Hospitals ripping you off
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Btw, any Walgreens or drug store in the country has a FREE self check blood pressure monitor that you can use anytime. Why the hell would you go to the hospital just to get your BP checked?
I'd charge that much if I were a hospital just as a deterrent for people like you that waste their time.
I didn't go to no ER. I was doing a CNA certification program and went to the hospital they recommended. Set up an appointment weeks in advance.
The first appointment was to catch up on vaccinations (don't get me started) and check my vitals. BP came up high, and the doctor suggested a followup.
The first appointment was covered by the place I was doing my practicals at. The second followup for my BP is where the fuckers got me.
And I couldn't even go to Walgreens like this twat suggested because my program (CNA certification) required a doctor to sign off on the entire thing.
What made you think I went to ER?
You made the following statement:
I recently went in to get my blood pressure checked and got charged 95 dollars.
Hospitals are scams, bros.
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Reading it like that - Hospitals are scams - makes the reader 'assume' you went to a hospital/E.R..
That's what I asked why not go to a General Practicioner?
I recently went in to get my blood pressure checked and got charged 95 dollars.
Hospitals are scams, bros.
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Reading it like that - Hospitals are scams - makes the reader 'assume' you went to a hospital/E.R..
That's what I asked why not go to a General Practicioner?
that single mother is doing exactly what the banks/government did to all of us..... but I digress...
about medicine being a business, well, it shouldn't.
Profiting from the sick in the way it is done in this country is a total disgrace. Specially when so many billions go to funding economic wars everywhere....
Holy shit - and you guys still voted for no free gov healthcare?
Who do you think pays for free government healthcare? It ain't free bro.
no one here in the united states will EVER completely agree on what the system should be. so we will continue to politicize and ignorantly fight against something that really should never be an issue in the year 2011. life and health....it does not get any "deeper" or "more important" than that.
and to the people that were against the public option bitching that they are paying for everyone else. you are currently paying for and have payed for all kinds of shit that i doubt you would ever agree with in this lifetime. or hell, maybe you do agree with some of the shit that is going on in our country. either way, health care reform is an easy target for the people "with", to claim that the people "without" are just draining their resources and piggybacking, etc. and i'll be the first to admit, again, that yes people are abusing the fuck out of the system here in the US and many other so-called "socialist" programs.
but for christ sake, why aren't you people going after the MASSIVE OVER-REACHING ABUSES that are actually CRIPPLING THIS COUNTRY....here is a tip: those minorities lining up in the ER room are not going to be the downfall of America/capitalism/whatever god-given rights you righties will fight to the death for. The people abusing the system are the simply easy targets for you guys, not the people/institutions/policies/corporations/organizations propping the entire corrupt system up. i really don't get it?
it would just be nice, if for once, JUST ONCE, you guys directed your hostility and anger towards the spending that is crippling the country DIRECTLY. a side-related note, campaign finance reform needs to go hand in hand with this type of shit seriously....
and to the people that were against the public option bitching that they are paying for everyone else. you are currently paying for and have payed for all kinds of shit that i doubt you would ever agree with in this lifetime. or hell, maybe you do agree with some of the shit that is going on in our country. either way, health care reform is an easy target for the people "with", to claim that the people "without" are just draining their resources and piggybacking, etc. and i'll be the first to admit, again, that yes people are abusing the fuck out of the system here in the US and many other so-called "socialist" programs.
but for christ sake, why aren't you people going after the MASSIVE OVER-REACHING ABUSES that are actually CRIPPLING THIS COUNTRY....here is a tip: those minorities lining up in the ER room are not going to be the downfall of America/capitalism/whatever god-given rights you righties will fight to the death for. The people abusing the system are the simply easy targets for you guys, not the people/institutions/policies/corporations/organizations propping the entire corrupt system up. i really don't get it?
it would just be nice, if for once, JUST ONCE, you guys directed your hostility and anger towards the spending that is crippling the country DIRECTLY. a side-related note, campaign finance reform needs to go hand in hand with this type of shit seriously....
I think the major point at hand is it's fundamentally wrong that an entity can come and take money I've earned and then redistribute it according to the entity's goals.
As for all of these people/institutions/etc that are supposedly corrupting the health system, I really don't see that. I'm not forced to conduct business with Insurance Companies, Hospitals, and Doctors. They shouldn't be forced to conduct business with me, although they are.
What I do see is the government trying to take away my rights by FORCING me to conduct business with insurance companies.
I earned this money and what gave you or anyone else the right to allocate my money to fix your bleeding heart?
You'll probably come back with a statement assuming that I don't give goodwill back to the community. Don't formulate arguments based on assumptions. You never know, I might be the kind of dude that gives 70% of my disposable income towards charitable stuff like Tiny Tim's Christmas dinner and saving baby seals (no homo, they are so cute).
I'll sum it up by saying it's really easy to spend money that isn't yours. Try being on the short end of the deal.
fun fact: majority of the peoples in this thread never paid taxes and rehearse fox news bs.
source: Fuck the irs I ain't paying shit
source: Fuck the irs I ain't paying shit
Well, I guess you are just the almighty exception to the rule then? I don't know of anyone in my social circle that was extremely against the public option by all means necessary, but they also generously donate 70% of their income to charities? In fact, most people that I've ever encountered who are against this type of thing are people that are truly well-off and tend to scoff at people that might need some extra help...gee...i dunno....getting a broken rib looked at. And most of these people have every right to be where they are in life because of hard work and determination absolutely, but most of them also did not grow up in the projects either and they did not have many what I would call true life "struggles".
You must be a really interesting guy to sit down and have a beer with. Do you agree with our current foreign policies? Wars...occupations, etc? Like I said, I understand fighting for THE PRINCIPLE....to an extent. Your money IS going places you don't agree with already, and will continue to do so for the rest of your life, but you want to make it an issue because some of your money will go to helping people's health that you don't know.
You are absolutely right...in an ideal world you should not HAVE TO or be FORCED TO do this. But this is the only way to start fixing the current mess RAPIDLY and I just don't get why you guys make it seem like total anarchy will be among us if we have a public option in the united states. global unrest lmao
I don't get the "ethics" I guess. I can see where you are coming from, but I just don't see how these people abusing the system are the ACTUAL PROBLEM to you. The insurance companies and our healthcare system/policies are the problem. Our nation's fiscal and social priorities are the problem. Our nation's banking systems and credit institutions are the problem. The endless foreign and domestic wars on terror and drugs are the problem.
Does it pain you so much that we want everyone to be able to access QUALITY HEALTHCARE without worrying whether or not it will force them into bankruptcy?...what is the leading cause of bankruptcy in this country? unpaid medical bills...hmmm. over all the problems we are encountering here in the united states....you are choosing this issue to be your "last stand", so to speak? THAT is what I don't get.
You must be a really interesting guy to sit down and have a beer with. Do you agree with our current foreign policies? Wars...occupations, etc? Like I said, I understand fighting for THE PRINCIPLE....to an extent. Your money IS going places you don't agree with already, and will continue to do so for the rest of your life, but you want to make it an issue because some of your money will go to helping people's health that you don't know.
You are absolutely right...in an ideal world you should not HAVE TO or be FORCED TO do this. But this is the only way to start fixing the current mess RAPIDLY and I just don't get why you guys make it seem like total anarchy will be among us if we have a public option in the united states. global unrest lmao
I don't get the "ethics" I guess. I can see where you are coming from, but I just don't see how these people abusing the system are the ACTUAL PROBLEM to you. The insurance companies and our healthcare system/policies are the problem. Our nation's fiscal and social priorities are the problem. Our nation's banking systems and credit institutions are the problem. The endless foreign and domestic wars on terror and drugs are the problem.
Does it pain you so much that we want everyone to be able to access QUALITY HEALTHCARE without worrying whether or not it will force them into bankruptcy?...what is the leading cause of bankruptcy in this country? unpaid medical bills...hmmm. over all the problems we are encountering here in the united states....you are choosing this issue to be your "last stand", so to speak? THAT is what I don't get.
That is the basic premise of government, no?
If we could rely on kindness and charity, there wouldn't be a need for redistributive economics. The government finances and manages many projects we as a society have decided are not a good fit for the public sector. Personally, I prefer not to have fundraisers or donation campaigns to build roads, run schools, train soldiers, etc. It's pretty clear that these projects increase our collective earning power... and anyone who thinks private healthcare in the US is a success should have their head examined. Preferably in a country with better healthcare.
I don't think anyone has successfully proved a need for redistributive economics, if so then please link me.
We as a society do not decide what "projects" are a good/bad fit for the public sector. This is a republic, not a democracy.
I don't think we need the government to build roads. If there is enough of an incentive to build a road from point A to point B, then someone is going to eventually build it. If there isn't an incentive, then why should the road be built in the first place?
As of now, the public school system is extremely inefficient with resources and we are getting creamed by other developed countries in the education category. So I see a failure here, not a success.
I can see the justification for training soldiers to protect national interests, but I don't see justification of why this costs us $530 Billion Dollars a year.
So you're saying that private healthcare in the U.S is a failure? Compared to what, a perfect society? The majority of the problems in U.S. healthcare is the fact that the government has set up so many regulations that the cost of doing business is significantly higher. So, instead of removing government regulations to lower the industries barrier of entry and to promote competition, we hand it all over to the government?
Soooo let me get this straight.. Your training to be a nurses assistant, and you do not know wether it would be cheaper to go to a doctors office or a hospital?
And 10 times to the hospital is a fuckload of times IMHO. I have been checked into a hospital once, when I was born.
My point was, just because someone is against the public option doesn't mean that they are greedy or selfish.
Our current system allows everyone to get a broken rib looked at. If you're dirt poor w/o insurance and can't pay the hospital, you'll still get treated. If you have a decent income and you skimped on health insurance, then worst comes to worst you may have to go through bankruptcy. Both my parents went through the bankruptcy and came out alive on the other side, it's definitely not the end of the world. And finally, if you have insurance, well .. your covered.
You buy the first round
.I think that wars/occupations are almost always unnecessary. However, I'm well aware of human nature and the tendency to use aggression to achieve certain objectives, so I don't see war going away until we all find a common enemy or until every country has nukes.
In an ideal world, I shouldn't be forced to do anything.
I don't think there will be total anarchy. I do think that giving government control of our healthcare is a bad idea. First off, I haven't seen any solid evidence that it will improve anything, have you?
Additionally, the government has no competition, so they become lazy and inefficient with resources. To me, that spells trouble in an industry where rapid innovation and growth can help save lives.
I haven't argued that anyone is abusing the system. I'm arguing against the proposed change to the current system.
Nope, your opinions don't pain me at all.
You see people going into bankruptcy. I see people that should be grateful that they were able to receive potentially live-saving care without the funds to pay for it. Bankruptcy isn't the end of the world, both my parents went through it.
Also, if you come out of Bankruptcy court with garnished wages/seized assets, then you probably could have afforded health insurance. You took a gamble, it didn't pay off, and so you made a life fail and there are consequences associated with that.
As for why i'm choosing this issue to be my last stand, it's because i'm 21 years old and so this is the first real case where I can defend myself against the government taking more control.
Everything else came before my time and I have to live with it.
I havent had Insurance for years (atleast 10 years) and I've made several trips to the ER to get stitched up, have bones fixed, etc ... as well as visits to my Doctor for minor colds and such. I always tell them up front I'm paying cash, and I always get a HUGE discount. No insurance = No work for the office staff = Higher profit for the Doctor.
Broken Femur on Insurance = $4800 - $2000 deductible = $2800
Broken Femur without Insurance = $1100
Medical bills are negotiable when the Insurance company isn't dictating what you can do with your health. Insurance companies are just another middle man that increase costs for all of us.
Broken Femur on Insurance = $4800 - $2000 deductible = $2800
Broken Femur without Insurance = $1100
Medical bills are negotiable when the Insurance company isn't dictating what you can do with your health. Insurance companies are just another middle man that increase costs for all of us.
Can you give an example of any time that's happened, anywhere, since the 1800s?
Yes, I am saying that healthcare in the US is an inefficient system, specifically when compared with countries with socialized health.
Yes, this is from Health care in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia but hey, they're ranking! And yes, I have lived in another country (UK) with state-run healthcare.
Of course no system is perfect but I cannot understand anyone who thinks private healthcare is a superior system.
The absence of proof, is not proof of absence.
That said,
reason.tv - Videos > Gridlock
Efficiency can only be calculated in the presence of competition. Socialized medicine isn't competitive, and so, cannot be said to be efficient versus alternatives because they are not tested by market participants.
Economically speaking, any socialistic system is a basketcase and fundamentally irrational.
How much does a lack of regulations have to do with why places like Canada spend half and Japan spends a third per person of what the US does?
What makes the US health care system so expensive – Introduction | The Incidental Economist