Fall of the Republic

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r3p1v I read your comment and it's good to see others are aware of current events. There's far more involved it this subject than can be quickly typed on a forum in a few minutes. I'd advise people to view the above posted video's.

I've watched Peter Schiff before and he has a very good handle on happenings. But wasn't he running for office?
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First ubot and now this garbage? Bartard is out of his fucking mind.
It's the Barman you never knew.

Here's the whole thing, watching now... It's more EndGame style shit but whatever I enjoy learning everyone's views including this one.
Endgame was truly fucking terrifying. That was some scary shit. This one and the last one Jones did, not so much.

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Yeah, w/e. I'm stupid because I have a different opinion right? I don't feel like arguing. Just watch what happens. Sure there will be some inflation, big deal. The dollar will most likely be fine in the long run.

I doubt you're personally stupid, but what you wrote was extremely retarded. Did you listen to the Peter Schiff video? The Depression was NOT caused by lack of government intervention, contrary to popular belief; it was exacerbated by FDR's meddling. By his price fixing, his trade wars, etc.. What you didn't seem to understand is that 'bailout' has come to mean quasi-nationalization.

How else can the government dictate salary caps at private companies that received 'bailout' money? How was the government able to fire the CEO of GM, a 'bailed out' company? We didn't 'bail out' these companies, because such a concept is ludicrous; we semi-nationalized them and now we're effectively on the board, making business decisions.

Like Schiff said, Bernanke has the printing presses running fullstop. The interest rate is at zero percent; in other words, money is free. And the Fed is buying Treasury notes; we're buying our own money. Nobody else wants Treasuries; foreign central banks don't want to subsidize our debt any longer. If you shrugged off that short Peter Schiff clip without listening to it, I'd recommend going back and just listening for a couple minutes. The man is a genius in my opinion.

So what it comes down to is that we're flooding the market with dollars, and there's no possible way to survive that. The dollar will steadily decline, until it accelerates its drop. THEN you'll see hyperinflation. You just have to laugh at these people that didn't trust a word Bush said, but when you mention things like this or nuclear disarmament, they respond with "No, no...they've got a plan they're not telling us about."

The blind faith in the strength of the government is amazing. I'm hardly an economist, but even I can see when our national currency is degrading before our very eyes.
 
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I'm really open-minded.

But I just can't see a nation 300 million strong falling to it's knees so quickly...
 
I doubt you're personally stupid, but what you wrote was extremely retarded. Did you listen to the Peter Schiff video? The Depression was NOT caused by lack of government intervention, contrary to popular belief; it was exacerbated by FDR's meddling. By his price fixing, his trade wars, etc.. What you didn't seem to understand is that 'bailout' has come to mean quasi-nationalization.

How else can the government dictate salary caps at private companies that received 'bailout' money? How was the government able to fire the CEO of GM, a 'bailed out' company? We didn't 'bail out' these companies, because such a concept is ludicrous; we semi-nationalized them and now we're effectively on the board, making business decisions.

Like Schiff said, Bernanke has the printing presses running fullstop. The interest rate is at zero percent; in other words, money is free. And the Fed is buying Treasury notes; we're buying our own money. Nobody else wants Treasuries; foreign central banks don't want to subsidize our debt any longer. If you shrugged off that short Peter Schiff clip without listening to it, I'd recommend going back and just listening for a couple minutes. The man is a genius in my opinion.

So what it comes down to is that we're flooding the market with dollars, and there's no possible way to survive that. The dollar will steadily decline, until it accelerates its drop. THEN you'll see hyperinflation. You just have to laugh at these people that didn't trust a word Bush said, but when you mention things like this or nuclear disarmament, they respond with "No, no...they've got a plan they're not telling us about."

The blind faith in the strength of the government is amazing. I'm hardly an economist, but even I can see when our national currency is degrading before our very eyes.

Yeah, it's too bad people can't figure shit out for themselves. The USA is moving into unsustainable debts it will not be able to pay back. We better enjoy the low interest rates while they last. As soon as inflation sets in the shit is really going to hit the fan. People will need a dump truck full of money just to purchase a car.

This stuff really does make you scratch your head. It's obvious the government has some hidden agenda going on. They sure railroaded that 750 billion through pretty fast. After the bill passed, they decided to just sit on a shit load of money.
 
I doubt you're personally stupid, but what you wrote was extremely retarded. Did you listen to the Peter Schiff video? The Depression was NOT caused by lack of government intervention, contrary to popular belief; it was exacerbated by FDR's meddling. By his price fixing, his trade wars, etc.. What you didn't seem to understand is that 'bailout' has come to mean quasi-nationalization.

How else can the government dictate salary caps at private companies that received 'bailout' money? How was the government able to fire the CEO of GM, a 'bailed out' company? We didn't 'bail out' these companies, because such a concept is ludicrous; we semi-nationalized them and now we're effectively on the board, making business decisions.

Like Schiff said, Bernanke has the printing presses running fullstop. The interest rate is at zero percent; in other words, money is free. And the Fed is buying Treasury notes; we're buying our own money. Nobody else wants Treasuries; foreign central banks don't want to subsidize our debt any longer. If you shrugged off that short Peter Schiff clip without listening to it, I'd recommend going back and just listening for a couple minutes. The man is a genius in my opinion.

So what it comes down to is that we're flooding the market with dollars, and there's no possible way to survive that. The dollar will steadily decline, until it accelerates its drop. THEN you'll see hyperinflation. You just have to laugh at these people that didn't trust a word Bush said, but when you mention things like this or nuclear disarmament, they respond with "No, no...they've got a plan they're not telling us about."

The blind faith in the strength of the government is amazing. I'm hardly an economist, but even I can see when our national currency is degrading before our very eyes.

Yes I have heard Peter Schiff talk about hyperinflation several times. IMO he holds a very radical view that is extremely unlikely to happen. I have seen him on a few news stations and the people on the news stations seem to treat him like he is crazy and I can understand why. I don't know the future, maybe he is right, but I highly doubt it.
 
There will always be rising stars on the economic front. China and India are on the rise now. Before them, it was Japan and Taiwan. The world is developing a global economy and the USA will learn to compete on the world stage, it has to to keep its share of customers on the world stage. Some country or other will be the leader on every market. No country will be number one in all markets. Cheap labor will be a factor giving populous countries an advantage. Technical skill will be another factor that gives the educated an advantage. Science will play a role in invention and will be yet another factor. My point is that in the world economy, there is room for many countries to succeed. It is no longer about us vs them, but rather it is us using our strengths to compete in the markets that favor the advantages we have, while relinquishing those products and services where we are at a disadvantage.
 
I never liked all this shit. But even if just parts of what they say happen or if their true were in for a messed up future...

That's the thing with these though - when is the future? They've been saying much of the same over and over for years. You can at least go back to the John Birch Society in the 50s and 60s. Everyone from Dwight Eisenhower to Martin Luther King were part of the big plot that was going to destroy the USA.

Y2K was suppose to have been the final master plan. Alex Jones and his advertisers benefited more from it than did Clinton, Putin, Bush, and their army of black helicopters.

Powerful corporations and groups do things that the major media doesn't cover and you can learn about some of that from videos like this. In order to remain powerful though, these groups need millions of Americans able to buy a ton of shit.
 
IMO he holds a very radical view that is extremely unlikely to happen.
Why is it unlikely? I have my own view on it, but I would like to understand how you came to this conclusion.

As far as people treating him like he is crazy, he has been right for the better part of 4 years now. No one believed him when he talked about gold $1000. No one believed him when he said the stock market would crash, or that real estate was in an unsustainable boom. If you take your investing and business cues from the people who treat him like he is crazy...
 
I follow Peter Schiff and Ron Paul but Alex Jones has said so much stuff that never does come true that after awhile you can't believe him. I put him in the category of Hannity, Limbaugh, Olberman, etc. They all play on certain sides of political beliefs and beliefs period to make money. They all believe what they say to a certain point but know how to push peoples buttons to get them going and keep up with the information they give out.
 
Why is it unlikely? I have my own view on it, but I would like to understand how you came to this conclusion.

As far as people treating him like he is crazy, he has been right for the better part of 4 years now. No one believed him when he talked about gold $1000. No one believed him when he said the stock market would crash, or that real estate was in an unsustainable boom. If you take your investing and business cues from the people who treat him like he is crazy...

The government/fed can do a lot of things to defend the dollar. They are not just going to sit there and watch it become worthless. I’m sure they would fight just as hard to save the dollar as they did the stock market/banks/economy. They have said that they have exit strategies for stuff that they have done and will perform them. Although they are not perfect, so there is a risk of it happening. I still remember Bernanke saying the housing market would be “contained”. I’m sure they realize the risk of inflation here though.

I’m not that great at history, but I doubt this is even close to the most stressful thing the dollar has ever been through.

I like to hear people’s opinions on the markets, but I don’t make decisions based on what people in the news are saying. I watch the markets and what’s going on and make my own decisions. I have noticed over the past few weeks everything is very focused on the dollar as it continues to weaken and gold, oil, and stocks head higher. So maybe it’s time for the fed to start reversing, raising rates, and w/e else it is they do.
 
The government/fed can do a lot of things to defend the dollar. They are not just going to sit there and watch it become worthless. I’m sure they would fight just as hard to save the dollar as they did the stock market/banks/economy.
They haven't done anything for the economy. The government doesn't actually produce anything. All it does is redistribute resources. It takes from A and gives to B. Shuffles stuff around. If governments could create anything, then the Soviet Union would still be around. The wealthiest countries would be Cuba and China.

All wealth is created in the private sector.

They didn't save anything except bankrupt institutions from going bankrupt, by taking money from the healthy portions of the economy and redistributing it to the insolvent parts.

It doesn't matter if they fight. If the various sovereign wealth funds switch to another currency, IMF special drawing rights, or a basket of commodities, then there is nothing they can do. Poof. Hyperinflation.

The Schiff thesis in 2006, was exactly what we are seeing today. They have brought rates down so low, that they can't raise them, and yet rates are so low, the dollar is sinking. They are in a catch 22. Raise rates, destroy the stock market and banks. Keep rates low, destroy the dollar.

This is what happens to every fiat currency over the long run. Eventually, the government prints its way to a currency crisis. Why? Because a government that can't deliver SS checks and pay for medicare, which can't pay for oil, or the wages of its troops, collapses. No one willingly pays taxes to (or votes for) a government which can't provide basic services.

So the government will do the only thing it can do. Print money. Hyperinflation.

They have said that they have exit strategies for stuff that they have done and will perform them.
Bob Murphy, who is the author of the Politically Incorrect Guide to the Great Depression and a brilliant economist, explained a couple weeks ago in Greenville NC at a conference that there is no exit strategy. (MP3)

I’m not that great at history, but I doubt this is even close to the most stressful thing the dollar has ever been through.
The US dollar defaulted twice. Once under FDR, when he revalued the dollar from $20/ounce of gold, to $35/ounce of gold, and then again under Nixon, when the dollar went completely off the gold standard.

As it is strictly a fiat paper dollar now with absolutely no tangible backing, the next default is the last one. There is nothing to revalue paper to. This is the most stress because there is nowhere to fall back to if there is a dollar default.

I have noticed over the past few weeks everything is very focused on the dollar as it continues to weaken and gold, oil, and stocks head higher. So maybe it’s time for the fed to start reversing, raising rates, and w/e else it is they do.
It's strictly pie in the sky thinking that the same assholes who have devalued the dollar by over 33% since 2002 are now going to save it. That they were just fooling around by bringing the dollar and the economy to the brink of crisis. That they were showing off for everyone what masters of the universe they are.

You're entitled to believe whatever you want. But if you're smart, you'll cover your ass. Worst case scenario, you're right and Schiff is wrong. Bernanke really is the master of the universe, and Obama can feed the many with only 7 fish and 7 loaves of bread.

In 1988, the Soviet Union was a super power feared the world over.

In 1990, it no longer existed.

I'm sure there were lots of communist party apparatchiks in 1988 who still thought that the central planners could save the currency.
 
I think we will see some sort of high inflation in the next 2-3 years, not sure if it will be hyper-inflation African style but I think we will see the dollar be worth next to nothing on the global market. Best thing to do now is just offset 20-30% of your investments into euros, yen, gold, and silver.
 
What assures me that America is finished is that the majority of people actually dismiss videos such as this as bogus. Majority of the information in Alex Jones' work is documented, provable, basic American history and just plain common sense. There is hardly any doubt left to any educated, thinking human being. All you have to do is go to Google, type a few of the main points in (Federal Reserve, Fascism, Operation Paperclip, etc), and realize that you've been had since day 1.

And yet look what we have. People doing everything they can to discredit and ignore the guy to continue their lifestyle of serfdom. This is just the tip of the iceberg insofar as the conspiracy is concerned and yet people still deny the ABC's of their enslavement - they haven't even seen the real story. It just fascinates me how complacent, apathetic and downright stupid most people really are.

Ludwig Von Mises said it best: "In every age and in every country, the people of every nation have always supported a dictator."
 
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