guerilla, i respect your opinion in looking at from a purely "economic" perspective. as i mentioned above though, i don't think we even SHOULD HAVE TO look at the most important thing in the world...our own healthcare through the economics lens. you know? at the end of the day, people in other countries get treated and simply put.....they do not have to worry about taking another job and forcing their young adult children out of school and into the workforce to treat their illness. this type of shit just does not happen that often other places and when you remind them about the shit over here...they literally just laugh and shake their heads. yeah, our country is awesome, but people's lives DO get ruined because they can't afford basic healthcare. Rock on USA.
i just do not understand our priorities as a country anymore. we can argue economics, correlation, causation, until the cows come home, but at the end of the day we are talking about life and death essentially. yes, people are actual directly/indirectly dying because of our current healthcare system. i believe that when we even HAVE TO consider keeping the system as is at this point in time, well it is truly doing a disservice to those people and entire generations of families that have been horribly affected by our shitty healthcare system. to me, if we are CLEARLY so far behind in our healthcare system (when looked at from ALL types of different angles, not just financial, etc) when compared to the other major developed nations....then we do need to make some changes. there is no more room for debating i feel like anymore. i can think of a few other budget cuts that we should probably consider before implying that we don't have enough money to provide healthcare to everyone in this country.
people act like our current system is sustainable as it is or something? really? just let it go on like no big deal? that worked well for us with the whole banking thing? im pretty sure that unpaid medicals bills are not putting people in these other countries into bankruptcy that often? im pretty sure they do not have to stop and debate when they get injured about whther or not they should just try to treat themselves because they are in a bind financially. a lot of those medical horror stories that the repubs spoonfed the sheeple are just simply not true when you actually personally know and speak with people in these countries. at one point, their argument included the "usa medical tourism" thing about how all these Europeans were coming over here in droves for a crazy good healthcare. im not sure i believe this is happening on the level that they claim, purely based on speaking to people from other countries directly and also doing pretty extensive research on my own. if more people come here for basic healthcare than any other developed nation, please provide me some statistics, as I am just not seeing this to be the case.
and yes, bankruptcy is certainly not the end of the world....but why the hell are we saying that these two should EVER even become a FORCED DECISION for people here in the united states? THIS is the debate we are having in 2011? i want our country to be the best place on earth. to be the best country on earth, we really need to be able to provide healthcare for EVERYONE from ANY demographic. what do you see happening in the future as the population swells? all privatization, little regulation? really? we always seem to find enough money to go out and try to make more money draining other countries' resources. we always seem to find enough money (no questions asked mind you) to go overseas and kill people. but somehow, according to some of you guys on here, we don't have enough money to provide healthcare for everyone here in the United States. and somehow, because i think our country at this point in 2011 should be able to provide for this ESSENTIAL RIGHT that is really...in the end...WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT in the grand scheme of things, i am told that im just a liberal and must hate America. lol. gotta love it. (not speaking about posters here, just from past arguments)
I want America to be better for everyone, not just the people "WITH" and the people born into families of those "WITH". If we can find money to do all the stupid ass shit we do around the world these days and continue on with the whole dog and pony show, we can provide a public option in our healthcare system. bottomline.
i agree that many of these developed countries' systems are flawed as well, but to even have to debate about including a public option at this point just kind of sickens me. lets help the people that are dying and in desperate need of assistance first. then we can talk about what system is the "best", or what types of regulations really "work", or what truly makes economic sense for our country in the long run. the same people against the public option would probably overwhelmingly support another war. i don't believe that many of you on here would, but i'd be willing to bet that the majority of people AGAINST the public option would not raise an eyebrow if Obama said we are officially going into pakistan, doubling troops in afghanistan, etc. realistically, i don't see the future of our healthcare system looking like it is right now. what do you guys see it looking like? if you guys think that the U.S. will NEVER have a public option....i'd love to know how you view that unfolding...or NOT unfolding I should say. seriously.
