Life in Occupied Palestine

Blowback, eh? Don't justify Al Qaeda. Don't even start to.
Blowback doesn't mean justification. Otherwise he would have used the word 'justify'.

The exact definition is: "Blowback is unintended consequences of a covert operation that are suffered by the aggressor."

And 9/11 was exactly that. An unintended consequence of the United States foreign policy in the middle east.
 


I think any action can result in "blowback"

You don't think that USA's projection of power via established military bases around the world could possibly inspire blowback?
The implication was that 9/11 was rational blowback. I take severe objection to that.

For instance, what if you call someone a jerk and his response is to burn your house down?

Was that blowback or grounds to have the (jerk) removed from society?

Bin Laden was pursuing a personal agenda in the middle east and through ideological pedagoguery engineered an unprecedented terrorist attack on the other side of the earth. That's not fucking blowback, that's fucking bullshit - no justification.

I remember an artist girl I was fucking at the time. She graduated from Ohio University (or Miami University of Ohio) - some shit like that. She had a pierced nose. Her heart was everywhere she thought it should be.

We could still smell the acrid smoke of the attack and see it in the sky when she remarked "we had it coming. Corporate America had it coming". She couldn't even articulate what or why exactly - but she was sure it was a price we were fated to pay.

Did not keep in touch with her, but if she didn't get any wiser in life I'm sure she would consider the hijacking of airplanes/mass murder by Al Qaeda as blowback.

And that's fine. Because I ate her butthole while it was still fresh. That's my fucking bag, baby.

Apologizing for cowards is not. If Gazans need 9/11 (and that's a holiday there - which for my money means it should be carpet bombed into dust) to justify arguments against Israel - then they lose their argument right out of the gate.
 
Blowback doesn't mean justification. Otherwise he would have used the word 'justify'.

The exact definition is: "Blowback is unintended consequences of a covert operation that are suffered by the aggressor."

And 9/11 was exactly that. An unintended consequence of the United States foreign policy in the middle east.
If it was unintended for a pound, then it was unprecedented for a metric ton.

What the fuck? Training people to become airline passenger zombies to create carnage and mass murder in the land of an indirect enemy?

And we are seriously considering that this side has its points? There is no conversation to have here.

The people on the anti-Israel table have to come clean and disclose whether it's hateful scores they're looking to settle or diplomatic aims. Truly separate the two and there is hope.

The Israelis ... I don't know what the fuck they have to do if the Arabs don't change. If I ran that place I'd declare it World War III and do what the Brits/Americans did to win World War II - which was to kill the will out of the enemy population. (And, no, Israel is doing anything but this to date)

It would not be pretty. They might even feel guilty. But victors sleep better at night - even the Romans knew that.

Frankly, the whole story bores me - up until someone wants to justify 9/11. That's where things can get a little personal for me.
 
Unfortunately infoslob it looks very much like they are trying their best to turn this into WW3. Who exactly 'they' are I don't know, but I found this interview with David Icke fascinating:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK5ZAapfylQ[/ame]
 
Unfortunately infoslob it looks very much like they are trying their best to turn this into WW3. Who exactly 'they' are I don't know, but I found this interview with David Icke fascinating:
I like that kind of shit. I gave it 3 minutes and now give it 2 thumbs up.
 
The implication was that 9/11 was rational blowback. I take severe objection to that.

For instance, what if you call someone a jerk and his response is to burn your house down?

Was that blowback or grounds to have the (jerk) removed from society?

*Sigh* If only you could use this logic on Israel.
 
Some people in this thread obviously missed out on empathy when they were born.

Really, you can't put yourselves in the other sides' shoes at all? Some of you don't seem capable of it in the slightest, which is actually quite sad.
 
That is totally correct, however this "combatants that intentionally use protected people or property as human shields or camouflage are guilty of violations of the laws of war and are responsible for damage to those that should be protected" is conveniently left out and does absolutely absolve Israel of the legal blame if Hamas are using these people and buildings as shields.

Not sure if serious? What you are quoting does not say that only one party can violate international law in instances of human shield usage.

If Hamas forced 20,000 civilians into a soccer stadium to act as shields, I highly doubt that would automatically allow another party to kill them all.


"Under international humanitarian law even if “human shields” are being used Israel’s obligations to protect these civilians would still apply."

Israel/Gaza conflict: Questions and Answers | Amnesty International


You are aware that the UN are not impartial in this whole thing?

I don't know, you are the one that brought up "international law."

Palestine does not have UN membership status. The USA is one of five countries with veto power on the security council.


They do not even consider Hamas as terrorists.

Do not "consider" or do they just not apply that label to any group at all?

The UN has accused them of "war crimes and possible crimes against humanity."

United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And when bombs were found in the UN schools they proceeded to hand those bombs back to the PA (i.e. Hamas) which then "went missing".

They called the local police, which is supposedly in line with their procedures. These are relief workers and not Rambo, correct? They are not going to battle Hamas for control of weapons and I imagine it would be dangerous for them to try to sneak rockets off to somewhere else.


Let me ask you a question. If Israel held fire every time a rocket was shot from or around a UN building, school etc. what do you think Hamas would then do? BINGO! They would ONLY fire from such buildings, making defence impossible for Israel.

No modern military operation such as this is based solely on firing indiscriminately at spots from where attacks occurred, especially if it's understood that those doing the firing are no longer likely to be there.

It would appear that Israel relies far more on their overall intelligence to determine various target sites than it does from just looking at rocket launch locations. For one example of many, on July 10 "The homes of more than 40 Hamas commanders were targeted."

List of Israeli strikes and Palestinian casualties in Operation Protective Edge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



According to Israel government, they were fired at from near a UN school, but if they fired back, it is wrong and they will apologise :

Speaking to the BBC's Newsnight, Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said: "We will investigate that. And if we find that it was errant fire from Israel I'm sure we will apologise.

"It's not clear to us that it was our fire but we know for a fact there was hostile fire on our people from the vicinity of the school."


BBC News - Gaza conflict: Israel to investigate school shelling
 
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The implication was that 9/11 was rational blowback. I take severe objection to that.

For instance, what if you call someone a jerk and his response is to burn your house down?

Was that blowback or grounds to have the (jerk) removed from society?

Bin Laden was pursuing a personal agenda in the middle east and through ideological pedagoguery engineered an unprecedented terrorist attack on the other side of the earth. That's not fucking blowback, that's fucking bullshit - no justification.

I remember an artist girl I was fucking at the time. She graduated from Ohio University (or Miami University of Ohio) - some shit like that. She had a pierced nose. Her heart was everywhere she thought it should be.

We could still smell the acrid smoke of the attack and see it in the sky when she remarked "we had it coming. Corporate America had it coming". She couldn't even articulate what or why exactly - but she was sure it was a price we were fated to pay.

Did not keep in touch with her, but if she didn't get any wiser in life I'm sure she would consider the hijacking of airplanes/mass murder by Al Qaeda as blowback.

And that's fine. Because I ate her butthole while it was still fresh. That's my fucking bag, baby.

Apologizing for cowards is not. If Gazans need 9/11 (and that's a holiday there - which for my money means it should be carpet bombed into dust) to justify arguments against Israel - then they lose their argument right out of the gate.
From Bin Laden's "Letter to America".
(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.

(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.

(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.

(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.

(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.

(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.

(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.
 
Israeli scientist helps find cure for the EBOLA VIRUS..
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-scientist-leads-search-for-ebola-cure/

folks this is what israel and jews do on a daily basis.. the techonology in the computer your using right now or cures or treatment for cancer come out of israel reoutinly.. please put your bias towards jews and israel aside and realise that ANOTHER backwards muslim country to go along with the rest of them in the middle east does NOTHING for humanity.. israel is a shining example on a hill.. with techonology in science and medicine that could help improve your life here in the usa.. DONT GIVE THAT UP for another arab muslim country. They have enough.. they dont do shit with what they have now.. they dont need another one.
 
Moxie, you post is so full of fail I am going to respond to it, but I refuse to respond to any more of your posts until you at least have the courtesy of actually taking five minutes to just Google your “facts” to confirm they are not only misinformation or just your own delusions. Why should I spend my time trying to educate you when you can’t even be bothered to fact check the drivel you’re writing?

So here goes.

Not sure if serious? What you are quoting does not say that only one party can violate international law in instances of human shield usage.

If Hamas forced 20,000 civilians into a soccer stadium to act as shields, I highly doubt that would automatically allow another party to kill them all.


"Under international humanitarian law even if “human shields” are being used Israel’s obligations to protect these civilians would still apply."

Israel/Gaza conflict: Questions and Answers | Amnesty International

I don't know, you are the one that brought up "international law."

Palestine does not have UN membership status. The USA is one of five countries with veto power on the security council.

Who bought up international law? You’re kidding right. Is it just me who sees the words “Israel are war criminals” on a daily basis? all over the news and all over social media.

The Law of War is very clear that you can’t use civilians as human shields or camouflage otherwise the loss of their life is your legal responsibility, what do you find hard to understand about that.

A quote by Amnesty is purely based on their opinion and interpretation of the law, but it doesn’t make it fact. I content (as do many others) that the law is very clear on who has legal culpability in the situation where one side is using human camouflage and the other side is not. Again, I am talking about legally responsibility here, not moral.

Do not "consider" or do they just not apply that label to any group at all?

The UN has accused them of "war crimes and possible crimes against humanity."

United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Easy to answer that question, just use Google:- List of designated terrorist organizations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So clearly the consider other groups terrorists if you can be bothered to look at the table.

They called the local police, which is supposedly in line with their procedures. These are relief workers and not Rambo, correct? They are not going to battle Hamas for control of weapons and I imagine it would be dangerous for them to try to sneak rockets off to somewhere else.

Look at it rationally. Hamas committed a war crime by placing the bombs in a UN building and the UN representatives basically gave Hamas the rockets back (even if they did this indirectly they knew where the rockets would end up). I mean common, how ineffective can the UN actually be.

No modern military operation such as this is based solely on firing indiscriminately at spots from where attacks occurred, especially if it's understood that those doing the firing are no longer likely to be there.

This is not a normal military operation, it is a war with an opponent that is committing war crimes on a daily basis and is hiding amongst civilians. Please tell me what do you think they should be doing?

Plus targeting the location a rocket is being fired from can hardly be considered indiscriminate.

It would appear that Israel relies far more on their overall intelligence to determine various target sites than it does from just looking at rocket launch locations. For one example of many, on July 10 "The homes of more than 40 Hamas commanders were targeted."

They do both. They have targets and they also return fire. Their intelligence is unlikely to be able to warn them when a remote rocket is going to be set up and launched.

According to Israel government, they were fired at from near a UN school, but if they fired back, it is wrong and they will apologise :

Speaking to the BBC's Newsnight, Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said: "We will investigate that. And if we find that it was errant fire from Israel I'm sure we will apologise.

"It's not clear to us that it was our fire but we know for a fact there was hostile fire on our people from the vicinity of the school."

I know there is a point in there somewhere, but for the life of me I can’t find it.

I think I have done more than enough to try to balance the lies with facts here so I am not going to spend any more time on it. I am just going to leave this video here as I think this guy really sums things up pretty well

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ugsv5u-sW0"]Hypocrisy over Gaza - YouTube[/ame]
 
From Bin Laden's "Letter to America".
First, that's written in Nov 2002 and the immediate aftermath that I'm referencing. They addressed the House of Saud first.

Secondly, you're bolstering your argument with bin Laden's propaganda. That's like quoting Mein Kampf to berate Jews. See if you can do better. Or maybe even reassess your take.
 
Well I was going to sit down and write up a proper response for this thread, but it appears that nickster and james clark did it for me.

Well done boys.

On a side note... some decent reading if anyone's interested in knowing more about these lovely arabs everyone wants to protect.

The Quran's Verses of Violence

Earlier someone called them the 'blacks' of their time. I guess the difference is the blacks didn't have a religion that commands you to kill non believers.
 
Thousands of christians flee for there lives as islamist take over.. yazdi minority group in iraq are hiding in fear of death..

tortured and massacred by these muslim DOGS..

and you cock sucking muslim apologist are pissed off that ISRAEL DOESNT ROLL OVER FOR THESE MUSLIMS?? that they dont RUN to the gas chambers and actually defend themseves from these palastanian muslim dogs?

looks at these goddamn NEWS STORIES ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO MINORITIES WHO CANT DEFEND THEMSELVES agianst these muslim animals.. and you want jews in israel to meet the same fate? FUCK THAT.. im glad israel is killing the fuck out of these hamas bastards.. and i make NO excuses for my support for israel and in fact FOR ANY COUNTRY that fucks these muslim terrorists up..

Yazidis flee for there lives..
Yazidis in Iraq flee for their lives

Christians flee muslim militants
White House weighing air support for Iraq
 
Tony71

you speak as if Muslims were the only group that were cocksuckers.. both groups as well as many groups of races , people that are guilty of war crimes..

I have no skin in this for either side.. but the truth is the truth.

so contain your ignorance and keep and open mind

and thats Mister Cocksucka to you bud ;)