Lethal injection goes wrong... Time to ditch the death penalty?
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Well, it's kind of hard to let a dead person out of prison so it's a little different.
The court system and the death penalty may go hand in hand, but you're a moron if you think they're the same thing.
So let me get this straight.
You have next to no faith in the government, except when it comes to deciding who to kill?
Make up your mind foo.
Now let us all sit back and read an except from the Book of Gandalf:
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment."
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment."
Well with that other thread with those convicts getting released as millionaires because they were found innocent after 20 years in prison, it makes you wonder.
How many innocent people have been put to death for crimes they didn't commit? 1, 2, 5, 10?
The real question to me is, is being able to put to death 100 guilty worth the life of 1 innocent man?
If you can answer yes to that question, can you still answer yes if the innocent man was yourself?
Emp you have a lot of good points.
I think the death penalty is just a big step backwards for humanity.
How many innocent people have been put to death for crimes they didn't commit? 1, 2, 5, 10?
The real question to me is, is being able to put to death 100 guilty worth the life of 1 innocent man?
If you can answer yes to that question, can you still answer yes if the innocent man was yourself?
Emp you have a lot of good points.
I think the death penalty is just a big step backwards for humanity.
So let me get this straight. Take issue with the cases in the past 10-15yrs where dna was used to catch a killer. So you think that because a lethal injection went bad that it is fucked up and inhumane? What about the victims who were killed and their families put through the hell of trials and living with the fact some bitch just happened to see a young girl and snatched, raped and then killed her.
I could care how painful the people being put to death is, the fact is they comitted a crime, took someones life. They deserve the same fate. If someone Rapes and Kills someone I say strap them to a bed let the lifers in prison rape the guy , then have them all shank the fucker to death.
I realize that the system is imprefect, and agree there may be several hundred older people on death row that are innocent. But the newer cases are all backed with DNA, as they do not hold up in court for the death penalty if they do not. But to say you are fine with people who are convicted with dna evidence that murdered people, that the death penalty is not the way to punish them is insane.
Some cases as i stated I agree may have been wrongfully convicted. But the majority are convicted with dna evidence now, and I do not think if your wives, girlfriends, mothers etc were murdered by someone that you would just be happy allowing them to spend their lives in jail.
I wouldn't, I would want them to die the same damn way my wife or family member did.
Keep the death penalty in place. Older cases can and should be reopened to make sure the dna at the time matches the dna of the one charged before the killing is put through.
I could care how painful the people being put to death is, the fact is they comitted a crime, took someones life. They deserve the same fate. If someone Rapes and Kills someone I say strap them to a bed let the lifers in prison rape the guy , then have them all shank the fucker to death.
I realize that the system is imprefect, and agree there may be several hundred older people on death row that are innocent. But the newer cases are all backed with DNA, as they do not hold up in court for the death penalty if they do not. But to say you are fine with people who are convicted with dna evidence that murdered people, that the death penalty is not the way to punish them is insane.
Some cases as i stated I agree may have been wrongfully convicted. But the majority are convicted with dna evidence now, and I do not think if your wives, girlfriends, mothers etc were murdered by someone that you would just be happy allowing them to spend their lives in jail.
I wouldn't, I would want them to die the same damn way my wife or family member did.
Keep the death penalty in place. Older cases can and should be reopened to make sure the dna at the time matches the dna of the one charged before the killing is put through.
I've done time before and it's easy for me to fathom that being a caged animal for life is probably worse than lethal injection.
I can understand the fear of death for many is paramount compared to anything else, but let me tell you if I had to go to prison for life, a lethal injection would be a sweet release.
That's just the way I see it.
I see your point in ways, I guess I could see how no chance of freedom and having to live with what you had done day after day would suffice.
And maybe if we think about it letting them actually be executed is a way out for them.
I can see both sides. My main point was the fact some saying death penalty was inhumane. I just do not see how or why we should give a fuck. I could give 2 shits if a child rapist or murderer suffers when they die. I am sure their victims suffered when they were being killed.
flaw in logic. if the government can't infringe on the right to life, why can a business? this is where there's a divide between libertarianism and republicanism.
you're totally confused. my original post was how the OP made a HUGE leap in logic:
botched execution = death penalty bad
xmcp thought i was saying something about the efficacy of the government, so i played along. but here's the truth:
we need the death penalty. nothing stops a would-be murderer more than knowing they will pay the ultimate price for their evil. it's an incredibly effective deterrent.
but the people that piss and moan about the wrong people getting convicted/executed don't really have a problem with the death penalty - they have a problem with the conviction process.
so fix the conviction process. the death penalty issue is a moral decision everyone has to make for themselves. if enough americans want it, eventually it'll make its way through the courts.
but my original point is that the OP is pulling a bait and switch; just because they couldn't find a vein in the fucker doesn't mean shit about the pro's/con's of the death penalty - it just means dude's got fuckin weird veins.
You wouldn't have a problem outsourcing to third world countries, since they're the only ones other than the USA that still use the death penalty.
The fact that all these states have these stupid rules based off of what they believe is a "uncruel" way to die is absolutely ridiculous. The US just needs to come together, agree on the most efficent method for the most extreme cases, and stick to it.
