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If there's still going to be a free area, what's stopping the majority of people from just continuing to post there and not paying for the premium area? It wouldn't make sense for you to spend any time moderating the free area, so it would be tough to stop them from posting anything and everything in whatever sections you leave there.

Also, the premium area you have now is not very active. If you keep a free section, I don't see too many people paying for the new premium area either. They already have the option to pay for premium content and most don't. Why not revamp the current paid section and promote the shit out of it? Or drop the price a little?
 


Props to Trademark for one of the most intelligent post in this thread.

I'm starting to like the private invitation style idea in addition to paying extra money. In all actuality anything I've learned hasn't even really been on the Forum itself; it's by visiting the blogs in the signatures of a small handful of folks that post here.

In a private forum, it would be great to have a consolidated space where people can share targeted ideas openly. Although, it still begs the question; what do we get for sharing our knowledge?

One scenario would be a fee-based revenue-sharing forum, where revenue is distributed amongst those with the highest amount of rep points.
 
I think 3 tiers is a bad move. It should either be completely private, or remain as it is with the exclusive high price premium section and the rest of the board open to the public.

Leaving only the bottom of the barrel to fend for themselves in the public space while all the useful content is hidden away is like allowing a bunch of hobos to squat outside an invite-only party at the Playboy mansion. Search engines and the general public only see the very worst of Wickedfire and none of the good stuff, which will invariably give them a terrible first impression and little incentive to want to subscribe to the private section.

The counter argument to that may be that quality individuals will be pulled in through word of mouth by other quality individuals. That could work well, but it would work just as well if there was no free section at all, and probably even better. Being able to see no content whatsoever prompts my curiosity; seeing nothing but a big swarm of festering e-shit prompts my vomit response.
 
I don't think it will work well for you. I've seen a number of once popular forums go to a pay model and this is usually what has happened.

The first thing, the good members, aka content providers, begin to jump ship for one reason or another and go somewhere else. Some leave right away over the money issue itself and some leave later when the inevitable personality disputes arise. As they say, "Money changes everything."

The second thing that happens is that the community becomes very inbred since there is little or no new input, good or bad. Worse, it turns a smaller and smaller amount of revenue for the site owner and they're faced with either demanding more money from the remaining paying members, and some will jump ship over this, or operating at cost or even a loss.

Maybe this won't happen here. I'd hope it wouldn't since I've found this forum very useful. It's just that I've seen this kind of thing go bad so many times before.
 
bgmacaw said:
The first thing, the good members, aka content providers, begin to jump ship for one reason or another and go somewhere else. Some leave right away over the money issue itself and some leave later when the inevitable personality disputes arise. As they say, "Money changes everything."

The second thing that happens is that the community becomes very inbred since there is little or no new input, good or bad. Worse, it turns a smaller and smaller amount of revenue for the site owner and they're faced with either demanding more money from the remaining paying members, and some will jump ship over this, or operating at cost or even a loss.
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Exactly. That's what I thought about it when I heard about it. It would be difficult to find a price that would weed out trolls and not cause everyone else to run.
 
I'd imagine it's going to be tough converting users who are used to free access to paid members. What exactly is WF itself going to contribute to the paid sections?

For example, WealthyAffiliate offers free hosting, keyword tools, free web templates/feeder sites, spy tools, etc. Will any features if any, be added or is it basically going to be just as it is now... with a few members supplying good content?

Just know if you are going to start requiring a paid membership that people will also expect something in return for their money.
 
pocketrockets said:
Just know if you are going to start requiring a paid membership that people will also expect something in return for their money.
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exactly and instead of getting rid of the n00bs you'll end up with a shitload of them coming with the idea of paying for the "secrets" and after they'll find out that they still need to work their asses of to make a buck, they'll start bitching around again
anyways I'll still pay for my membership cuz I know how to read between the lines and that is the big n00bs problem as they want everything on a plate (well not really all of them)
 
I like this forum, but I loved it before. If you can keep all the bullshit out of the paid section(s) that would help me a ton and would be worth something. But from the way you speak Jon, it sounds like the paid sections will be a paid free for all which means no time savings for me, and no value.

I agree with nachoninja removing the free ebook thread completely, remove the retard linkbaits, make the forum private, and have one premium section you charge an arm for.

For people who used to contribute but have recently given up due to the recent retardation of WF, like me, we'll come back and try to contribute more.
 
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It's okay. I just banned you to help you out in your decision when leeching in the future you ungreatful fuck.
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Thats it, Jon made up my mind.. this is the best quote all year and it made me make up my mind that I am paying to join this forum.. where do I send my US dollars?
 
I think you should be charged a small fee to even join the forum, like $5 for a norm membership, then charge an extra $20 to get into the premium sections ( per month ). That way you keep out the freeloaders and still have a premium section
 
How about a take on the Survivor way: Monthly fee + 3 warnings = Vote to kick off the forum. You can try again next month, for another fee. No refunds.

Warning are for trolls, and since Jon has the way to perm block folk(ok, sorta perm) after a few tries, they get the perm-ban.

I would LOVE to discuss things more in depth, but not publicly. I cannot (at this time) afford or justify Premium membership. I'll take the $25/mo and hope I *IMPLEMENT* some of the cool shit I see posted, so I CAN go Premium at some point...
 
Nearly everytime I come to WickedFire I get the infamous "Page not found" error multiple times.

If paying a monthly fee will get this fixed, I'm all for it.

On the other side of this, it might also be a good idea to get your shit together and working before trying to charge people for it.
 
damn...what about the OG wickedfire members?

don't we get a discount or grandfather in or something?
 
Jon - The fee sounds like a good idea overall, as long as is reasonable. I'd definitely pay around $5-10/mo for access (discounts for multi-month/year in advance subscription?), but $25/mo seems steep, even though I have gotten a ton of helpful information here. Keep in mind that even charging high prices won't keep the n00b/dp crowd out of here; After all, who buys those $97-497 affiliate/adwords ebooks & courses?

I think I figured it out, though - as long as you don't end the prices in 7s, the n00bs won't buy!
 
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