Gun attack on French magazine kills 12

[seriously]

This is not about muslims its about ALL RELIGION

Enlighten me where god ask all jews to kill others? quit trying to explain yourself. :angel:

if not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims = IT'S ABOUT THE FUCKING MUSLIMS.
The sad truth is that world would be better off if there was some kind of muslim killing Ebola out there, face it.

 

[golan]

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[nickster]

The harsh reality is that Islam is an incubator for people who use their religion as an excuse to kill innocent civilians.

But feel free to cry racism while these animals murder civilians.

As was every other major religion at some point or another. It's just the other two have moved on a bit more than Islam, however there are people still killing in the name of the other religions by following their gods word.

It is not racism in my opinion, it is singling out one particular religion when the root cause is organised religion itself.

Enlighten me where god ask all jews to kill others? quit trying to explain yourself. :angel:

Have you read the old testament???? That is the book of the Jews.

I wouldn't be surprised if you yourself had done things in your life that would warrant a good stoning, according to that book.

And don't ask me a question and then tell me to quit trying to explain myself, it's idiotic.

 

[el toddler]

As was every other major religion at some point or another. It's just the other two have moved on a bit more than Islam, however there are people still killing in the name of the other religions by following their gods word.

It is not racism in my opinion, it is singling out one particular religion when the root cause is organised religion itself.



Have you read the old testament???? That is the book of the Jews.

I wouldn't be surprised if you yourself had done things in your life that would warrant a good stoning, according to that book.

And don't ask me a question and then tell me to quit trying to explain myself, it's idiotic.

While most religions have whacky stuff in them, there's a difference between what you are seeing now w/ Islam vs. other large religions. You can't really compare them. "Free Speech" essentially does not exist within Islam. There is no separation between church and state within Muslim countries. The human rights records currently are atrocious within many of those countries as well. Every year you are seeing large terrorist attacks fueled by radical Islam, many in Western countries. Sometimes against their own people.

If you want to talk about religion as a whole I think that's a separate topic. I agree with you that I think it's silly to take something verbatim that some sheep herder said, out in a field, 3,000 years ago, and think it applies to all eternity.

 

[nickster]

While most religions have whacky stuff in them, there's a difference between what you are seeing now w/ Islam vs. other large religions. You can't really compare them. "Free Speech" essentially does not exist within Islam. There is no separation between church and state within Muslim countries. The human rights records currently are atrocious within many of those countries as well. Every year you are seeing large terrorist attacks fueled by radical Islam, many in Western countries, but even some against other Muslims.

But my argument is if most people followed the word of their own gods literally (which I also argue you should do if you REALLY believe) then you would also see the same result as you are seeing with these fundamentalists.

History has shown that this is absolutely true. Look at the Salem witch trials, the inquisition, the crusades etc. etc. etc.

If you want to talk about religion as a whole I think that's a separate topic. I agree with you that I think it's silly to take something verbatim and think it applies to all eternity that some sheep herder said, out in a field, 3,000 years ago.

But people are taking what they want verbatim from these sheep herders and just ignoring the rest when it isn't as convenient for them. Homosexuality is a good example. So is sex out of wedlock. So is judging others (christianity). etc. etc. etc.

Religion in its purest unadulterated form is VERY dangerous. We are just lucky that most religious people nowadays are not really truly believers or we would end up in a world that was run by people like the Westboro Baptist Church who, having their own way, would enact stoning laws today. These people are not nuts, they are just religious, and follow their gods words as if they REALLY believed he commanded them to.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

But my argument is if most people followed the word of their own gods literally (which I also argue you should do if you REALLY believe) then you would also see the same result as you are seeing with these fundamentalists.

That's incorrect. You could make that argument for the Old Testament, but not the New Testament, or any Hindu or Buddhist scriptures that I'm aware of.

Mohammad was a warlord, and a lot of the text in the Quran reflects that. Saying that all religious texts are just as violent is not backed up by reality. They can all certainly be used to manipulate people and they have all been interpreted in various ways throughout history, but what we're seeing in Islam is not at all shocking considering the text of the Quran.

 

[nickster]

That's incorrect. You could make that argument for the Old Testament, but not the New Testament, or any Hindu or Buddhist scriptures that I'm aware of.

Mohammad was a warlord, and a lot of the text in the Quran reflects that. Saying that all religious texts are just as violent is not backed up by reality. They can all certainly be used to manipulate people and they have all been interpreted in various ways throughout history, but what we're seeing in Islam is not at all shocking considering the text of the Quran.

So explain the Inquisition, crusades and Salem witch trials.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

So explain the Inquisition, crusades and Salem witch trials.

If you would like to point out where anything in the New Testament would justify any of those things, then you'll have your answer.

I think that you think I'm making an argument for Christianity when I'm not. But if you think the New Testament and the Quran teach violence in equal parts then you haven't read either one.

 

[nickster]

If you would like to point out where anything in the New Testament would justify any of those things, then you'll have your answer.

Christianity comprises of both the old and new testament. The old testament is just as bloody, if not more so, than the Quran.

But if you think the New Testament and the Quran teach violence in equal parts then you haven't read either one.

I don't think there has to be any equality in the misery that religion promotes, history shows us that Christianity has caused just as much bloodshed as Islam (actually A LOT more).

 

[tomaszjot]

history shows us that Christianity has caused just as much bloodshed as Islam (actually A LOT more).

Can we finally end up this "Christians killed many people too" nonsense.

Yeah, killing in the name of religion was cool... 500 years ago.

Also, to all my WF bros:

Do not read Quran - you read books to get smarter not retarded.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Christianity comprises of both the old and new testament. The old testament is just as bloody, if not more so, than the Quran.

I think you're misunderstanding how Christian theology works.

I don't think there has to be any equality in the misery that religion promotes, history shows us that Christianity has caused just as much bloodshed as Islam (actually A LOT more).

That makes as much sense as blaming atheism for the shit that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc did.

There is nothing in Christian theology that supports the shit you see in Islamic theology. I think you may be the only person trying to dispute that, since even Muslims understand that to be true.

Now that doesn't mean that as a Muslim you're required to do shit like behead those who insult Islam, but that behavior is in fact explicitly sanctioned in the Quran, whereas the New Testament teaches a completely different approach.

 

[nickster]

Killings for Christianity

This is not Christians killing people despite of the religion, it is papal sanctioned murder IN THE NAME of the religion.

Anyways I am not saying this to rag on Christianity, but to say that all religion has blood on their hands and in my opinion should have no place in the modern world. Thank fuck that the majority of Christians and Jews have rejected most their own doctrines as the whole world would still be in the dark ages otherwise.

 

[nickster]

Can we finally end up this "Christians killed many people too" nonsense.

Yeah, killing in the name of religion was cool... 500 years ago.

Wow, that is some ignorant insular view of the world. Please go and read up on the Christian fundamentalist murder that is going on TODAY in Africa.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Killings for Christianity

This is not Christians killing people despite of the religion, it is papal sanctioned murder IN THE NAME of the religion.

Please go and read up on the Christian fundamentalist murder that is going on TODAY in Africa.

So in other words...no, you weren't able to find anything in the New Testament that sanctions violence to the level that we see in the Quran. Remember, anybody can kill in the name of anything, but that doesn't mean it's supported by the text.

I really feel like you're smart enough to understand the difference.

 

[nickster]

So in other words...no, you weren't able to find anything in the New Testament that sanctions violence to the level that we see in the Quran. Remember, anybody can kill in the name of anything, but that doesn't mean it's supported by the text.

I really feel like you're smart enough to understand the difference.

I think I already covered it.

I also think that you are smart enough to know that that "anybody can kill in the name of anything" is EXACTLY what moderate muslims are saying right now.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

I think I already covered it.

I also think that you are smart enough to know that that "anybody can kill in the name of anything" is EXACTLY what moderate muslims are saying right now.

No, you really didn't. See, the difference in theology between Christianity and Islam is actually pretty clear, particularly in regards to their religious texts. The Quran instructs Muslims to kill infidels in the name of Islam, whereas the New Testament instructs Christians to turn the other cheek and that only those without sin should sit in judgement of others.

Sort of a significant difference don't you think?

Also keep in mind that literacy rates during the time of the Crusades was almost zero, so it was pretty easy to convince people that something was in the name of a religion when the average person couldn't read the religious texts for themselves. Now that people can read we see that it is much more difficult to convince people to commit murder in the name of a religion like Christianity for instance (unless you're in backwards parts of Africa where people can't fucking read), whereas using the Quran to teach violence and murder against non-Muslims is pretty easy since that is what the Quran actually instructs.

 

[nickster]

The difference is the Quran instructs Muslims to kill in the name of Islam, and the New Testament instructs Christians to turn the other cheek and that only those without sin should sit in judgement of others.

Sort of a significant difference don't you think?

Yup it is different if you completely fail to take into account of the old testament as I have said previously.

The new testament doesn't tell people to hate gays, but they do. Why?

Jesus himself said that you should not ignore the laws of the old testament ("Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." Matthew 5:17).

Ok lets put all that aside and agree to disagree. What about the Jews? They don't have the New Testament. Their bible clearly call for the murder of a shit load of people including people who worship other gods. Do you concede that their doctrine is just as bloodthirsty as Islam?

 

[tomaszjot]

Wow, that is some ignorant insular view of the world. Please go and read up on the Christian fundamentalist murder that is going on TODAY in Africa.

First of all link you provided talks about stuff which happened 500 years ago.

Slavery, to high degree, had economical, not even racist, not religious, , context. I know many here will jump on me but, oh well, go wash off your white-Christian guilt and do some honest research. Then come back here and thank me.

If you don't believe me read about Irish (pure whites) slavery and then read what Arabs did to their slaves at the time they were kidnapping Black people from Africa at the same time as Whites. Arabs were kidnapping Black people from Africa too - did you know that? Of course these were only Christian Arabs, lol.

The Crusades, Inquisition, Witch hunting - again - it was cool 500 years ago. Please don't link me to this kind of material - I don't buy "Christians killed us 500 years ago thus I've got right to kill Christians today" argument.

Protestant death squads in Ireland? You mean Protestants fighting Catholics? You mean internal fights against Christians? (both are Christians, you know...). Thank God there are no internal fights between Muslims...

I just hope bro you do not live in any of these horrible countries built on Judeo-Christian ethics - surely nothing worse could happen to you.

You called me an ignorant - and sadly for you, you can learn a lot from my ignorance.

Also: THIS THREAD TALKS ABOUT MUSLIM KILLING - why do you even interrupt it writing about Christians? What do Chritians have with killings in France? When Breivik killed 70+ people did you came here defending so called right wing by saying "hey, 100 years ago lefties killed millions of Ukrainians thus Breivik had right to kill 70+ lefties today".

 

[nickster]

First of all link you provided talks about stuff which happened 500 years ago.

Slavery, to high degree, had economical, not even racist, not religious, , context. I know many here will jump on me but, oh well, go wash off your white-Christian guilt and do some honest research. Then come back here and thank me.

If you don't believe me read about Irish (pure whites) slavery and then read what Arabs did to their slaves at the time they were kidnapping Black people from Africa at the same time as Whites. Arabs were kidnapping Black people from Africa too - did you know that? Of course these were only Christian Arabs, lol.

The Crusades, Inquisition, Witch hunting - again - it was cool 500 years ago. Please don't link me to this kind of material - I don't buy "Christians killed us 500 years ago thus I've got right to kill Christians today" argument.

Protestant death squads in Ireland? You mean Protestants fighting Catholics? You mean internal fights against Christians? (both are Christians, you know...). Thank God there are no internal fights between Muslims...

I just hope bro you do not live in any of these horrible countries built on Judeo-Christian ethics - surely nothing worse could happen to you.

You called me an ignorant - and sadly for you, you can learn a lot from my ignorance.

Also: THIS THREAD TALKS ABOUT MUSLIM KILLING - why do you even interrupt it writing about Christians? What do Chritians have with killings in France? When Breivik killed 70+ people did you came here defending so called right wing by saying "hey, 100 years ago lefties killed millions of Ukrainians thus Breivik had right to kill 70+ lefties today".

So much fail I can't be bothered to go through it bit by bit, so I'll say two things, firstly go back and click that link and read whats on the page and you'll see there are links to what is going on TODAY.

Secondly I didn't interrupt it writing about Christians, I wrote that in my opinion this is not solely a muslim issue, but an "all religion" issue. I only used Christianity as an example. And I CERTAINLY didn't justify the current terrorist attacks by saying that Christians of today deserve them due to things they did in the past. I said that all (major) religions promote similar barbarism if you take them literally, but nowadays people just pick and choose what commandments of their god they wish to follow.

I am sorry if other peoples views don't coincide with yours and this frustrates you, but that is what real freedom of speech is about.

 

[teatree]

Can we finally end up this "Christians killed many people too" nonsense.

Yeah, killing in the name of religion was cool... 500 years ago.

In Europe, much more recent than 500 years ago.

Specifically 1992 - 1995, when the Christian Serbs started massacring the Bosnian muslims.

100,000 died in that event. Including a really sickening episode where 8000 Bosnian muslim males were herded into a football stadium in Srebrenica and systematically slaughtered. And the worst part of it was there were Dutch UN peacekeepers in barracks just around the corner from that stadium but they stayed within barracks as "they had orders not to intervene".

I'm convinced that was the episode that set this current cycle off. Because the west ummed and ahhed and it took forever for Clinton to decide on airstrikes. Volunteers from the muslim world poured in to help though, and I think it was in Bosnia that they got the idea that they were doing something noble and that the west was evil and the veterans from that fight got a taste for it and it just went from there.