Mark Zuckerberg interview on 60 Minutes

In a few years, you'll be logging onto the Internet through your Facebook account. They are building identity into what used to be a mostly anonymous Internet. Think about the value of that.
Hmm... Thought about it, and discarded your conclusion. You seem to be under the illusion that Google doesn't control the flow of all VALUABLE information on this planet.

Let facebook control all the teenies sexting each other and gossiping. -That only makes some advertisers rich, but there is no power in it.

Unarmed Gunman said:
Boy oh boy is that not telling the whole story! -In fact it looks like Zuckerberg himself had that commissioned...

We all know big G sits on the top of that list in reality. Can you honestly tell me that there is anything else out there as widely used as Google SERP page ads AND Adsense Ad displays? Please...


Unarmed Gunman said:
Furthermore, sites that have integrated the Open Graph protocol are already showing up in Facebook search, whereas sites that haven't implemented it do not. Talk about another huge impetus to get site owners to become part of the Open Graph - the amount of traffic that Facebook can deliver to your sites from searches is huge.
Facebook search? Is that like Google Search or something? I wouldn't know. I'm not a teenager in heat. -No businesses search using it, nor do any adults at all at this point. I can only imagine the tweenie gossip that results when you use it!

Unarmed Gunman said:
Once Google begins to lose all of this revenue to Facebook, I wouldn't be surprised to Facebook acquire them in order to get a hold of Google's superior search technology and really put the icing on the cake.
OK, you've gone too far on this one. Seek medical help.
Wait; Scratch that... Let's do this instead: Take out a paper and pencil and do the following:
Draw a vertical line down the middle. On the left half, list all of the products and ways facebook as slipped into society, such as "Status Updates" and "Games like Farmville." Things that have caught on for the masses.
On the right, do the same for Google. You know, search, chrome, Buzz, voice, Android, gmail, docs, scholar, knowl, accounts, adwords, adsense, etc, etc. If you need help thinking of these, check out Google Labs. -Although established services are already taken out of there.

Add to this little equation that google has already spent FAR more than the total worth of Facebook on Green Energy generation alone in the united states, so it will be a major energy seller in the coming years too.

When done, ask yourself again who is going to acquire whom.
 


Lol what you guys don't understand he literally doesn't have $50 billion or anywhere remotely close to that in his bank accounts. Facebook literally just turned slightly profitable 10 months ago.

If you watched the interview you would know his personal worth is $6.9 billion
 
Even if it is "just a fad" you have a bunch of people with literally their entire highschool and college memories on Facebook in the form of photos. I doubt if many people have kept backups of all those pictures that are uploaded. You're not just going to quit something when you have that much of your life invested in it.
 
Hmm... Thought about it, and discarded your conclusion. You seem to be under the illusion that Google doesn't control the flow of all VALUABLE information on this planet.

Google doesn't know your race, Facebook does. Google doesn't know your sex, Facebook does. Google doesn't know your age, Facebook does. Google doesn't know who your friends and family are, Facebook does. Google doesn't know what your interests are, Facebook does. I could go on....

If you don't understand the value of that type of information, what are you doing on a marketing forum?

Let facebook control all the teenies sexting each other and gossiping. -That only makes some advertisers rich, but there is no power in it.

You are vastly underestimating the reach and audience of Facebook. You seem to be describing MySpace, not Facebook.

We all know big G sits on the top of that list in reality. Can you honestly tell me that there is anything else out there as widely used as Google SERP page ads AND Adsense Ad displays? Please...

The numbers don't lie, just because you don't like them. Comscore is as reputable of a source as there is. If you knew anything, you'd know that Yahoo was always #1 in display - that crown has never been worn by Google. You seem to be confusing different types of advertising.

Facebook search? Is that like Google Search or something? I wouldn't know. I'm not a teenager in heat. -No businesses search using it, nor do any adults at all at this point. I can only imagine the tweenie gossip that results when you use it!

Now it feels like you're just trolling me. However, Facebook search does need serious work.

Draw a vertical line down the middle. On the left half, list all of the products and ways facebook as slipped into society, such as "Status Updates" and "Games like Farmville." Things that have caught on for the masses.
On the right, do the same for Google. You know, search, chrome, Buzz, voice, Android, gmail, docs, scholar, knowl, accounts, adwords, adsense, etc, etc. If you need help thinking of these, check out Google Labs. -Although established services are already taken out of there.

Your Google list is reaching a bit. Buzz? Nobody uses it. Knol? Nobody uses it. Most of the stuff in Labs doesn't get used by many people outside of developers. GMail is huge. Search is huge. Adwords/Adsense is huge. However, look at where their revenue actually comes from - almost all of it is from adwords/adsense. Facebook is in a position to threaten them in content right now. They may not be able to fuck with them in search for awhile, but that loss of revenue from content ads alone could be a game changer for both companies.

Do you have adsense on any sites? Would you switch over to Facebook's version if you saw a higher CTR and eCPM? With the data Facebook already has they can make this happen in the very near future.

Nobody stays on top forever.
 
UG; Thank you for a fun sparring session... It's usually all to easy to win and you are making some decent points here. Now to continue...

Google doesn't know your race, Facebook does. Google doesn't know your sex, Facebook does. Google doesn't know your age, Facebook does. Google doesn't know who your friends and family are, Facebook does. Google doesn't know what your interests are, Facebook does. I could go on....
Yeah, facebook specializes in targeting info, I do get the point you're making here.

My point supercedes it though. Those are great for marketers. Google isn't just about selling stuff to marketers though. They make money in more ways than just some ad revenue. (And are planning to explode soon in that respect.)


Unarmed Gunman said:
You are vastly underestimating the reach and audience of Facebook. You seem to be describing MySpace, not Facebook.
All I know really is that the world is FULL of idiots who I wouldn't piss on to put their fires out. -You know, Facebook users.

Funny thing though is that facebook users/idiots grow up. Maybe one day they'll be smart enough to stop spending all their damn time online gossiping. (Ok, I kinda doubt it too. I even met an adult once who uses it for marketing their MLM biz, although I had to pry that admission out of them...)

I guess I'd better concede this point then; we can make a hell of a lot of money selling to these sheeple. Maybe more than through google one day. I guess I just don't WANT the world to be that stupid and gullible; therein lies my problem.


Unarmed Gunman said:
Now it feels like you're just trolling me. However, Facebook search does need serious work.
This was a very valid point; Do you think one single business on earth uses facebook search for their business search needs?


Unarmed Gunman said:
Your Google list is reaching a bit.
Fine, push aside the ho-hum stuff and think about these four:

Android - The new #1 mobile OS, overtaking iOS this month.
Chrome - The only secure browser that is rapidly gaining marketshare
Chrome OS - A very likely future dominate OS for the rest of computers
Adwords/Adsense - Still ubiquitous across most websites and with the entire business world bar none.

One is the current Ad platform king and the other 3 are places google is very likely going to be able to put other types of ads... Maybe even replacing facebook ads someday if the competition gets tough?


Unarmed Gunman said:
Do you have adsense on any sites? Would you switch over to Facebook's version if you saw a higher CTR and eCPM? With the data Facebook already has they can make this happen in the very near future.
So you're suggesting FB will build its' own "Content Network" and sell ads there too? I think not.

The problem with this is if I go in and join their adsense-like service, I'd have no targeted user info about my traffic to give them... Simply put, they wouldn't want me; their advertisers wouldn't want my site, because they are used to all the targeting data on facebook's pages and mine would be an unknown.

They will always be limited to their own online real estate... Which has reached its' full size already, b/c there are more friggin FB accounts than there are people on earth with an internet connection.
 
If you watched the interview you would know his personal worth is $6.9 billion

While I did not watch the video/interview in it's entirety, I still find that number hard to believe. Though I guess on second thought that would make sense as to why Facebook just barely turned profitable less than 10 months ago.

Edit: I guess they draw that number from his 24% ownership in Facebook.
 
you certainly would if you were all about the money. But look at this guys life - he's one of the richest people on the planet, and he's not off living some ridiculous playboy lifestyle like an idiot pro athlete. He's working his ass off, at his nondescript desk surrounded by his coders, wearing t-shirts and flip flops.

The "he's going to blow it all" speculation is a crock.

However, have you seen his girlfriend?

Yes, I'm a shallow, lazy fuck.

He deserves all the credit in the world for what he did and what he has done, but I implore people not to worship him because he chose to continue working over money. He is essentially a self-proclaimed control freak and simply cares more about affecting the way people interact socially than money.

Which is better?

Being shallow and running off with the money, or being a control freak?

I have no idea.....don't really care either.

Just saying, I'd run and run fast with the offers he got. That's just me, and I'm happy with that.
 
Zuckerberg is a huge cunt that was just in the right place at the right time, and a shitty executive. He'll blow it all or lose it all.

+1. i dont know how a guy like that couldnt have all the confidence in the world all the time, and just be a motherfucking bauce.

when that woman in the vid said "...and we're not even yelling at you", i'd have made some subtle remark putting her in her place. nothing obnoxious or classless, just something to let her know to have more resepect.
 
My point supercedes it though. Those are great for marketers. Google isn't just about selling stuff to marketers though. They make money in more ways than just some ad revenue. (And are planning to explode soon in that respect.)

Google is able to do all of the wonderful things you referenced such as with the green initiatives, and all the cool things in Labs solely because of the cash cow that Adsense/Adwords is - 90% of their revenue comes from that. If anybody (such as Facebook) is able to put a dent in that revenue, a lot of their leverage will disappear. Don't forget - they are publicly traded now too, which limits their flexibility. Investors want immediate profits and share price increases, not investments towards the future. Facebook has no such constraints.

All I know really is that the world is FULL of idiots who I wouldn't piss on to put their fires out. -You know, Facebook users.

Funny thing though is that facebook users/idiots grow up. Maybe one day they'll be smart enough to stop spending all their damn time online gossiping. (Ok, I kinda doubt it too. I even met an adult once who uses it for marketing their MLM biz, although I had to pry that admission out of them...)

I guess I'd better concede this point then; we can make a hell of a lot of money selling to these sheeple. Maybe more than through google one day. I guess I just don't WANT the world to be that stupid and gullible; therein lies my problem.

Yeah I'm not saying I love the average Facebook user, but that goes for the majority of the population. I could say the same about the average person that watches Dancing With The Stars or whatever. But yes, as marketers, it is our job to uncover and exploit consumer trends in a manner that allows us to profit off of people.

This was a very valid point; Do you think one single business on earth uses facebook search for their business search needs?

I think you're more right than wrong on the point about Facebook search. Their search technology sucks. I have seen sites implementing the Open Graph already (around 300,000 was the last number I saw) for various reasons, but few of them are doing it just to get into Facebook search. My point is with that much search traffic, they will figure out a way to monetize it. Remember, Google did one thing well 10 years ago. Once they figured out a way to monetize it, they had the cash to jump into lots of other shit. Facebook has a cash cow with display advertising, so they can just sit back and figure out how best to invest that revenue. In the meantime, the data they are collecting on their 500 million users is pure gold.

Fine, push aside the ho-hum stuff and think about these four:

Android - The new #1 mobile OS, overtaking iOS this month.
Chrome - The only secure browser that is rapidly gaining marketshare
Chrome OS - A very likely future dominate OS for the rest of computers
Adwords/Adsense - Still ubiquitous across most websites and with the entire business world bar none.

One is the current Ad platform king and the other 3 are places google is very likely going to be able to put other types of ads... Maybe even replacing facebook ads someday if the competition gets tough?

Android is nice. I don't really see how it fits with their core business, but I'm far from an expert. Chrome is nice, but people are reluctant to change their browser (IE is still killing every browser in marketshare despite being a clearly inferior product for 5 years at least). Chrome OS is a pipe dream. Apple has 5% market share and they are HUGE. There is nothing to indicate that people would start switching to a Google OS, and the only way that might influence their revenue at all would be to have an OS that comes stock with Google search. Big deal - most of those users already use Google search. The reality is, most of Google's revenue comes from two sources, ads on search, and ads on content.

So you're suggesting FB will build its' own "Content Network" and sell ads there too? I think not.

The problem with this is if I go in and join their adsense-like service, I'd have no targeted user info about my traffic to give them... Simply put, they wouldn't want me; their advertisers wouldn't want my site, because they are used to all the targeting data on facebook's pages and mine would be an unknown.

They will always be limited to their own online real estate... Which has reached its' full size already, b/c there are more friggin FB accounts than there are people on earth with an internet connection.

Once again, that is the whole point of the Open Graph. The Open Graph allows Facebook to gather the data on it's users - you don't have to have any data to give them. They just want you to implement the Open Graph on your site. It doesn't matter if you only have 500 visitors/month - chances are over half of those visitors have a Facebook account, which means Facebook can show them ultra-targeted ads while they are on your site (based on the data they have collected on those users from their profile and across the Internet from other Open Graph sites) This better targeting will result in higher CTR's and will allow them to charge advertisers a higher PPC, which in turn will allow them to offer you the site owner a higher eCPM than you can get with Adsense. This isn't some little rinky-dink start-up PPC network, They already run a PPC platform on their own real estate, so they have the technology to roll it out, and with their branding and reach it won't take long to get site owners to switch. Search will obviously take longer because that is their biggest weakness right now.
 
Really enjoyed reading the 2 points of view here. I think facebook is here to stay for a long while, but time will tell.

Oh, and Zuckerberg hustled his ass off to get what he has (even if some of the hustling was unethical).
 
If anybody (such as Facebook) is able to put a dent in that revenue, a lot of their leverage will disappear. Don't forget - they are publicly traded now too, which limits their flexibility. Investors want immediate profits and share price increases, not investments towards the future. Facebook has no such constraints.
Good point. Survival of the fittest and all. However, this must be why G just paid to develop the new US electric grid, and about 60+ new Green sources of electricity for it... They see the day coming when adwords won't pay all the bills and have diversified into being the electric company. So far they've broken ground on more Gigawatts than all of the UK.

So if you assume they will have an income stream from that... At least enough to stay dominate in search by default, then it can't all come tumbling down. At worst it will be another stalemate like Yahoo and Google had for years.


Unarmed Gunman said:
Android is nice. I don't really see how it fits with their core business, but I'm far from an expert.
Estimates are currently that by the year 2012, more people will get online PRIMARILY on their cellphones than at home. That will easily make Android the new Windows. So basically They're edging Microsoft out of the sweetspot from which they can push Chrome browser instead of IE.


Unarmed Gunman said:
Chrome OS is a pipe dream. Apple has 5% market share and they are HUGE. There is nothing to indicate that people would start switching to a Google OS, and the only way that might influence their revenue at all would be to have an OS that comes stock with Google search. Big deal - most of those users already use Google search. The reality is, most of Google's revenue comes from two sources, ads on search, and ads on content.

You're right in that it won't be a fiscal boom for G like it was for MS, but the fact is that Chrome OS is NO pipe dream. If you've ever used any existing cloud OS (I use Ghost for now) you'll see the raw promise of no one ever owning an operating system again... Nor being tied to licenses or physical equipment. Basically the desktop becomes a dumb terminal, and you access exactly what you want from EVERYWHERE, including your phone & office console. Heck, your TV too.

This nail in the coffin of microsoft will happen BIG and FAST, and will pretty much leave google in a very large percentage of the world's machinery. Apple, Blackberry, everyone will lose much of their current marketshare to google on that day... It's just too convenient to not adopt.

-And I bet G can find a way to put some ads in there somehow!

Unarmed Gunman said:
The Open Graph allows Facebook to gather the data on it's users - you don't have to have any data to give them. They just want you to implement the Open Graph on your site.
Interesting... Had no idea it was that big. I guess I'll have to go read about Open Graph now... Try it out when I can. I'm much more of a farmer than a marketer so yeah, I'd certainly go with facebook ads on my site if they pay me more than adsense. Three's a lot they could fuck up though so I'm not holding my breath.

I'd love, in fact, to get Google Adsense off my site because I rely soley on Google Search Engine to send my traffic. Zuck has a real chance here with Open Graph, because I know I'm not alone in that feeling.

SO, what we're essentially talking about here is a near future (2012?) where we all still get traffic from G search, but monetize with and sell through FB. This might mean G Search won't have the budget it does now and eventually decline in quality. It will stick around though.

BUT, we'll also use Goog for our phone service, our home and work OSs, and they'll soon be the power company we all send checks off to each month. Of course there will still be an adsense but if Open Graph does exactly what you say, adsense will be for hitting people outside of their browsing only. The rest of the time FB will be the monetizer of choice.

Poor Bill. The only real loser appears to be Microsoft in all of this. No one is buying their damn phones. :D