Gary Johnson AMA

Am I? What individual has ever committed genocide? If you say Hitler, that was a STATE. No individual can pull it off of they wanted to. And war isn't profitable when it's not funded from stealing from the population.

EDIT:There's no way you watched that video in the time between our posts.


“In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day.” Jacques Cousteau

Did he really say it? Who knows.... the thing is that one person that wants it can accomplish it with the right chemical attack or viral attack. There are people that are crazy. People that are convinced that depopulation is the right thing to do in order to save the earth or save the rest of the population or whatever.

You ask what person has committed genocide aside from being a part of a state? Maybe there are none. It does not mean that there are not those that want to do it.

As far as the video goes - there is mention of genocide by Albright. And? I get that she is Govt. It does to negate the point that there are crazy people and one of them might just want it too.
 


It does to negate the point that there are crazy people and one of them might just want it too.

If there's ever a chemical attack by an individual or militant group I guarantee you it'd be be retaliation for Government actions. For every innocent we kill in war, we create 10 new enemies.

The probability of genocide happening BECAUSE of Government are greater by magnitudes of scale than any psychotic individual doing it on his own. I'm not trying to argue with you. Read the books I linked to above when you get the time. It's thought provoking stuff, even if you insist on a need for the state.
 
How easy is it to make candy versus start a Security force, jails, and trained personnel?

You clearly missed the point of that analogy.

So how many entrants will there be? How will I know about this new force? How will I know they are better?

Do you apply this same criteria to restaurants too? More choices are worse than many? Is it better to just have the cashier pick for you?

At best there would be limited choices of a few security forces who would be sabotaging each other to make themselves look better.

Quite an assumption. A fair one though, considering governments do this too.

How can you not see the potential for corruption.

So a few companies are corrupt. People find out, they go out of business.

Government IS corrupt too. Government enjoys zero accountability for it. How is that better?

It's no better than a Govt force held accountable by other jurisdictional agencies and civilian oversight. Why do you think the same lazy citizens in our current system will all of the sudden be diligent in selecting a new force? The incumbent would probably be selected over and over. How is that better.

Suppose you use a car insurance company, every friend and relative you know using the same company, who has had accidents that they were not at fault for, ended up paying out of their own pockets because that insurance company refused to accept the valid claims?

Wouldn't you drop that insurance company ASAP?

Free markets are not to be worshiped. They are the best system, but you need to understand their limitations.

I do understand their limitations, but I understand that their limitations still far exceed governments capabilities.

I doubt that.

Selfless people are rarely media whores. Unlike police. So, if your opinion if forged by what you read in the paper, its understandable that you would reach that conclusion.

It is not victimless. If it were legal it might be more victimless, but since it is illegal it is full of victims. Investigate the Mexican Cartels. There are victims. Drug users are not any more innocent than the Govt they despise for going to war. Seems like all of them are killing people in other countries.

By that logic, all tax payers should be in jail too. The more you have paid in taxes, the more time you should serve. Tax dollars have a lot more blood on them than drug money does.

Drug crimes are not the only victim-less either. Who is the victim when you are arrested over your personal garden? Who is the victim when you own a gun for self-defense that our local authorities have prohibited? Who is the victim when you just want to buy or sell raw milk?

Maybe, but still true. I have more recourse with the Govt than I will against some Anarchist tribunal made up of those that disagree with something, anything that I am doing.

There wouldn't be an anarchist tribunal. That doesn't even make sense.

You say that no one intrudes on others? What happens then when I divert water to my new lake on my property and mess up your irrigation downstream? What happens when I ride my motorcycle at 5AM in my front yard and you want to sleep? Ther are a million stupid yet simple examples of how Anarchists will never get along.

Actually, I said in anarchy you don't impose *beliefs* on others. Meaning, if your neighbors are of same gender and say they are married, you can't go and throw them in a cage because you read in the bible that God didn't like that.

I don't have enough information on the irrigation issue. Where is it coming from? Why couldn't we arrange something between the two of us? Why would government be necessary to resolve that?

If you're riding your motorcycle at 5AM, I personally wouldn't call the police over that. I think that's a petty and childish response. If you're doing it to be a jerk, I'll respond appropriately, without running to "I can't believe its not daddy".

I think you are an atheist because you believe in and trust "Man". You do not understand that "Man" is inherently evil and cannot be trusted. You're in some dream world that believes that somehow man can get along if it were not for Govt. Yet Man left to his own measures never has.

I never said *I* was an atheist. I'm still figuring that out. I kind of like the idea that we're in a virtual reality programmed by some programmer, but that's more something that I would *like* to be true. I actually lean more towards the budhist belief that identity is an illusion, that we live and die hundreds of times a second. It's a little more complex than that, and a little too much to get into right now.

You worship the free market and Man as much as Religionists worship their God or "Way". Anarchy puts their trust in Man. Is there any historical evidence that this works out? Just as with the Relighious - there are too many religions and none get along. Same with Anarchy, too many little Gods (each Man) and none will get along.

I believe the free market can only exist when scarcity is an issue. I also believe that scarcity will not always be an issue. The free market will actually dissolve itself eventually.

Government does not dissolve itself. It implodes after a while, but the scenario where the free market dissolves is actually beneficial to everyone, and not a catastrophe like government implosion.

Again, this is something to discuss elsewhere, because we're a ways off from any of that happening.
 
Wow.

This is truly a first. Calling for open rebellion! On Youtube! Just wow.

Everyone watch this while it's still up, and download a copy asap! I am quite sure that the US Gov is going to do their best to eradicate this video.

...And it was freaking AWESEOME too! Just what we need every sheepling to see and understand.



It is not victimless. If it were legal it might be more victimless, but since it is illegal it is full of victims. Investigate the Mexican Cartels.

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He's talking about smoking a plant in your own home that you could have grown yourself, excepting only that the law said it's illegal to do so. Who would it hurt to grow your own leaves? If the law wasn't there, who would it hurt to buy leaves from your corner gas station?

Please, you gotta shake out of this indoctrination... Can't you see how it has effected your thinking?



Maybe, but still true. I have more recourse with the Govt than I will against some Anarchist tribunal made up of those that disagree with something, anything that I am doing. You say that no one intrudes on others? What happens then when I divert water to my new lake on my property and mess up your irrigation downstream? What happens when I ride my motorcycle at 5AM in my front yard and you want to sleep? Ther are a million stupid yet simple examples of how Anarchists will never get along.
You simply lack imagination. These answers exist.

I know you said you read a chapter or two of Practical Anarchy, but it appears that since you still ask questions like these, then you're still missing some basics, somewhere. Something to do with the foundations of an anarchic society.

In the old west, for instance, did people go into each other's homes and rob each other regularly? Imagine a society like that today, and imagine what they did to keep the peace. Surely you can see that they didn't need today's police state thrust upon them to survive?



I think you are an atheist because you believe in and trust "Man". You do not understand that "Man" is inherently evil and cannot be trusted. You're in some dream world that believes that somehow man can get along if it were not for Govt. Yet Man left to his own measures never has.

You worship the free market and Man as much as Religionists worship their God or "Way". Anarchy puts their trust in Man. Is there any historical evidence that this works out? Just as with the Relighious - there are too many religions and none get along. Same with Anarchy, too many little Gods (each Man) and none will get along.
Holy shit. :eek7:

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What is it about this picture that escapes you?

If men are what you don't trust, then don't give some even more power over you!

Is this really so hard to understand???

Calling the a word like "The government" doesn't magically make them good or less human. If anything it simply makes them worse, able to do things like send millions to their deaths for a few bucks.

YOU gave Hitler and Bush the power to do their evil by making the argument you're making now.
 
I appreciate the thoughtful posts. I read through as much as I could of both books referenced above, one being Practical Anarchy. The author is simplistic.

I understand where you guys are coming from, I understand your positions. I simply do not believe it can work in today's interconnected world. Too much greed and evil. Then you go back and say but is Govt better and I say Yes. Without it would be too random. At least with the Govt I understand how to navigate the program. With Anarchy you have to navigate a million different programs and I believe you are naive to put your faith in DRO's.

Anyhow, I appreciate the posts and I understand a lot more of Anarchy than I did before. Unfortunately I do not believe it will work. You can try it but in the end you will end back with a central Govt. Its the nature of man and Evil. Conquer and control. Anarchy will end the same way. Man is not willing to be diligent about his own ongoing freedom. Man is to lazy and too tempted to impose his will on others.
 
^- That is all assuming humans can't evolve, which isn't true. As molyneux has stated, slavery was a universally accepted practice throughout every major civilization, and it's now something that we've, to a very large degree eradicated.

Governments (the belief that we need to grant special privileges to other individuals to rule over us) is the same thing. It's something we've had in every major civilization, as with slavery, and it's something that we can eventually grow out of, as with slavery.

..Though on a side note, I have to say, perhaps we never really did grow out of slavery, I really do feel like a slave every April 15th ;)
 
So Libertarian Party Presidential candidate Gary Johnson did an AMA on reddit today, some of you might find it interesting: I am Gov. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate for President. AMA. : IAmA

Here's a post with all his answers collected in one place.

I wonder how some of the more anarchist-inclined here feel about answers such as this:

Or his support for the FairTax (taxation is theft after all, right?).

This is very comical! LOL, glad to see that Gary is still at it.

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Man is not willing to be diligent about his own ongoing freedom. Man is to lazy and too tempted to impose his will on others.
Therefore

QED Government of men?

lol

The difference between a communist and a minarchist is the difference between ignorance and delusion.

There are a lot of delusional minarchist libertarians. Several in this thread.

Keep on voting. One day your rulers will grant you freedom, I am 100% sure of it. :stonedsmilie:
 
2 weeks ago I got a letter to register the UK electoral roll threatening a fine if I don't join in. Just like last year, it went straight into my recycle bin along with the TV license letters.