their book said for them to do. The numbers show very clearly that as the numbers of Muslims rises as a population percentage, the more violent they are. -We are the low end of that and all actual muslims in America today are basically insane trying to rectify their Korans with the world around them.

You truly believe that all Muslims are radical terrorists that want to exterminate the rest of us? Get off hellblazer's dick bro.

 

[lukep]

You truly believe that all Muslims are radical terrorists that want to exterminate the rest of us?

As I just got finished explaining, the ones here are at odds with their teachings. -I don't consider them terrorists; but their bible tells them they are going to hell if they don't become terrorists and it must be very hard for them.

Imagine if the Christian bible said your village must murder one outsider a day for you to go to heaven... And throughout history your ancestors have done so.

But then one day you move somewhere where YOU are the outsider; how can you possibly justify the bible anymore? -You'd go drooling insane trying to make it work with your new surroundings.

 

[Moxie]

Ireland / UK
Bombings, Shootings, etc.. - Been on for fucking decades! - Christians

That pretty much stopped, especially after 9/11 when the IRA said they would no longer use violence.

Most Christian terrorism is now in Africa. Look at the videos I linked to for some examples.

You're Indian, right? The National Liberation Front of Tripura is listed as a Christian terrorist group there.

 

[jeffrey]

As I just got finished explaining, the ones here are at odds with their teachings. -I don't consider them terrorists; but their bible tells them they are going to hell if they don't become terrorists and it must be very hard for them.

Imagine if the Christian bible said your village must murder one outsider a day for you to go to heaven... And throughout history your ancestors have done so.

But then one day you move somewhere where YOU are the outsider; how can you possibly justify the bible anymore? -You'd go drooling insane trying to make it work with your new surroundings.

I get what you are saying and the point you are trying to make but you are putting it in a very tinfoil hat kind of way. There is well over a billion muslims worldwide, they don't all follow the Koran word for word just like a christian doesn't follow the bible word for word.

 

[lukep]

There is well over a billion muslims worldwide, they don't all follow the Koran word for word just like a christian doesn't follow the bible word for word.

Remember I'm an Atheist when I say this:

The Christian Bible & the Torah: "Thou Shalt Not Kill." -And they mean any human life at all. Further moral passages throughout the entire two books talk over and over again about having respect for all life.

The Koran: 'Kill, Kill, KILL anyone who is not Muslim, or that you cannot keep as a slave.'

On virtually every page of their most holy text they give reasons for and incitement to killing non-Muslims. It is an entire environment that breeds extreme xenophobia, and of course terrorism.

I really don't see any other way to take it. There isn't much left to the Koran at all once you take out the passages that are suitable for modern society... It'd be as long as a fortune cookie!

 

[Ar Scion]

Not by the higher ups it isn't, but they're using religious reasons as a motivator to get the underlings to do these bombings. The people carrying out these bombings largely do it for religious reasons because they've been brainwashed.

I'd debate that as well.

Part of it is religion.

Part of it is just unnatural empathy. They look at arabs dying in wars and conflicts and feel like their own brothers are getting killed. Then then enact their revenge fantasy by escalating the conflict.

This mechanism isn't religious, it's purely psychosocial.

 

[emp]

Actually, the bible tells you to kill people for a lot of reasons - most Christians choose nto to.

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[lukep]

Actually, the bible tells you to kill people for a lot of reasons

Wow, I missed that part.

You don't mean that some character like Jobe was told by god to kill one time, do you? Or that "eye for an eye" nonsense...

You mean the 'good' book actually says "Kill ppl in this situation." ? Love to see that reference. Should be a slam-dunk argument for the death sentence here in the states among christians.

 

[d_diggler]

What ever the reasons - what ever the solution:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI"]YouTube - "Open Season" - Stuck Mojo[/ame]

 

[avatar33]

@lukep here's a website for ya, full of knowledge: Evil Bible Home Page

you'll go to bed tonight with a new perspective on things.

[...]It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.[...]

 

[lukep]

@lukep here's a website for ya, full of knowledge: Evil Bible Home Page

you'll go to bed tonight with a new perspective on things.

Oh Man; I did NOT need another reason to hate christians...

LOL at the Mike Huckabee page on that site under Idiot of the Month awards...

-Even from this reference though, you gotta admit, Islam is still far, far more evil and encouraging of murder/slavery/rape/pedophilia/etc. -These things all happened in the Bible, with god's approval at one point in time, but they weren't laws that the christian god put forth for us to always follow.

Allah was basically saying: "Killing Infidels and raping their 6-year-old children buys your way into heaven!" -That's a bit harsh even for the old testament.

 

[Vadym]