Mad Max Fury Road

[WickedJoe]

Personally I have no moral objection to homosexuality and never cared much about gays, etc. I support them being treated like humans, and having the same benefits to relationships as heteros.

But I will definitely admit I started disliking them the more when they started pushing their shit GRAPHICALLY on us on TV and movies recently. Kisses and hugs are one thing, but dick-sucking and fucking scenes in one of the coolest shows ever (GoT) really pisses me off. And HBO is doing it because they know they can because it's otherwise a great show. And the best part about all of this is that there are no gay sex scenes in the books and homosexuality is barely mentioned! Talk about an agenda.

Because of this forced graphical exposure, the way I feel about homos now is what the gay community could call a backlash - and I hope it grows because here are some truths. For whatever reasons that homosexuality exists (either genetic, environmental, fetish, or some combo, etc) ARE THE SAME REASONS OTHER DEVIATE BEHAVIOR EXISTS (Fucking animals, fecal-philia, pedophilia etc). So if gays want to call their shit natural and demand graphic exposure of it on tv shows then why don't shit-eaters get graphic exposure on tv shows too, or child fuckers? I'm here to tell you that shit-eating exists in other animals in nature. A larger percentage of humans than you'd think are into eating shit/scat/piss so why don't we put this shit on tv at primetime??

Also, child-fucking is so common why not that? Did you guys know that child-fucking is something pretty much everyone did in Sparta? Look it up. Spartan warriors all got fucked in the ass by their masters while growing up. And we all know how popular it was in Greece and Rome. You can bet there's some natural element to child-fucking.

Trust me, I'm not getting on any kind of moral high-horse here. I don't even think right/wrong or morals exist. Not liking something is different than saying something is wrong. I simply don't like seeing people eat shit, fuck children, or guys sucking each other off on popular tv shows. It's a line of decency and taste that I don't want to cross. If i wanted to cross it, I'd download porn for it.

So sorry, I don't feel like 'opening up my mind' by watching shit-eating, animal fucking, child fucking, and gay sex on my tv. It's just my personal taste. And with any luck these recent graphical gay sex scenes will be beaten back (no pun intended) by other people with my taste.

 

[potentialeight]

The concept of all female spaces is dated too; especially now with so many transgender people coming out of the closet. It's hard to take what you write seriously when you don't see "all male spaces" in a typical professional setting.

You're coming off as a guy that doesn't know how to address someone of the opposite sex as a fellow professional and a human rather than a walking vagina.

The bold shows either a lack of understanding of the subject matter, a lack of data on the subject matter or a complete troll-job.

The underline is the complete opposite of what I'm coming across as. I respect women enough as human beings that I want to offer them all-female spaces so that their full development as human beings is allowed.

 

[slayerment]

I just got back from the movie and I don't know what you guys are talking about.

The movie was too shitty to have a feminist agenda. The story was complete shit as was the movie. This goes to show that you can't make a good movie relying solely on special effects. It just wasn't a good movie.

 

[Capital]

I just got back from the movie and I don't know what you guys are talking about.

The movie was too shitty to have a feminist agenda. The story was complete shit as was the movie. This goes to show that you can't make a good movie relying solely on special effects. It just wasn't a good movie.

Damn, I thought it was great for the type of movie it was.

What were your expectations going in, exactly?

 

[bluechinagroup]

one is the incredibly obvious direct political slander of Russia and Putin, where the gay movement is being used to directly launch an attack..

Why do you care if Putin is slandered? He's a dictator and a former KGB agent. He invaded the sovereign territory of Ukraine. He's not a libertarian, an objectivist, nor even a neo liberal. You're railing against Marxism on one hand and then on the other hand you love Putin who himself said that it's a tragedy that the Soviet Union collapsed? Dude Putin is a closeted Communist, and he was a member of the Communist Party during the Soviet era obviously.

For a guy who doesn't like being manipulated, you're being manipulated by Putin's propaganda.

Putin plays the same kind of tricks in the media that the Soviets did. Example:

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Putin is extremely discriminatory against homosexuals, and he created a new anti gay law to make it illegal to discuss gay rights or give gays equality.

Russia passes law banning gay 'propaganda' | World news | The Guardian

How is that any different than what Marxists themselves did to dissidents? Whether we are talking about political minorities or sexual minorities, their rights need to be protected from the State.

If this is just about your Russian pride being hurt; well we'd be better off if people stopped the retarded nationalistic chest thumping already.

 

[bluechinagroup]

But I will definitely admit I started disliking them the more when they started pushing their shit GRAPHICALLY on us on TV and movies recently. Kisses and hugs are one thing, but dick-sucking and fucking scenes in one of the coolest shows ever (GoT) really pisses me off.

So it's okay for gays to have to be subject to constant heterosexual scenes, but heaven forbid YOU see a gay scene in your tv show then all bets are off and you're pissed? Grow up and address your insecurities.

I don't really give a fuck if there's a gay scene in my favorite tv show. I'm not selfish enough to think that a tv show should be tailored specifically towards my sexual tastes only.

Do you also get offended when you see a heterosexual sex act on TV that is a fetish you're not into or is that somehow acceptable to you? Clearly the problem is you're not secure with your own sexuality and gay shit makes you feel uncomfortable. That's pretty much the definition of being homophobic.

 

[bluechinagroup]

The bold shows either a lack of understanding of the subject matter, a lack of data on the subject matter or a complete troll-job.

The underline is the complete opposite of what I'm coming across as. I respect women enough as human beings that I want to offer them all-female spaces so that their full development as human beings is allowed.

The nonsense you're spewing is just idiotic as radical feminists who think all men are chauvinist pigs. It's pretty obvious that you have a pretty narrow worldview. Indeed the same criticism applies to some feminists too.

So what about transgender people? How do they fit into your narrowly defined gender roles?

Why aren't many professional spaces segregated by sex?

 

[bluechinagroup]

When have you ever met a libertarian feminist or queer advocate? Is it always not just more gov, more tax, more laws?

You clearly haven't met any feminists or gay advocates. There's a whole spectrum out there, but you only see the world in black and white.

Let me give you a hint: The ones in HK are much more fiscally conservative. Stop making broad assumptions. Not everyone wants to run to the government for help and increase your taxes; they simply want to protect their rights as a minority from the majority. Being a minority is something you clearly never experienced and you seem to lack the ability to put yourself in that person's shoes.

 

[super]

The paranoia is just too strong, it's kind of shocking. This is coming from someone who actually looked into the development of women's movements and the takeover strategies they used since the temperance movement which gave them a lot of political power (recommend to anyone into history since they did some amazing campaigns).

So why did they need to hire vagina monologues for action movie? Does not make much sense without conspiracy

I don't want to sound like I'm on a high horse or anything and I'm a huge fan of Wickedfire, but man this gender-bashing shit is too much lately..

It is not gender bashing, it is propaganda bashing. So more like bashing of bashing (by propaganda).

Completely different thing.

 

[WickedJoe]

So it's okay for gays to have to be subject to constant heterosexual scenes, but heaven forbid YOU see a gay scene in your tv show then all bets are off and you're pissed? Grow up and address your insecurities.

So why don't we all grow up and accept the other sex acts i listed? Seriously, did you read my whole post? Why should shit-eaters or child fuckers have to watch hetero scenes on tv but we don't have to watch their scenes on tv? A certain percent of humans and animals have always done those things and they're natural. It's a matter of taste. So are you promoting shit-eating on tv? Why not? Are you insecure about your shit-eating desires?

 

[jonbird]

So why don't we all grow up and accept the other sex acts i listed? Seriously, did you read my whole post? Why should shit-eaters or child fuckers have to watch hetero scenes on tv but we don't have to watch their scenes on tv? A certain percent of humans and animals have always done those things and they're natural. It's a matter of taste. So are you promoting shit-eating on tv? Why not? Are you insecure about your shit-eating desires?

Right. I'd be interested to see the prevalence of the examples you've given vs homosexuality though. I accept media has been (and always will be) manipulated to suit agendas but it's not like media lives separately from society in a vacuum either. It reflects current issues and social norms. I remember being exposed to some pretty racist cartoons growing up, which would cause an absolute shit-storm if shown today, and that wasn't even that long ago. Society changes. Realistically pederasty would have been shown in Ancient Greek GoT along with a lot of other subjects that are taboo in our modern society..

PS. Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? - PubMed - NCBI I'm fairly sure other studies have come to a similar conclusion, too.

I haven't seen the Mad Max film but tend to agree with others in that it's just trying to appeal to a wider audience. Gives the Mrs a reason to watch it as well, same as the GoT example.

 

[JulianTrueFlynn]

So why did they need to hire vagina monologues for action movie? Does not make much sense without conspiracy

It is not gender bashing, it is propaganda bashing. So more like bashing of bashing (by propaganda).

Completely different thing.

I cannot speak accurately to how consulting works in the entertainment industry and if that's an actual notable point for this theory. I know for animation/3D movie production that they will get consultants for anything. Meaning if they just want to film/animate something correctly they would probably ask someone who already writes about it (not knowing that writer's work at all, I'm just assuming). I don't think this is a reach because we see stories like Adam Sandler hiring native american's to review his latest movie to make sure it's sensible for their culture (story here).

The part with conspiracy (which I gotta say too, I'm a huge conspiracy nut) you have to constantly ask yourself, "what's more likely?":

Is it more likely that this studio is being controlled by an anonymous group to fill it with political messages to persuade the masses into 1 trained thought.

OR

Movie is just seeking profit (like the point of any business) and wanted to make sure their action movie was well-made and had sensible writing for men/women for mass appeal.

Now to ask you a question. Do you think this is really a strong enough conspiracy theory to put your name behind it? Is it possible this is getting more light than it should because there's simply some gender war going on? If it's simply because there's this dumb gender thing going on then yea it's simply not just propaganda bashing.

 

[WickedJoe]

PS. Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? - PubMed - NCBI I'm fairly sure other studies have come to a similar conclusion, too.

What a great defense the gay community has if you criticize them their agenda, etc. If you dare criticize or think it's nasty you're either a closet homo, or insecure about your sexuality. Imagine all the weak minded men who stop criticizing and stop speaking their mind because of that brilliant defense. My guess is the entire recent gay acceptance movement is based mostly on this one simple bullshit meme. Sorry guys, I just don't want guys sucking each other off, but-fucking, shit-eating, child fucking on my fav tv shows. Is that even homophobic or just not wanting to see something you think is gross? Am i fecalphobic as well?

 

[jonbird]

What a great defense the gay community has if you criticize them their agenda, etc. If you dare criticize or think it's nasty you're either a closet homo, or insecure about your sexuality. Imagine all the weak minded men who stop criticizing and stop speaking their mind because of that brilliant defense. My guess is the entire recent gay acceptance movement is based mostly on this one simple bullshit meme. Sorry guys, I just don't want guys sucking each other off, but-fucking, shit-eating, child fucking on my fav tv shows. Is that even homophobic or just not wanting to see something you think is gross? Am i fecalphobic as well?

Scientific community, you mean? And yes, the movement towards homosexuality (and now gender) being normalised within civilised society is entirely based upon scientific research..

IMO the limited amount of dick on GoT is more than balanced out by the ample variety of boobs. Sorry if you don't feel the same way, but if you are seriously equating homosexuality with paedophillia in anything other than a strictly 'this deviates from normal sexuality' sense, I give up...

EDIT: Just a thought. The gay-mafia hiding in the shadows pushing their agenda down your throat via the mass-stream-media - just might - have grown up gay in an unaccepting society vs wanting to turn all the children gay for satanic reasons..

 

[JulianTrueFlynn]

What a great defense the gay community has if you criticize them their agenda, etc. If you dare criticize or think it's nasty you're either a closet homo, or insecure about your sexuality. Imagine all the weak minded men who stop criticizing and stop speaking their mind because of that brilliant defense. My guess is the entire recent gay acceptance movement is based mostly on this one simple bullshit meme. Sorry guys, I just don't want guys sucking each other off, but-fucking, shit-eating, child fucking on my fav tv shows. Is that even homophobic or just not wanting to see something you think is gross? Am i fecalphobic as well?

I think homophobia is being used a little light here. Do you have an abnormal hatred for homosexual men/women? Example, I'm talking if you had a child would you disown them simply for their sexual preference? I think the majority of straight guys can agree we simply don't enjoy the visual of 2 gay men being affectionate.

I just fail to find the link between shit-eating and being homosexual for similarities. Poop-play would be a fetish. Do you at least agree/understand why a show would be persuaded to add a gay couple to gain that viewership?

When done right it does not take away from the writing at all and only adds more entertainment. Like the Sopranos gay storyline was fantastic with Johnny's I thought. Not only did it have a man/man love storyline but it showed how the rest of the characters reacted to it and how in their culture it was not respected/allowed and raised a lot of questions.

 

[WickedJoe]

Scientific community, you mean? And yes, the movement towards homosexuality (and now gender) being normalised within civilised society is entirely based upon scientific research..

If you think psychology is real science then I feel sorry for you. For most things it's the science of name calling. There are some things everyone knows are crazy (like when get hallucinations or get Alzheimer) everything else is grey area and mostly name calling.

IMO the limited amount of dick on GoT is more than balanced out by the ample variety of boobs. Sorry if you don't feel the same way, but if you are seriously equating homosexuality with paedophillia in anything other than a strictly 'this deviates from normal sexuality' sense, I give up...

That's my point, pedophilia and fecalphilia, and hordes of other nasty shit is all being done, it's natural, etc. It's always been done. But yet I don't see you being a champion of those people getting air-time. It's just these other groups don't have Hollywood in their hands - probably the biggest propaganda machine in history. If you don't want to equate homosexuality rights with the rights of fecalphilia, bestiality, consenting peadophilia, etc.. then why don't you tell me why the homos are better than those other groups and why they deserve more air time? Why shouldnt we balance THEM ALL out on Got? What you got against shit eaters man? Are you a fuckin bigot, closet shit-eater!? Maybe I know a nice guy down the street who just so happens loves to eat shit! You calling him bad?

 

[WickedJoe]

I think homophobia is being used a little light here. Do you have an abnormal hatred for homosexual men/women?

No I don't hate them at all. I also don't think they're bad or wrong people. All human behavior is a bell-curve. It's all natural. I don't think we should try to convert them. I even support them having equal union rights, etc. I don't mind them on tv shows etc.. but I just don't like gay sex scenes for fuck sake.. so i guess I'm a closet homo according to the most over-used defense line of all time.

Example, I'm talking if you had a child would you disown them simply for their sexual preference?

I wound def not disown them, dislike them, etc. Would love em still. But still wouldn't want to see him fucking.

I think the majority of straight guys can agree we simply don't enjoy the visual of 2 gay men being affectionate.

Oh so you do understand.. Watch out, you might be a closet homo.

I just fail to find the link between shit-eating and being homosexual for similarities. Poop-play would be a fetish.

Scientifically speaking, we don't really know what is a fetish or not. We don't know how much of our sexual behavior is purely genetic vs environmental vs what we're looking when we have an orgasm (thus reinforcing that image with pleasure memory). There's absolutely nothing that says homosexuality is a more legit sex act than poop-play or shit eating or bestiality. Like I said, maybe I know a nice guy down the road who just so happens to enjoy eating shit and gets off on it.. is he a bad guy? It's not his fault he likes to eat shit.

So my point is, who decides what types of sex behaviors are shown, what sex group should get their air-time, etc. If you're going to show some abnormal behavior then why not it all. What percent of people have to do it in order to show it on GoT? Why shouldn't we normalize all abnormal behavior?

Do you at least agree/understand why a show would be persuaded to add a gay couple to gain that viewership?

Sure, but it's a bad excuse because they know they'd lose just as many as they'd gain. There are many religious people who wouldn't think about watching it, and then those who just don't like watching gay sex enough to stop watching the show.

 

[JulianTrueFlynn]

I believe there's a flaw in what you're saying though. What's happening in the market is the homosexual demographic emerging and becoming easy to target with our ads. Also, the entertainment industry is a reflection of what's going on with social issues. If they're seeing more money for whatever demographic they're going to put content to appeal to them. IF poop-play was a big enough market I'm sure we would see that more in entertainment, and Chipotle's stock would be smaller.

I understand if you voice your discontent and say 'hey, show more of the stuff I like!' Unfortunately as we know it's really not that straight forward for business if they have advertising and demographics to appeal to that are paying potentially more than you. I disagree if SJW label you as whatever for simply wanting to see more content you enjoy and you're not harming anyone else.

There is plenty of things that are marketed towards people who are just gay, straight, male, or female too. If a show goes for mass appeal don't be surprised to find some content you mind not find enjoyable.

As a side note since I can't edit my post anymore. When I was saying being affectionate in my post above, I meant to say sexual. Something like holding hands/hugging doesn't bother me but more graphic things are just unappealing (I guess what you would say is allowed in workplace typically).

 

[WickedJoe]

As a side note since I can't edit my post anymore. When I was saying being affectionate in my post above, I meant to say sexual. Something like holding hands/hugging doesn't bother me but more graphic things are just unappealing (I guess what you would say is allowed in workplace typically).

I feel the same basically. The only reason I might care a bit more about hugging/kissing these days is because it feels like they're trying to 'normalize' that stuff so that they can feel more confident about piling on the explicit stuff later on more popular tv shows/movies. I mean they've already shown this is what they want to do (GoT).

 

[andrewkar]

The plot of the movie and its execution is what I'm talking about.

When the writer of the fucking Vagina Monologues is a consultant for a lead in a Mad Max film, you know that it's fucked up.

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