This has gotta be the most stupid post of all time. This in no way justifies taxes or the obscene amounts that are spent. Since you're apparently from "Spain", you either (A) Fled this country for that reason or (B) You've never lived here so you don't know wtf you're talking about. The fact of the matter is; taxes are acceptable in minimal amounts. But for the government to obviously have billions upon billions upon billions of dollars to blow on bullshit mars landing, these bullshit wars that get our country no where - no to mention God knows what other expenses and programs when we have a shit load of problems, is mind blowing. I'll end this by saying fuck taxes, fuck what they support, fuck all those who support it and fuck this government.
Mars Mission: $2.5 billion - Worth It Given Alternatives?
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This has gotta be the most stupid post of all time. This in no way justifies taxes or the obscene amounts that are spent. Since you're apparently from "Spain", you either (A) Fled this country for that reason or (B) You've never lived here so you don't know wtf you're talking about. The fact of the matter is; taxes are acceptable in minimal amounts. But for the government to obviously have billions upon billions upon billions of dollars to blow on bullshit mars landing, these bullshit wars that get our country no where - no to mention God knows what other expenses and programs when we have a shit load of problems, is mind blowing. I'll end this by saying fuck taxes, fuck what they support, fuck all those who support it and fuck this government.
That's the government's fault because of all their safety regulations, red tape and taxes, you fool! How can you run a business efficiently when you're at gunpoint by your government?
You don't have all the answers and the one you did come up with is a retarded one. If we were given the option to pay for all that shit, nobody would pay for it. Infrastructure would fail. You would have privatized roads where you would have to pay a toll to use roads and a whole bunch of other shit. Talk about inconvenient.
In the end if there was no government and taxes the whole country would turn into mexico, but shittier. Gangs and organized crime would rule over cities.
There is a reason why we have government. Everyone appoints some sort of entity to look over and manage everything. Paying taxes is part of that process. Nobody likes to do it, but its whats required to keep this country running. If there was no government there would be nobody to stop someone like china, from coming over and taking over. Then there would be a government and it wouldn't be an option.
You can bitch all you want about the amount of taxes you have to pay and what that money is used for, but once you start bringing up no government and letting everyone be free, that's when you start to sound crazy.
Ah, so taxes ARE OK. Who's going to determine what the acceptable level of taxes are? Who's going to decide where those taxes are spent? The government perhaps? And I don't know WTF I'm talking about!
I'm sure you'd happily pay for the concentration camps and gas chambers though, right? Nazi faggot.
You guys crack me up. It's 6am and I'm going to bed. I'll leave you with this...
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvKIWjnEPNY]Constitutional Peasants - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvKIWjnEPNY]Constitutional Peasants - YouTube[/ame]
It's about 6AM in Spain so you are now confirmed as part of a failed nation.
Why did you try lying to us and saying you're in Canada? Are you ashamed of your failed state?
Have fun with your stagflation.
You apparently have a reading comprehension problem along with your other issues.
Name calling/talking shit immediately puts the other person on the defensive and makes them much more unwilling to see the point(s) you're trying to make. Stop it, fags.
That's the problem, taxation is never acceptable in any amount. Nothing is okay when there's the threat of the initiation of force. No one would ever make the case that rape is okay in small amounts, or child abuse, or slavery, etc. People imo have a hard time seeing taxation for what it is because they've been indoctrinated their entire life; I'm hopeful it's something we'll grow out of.
That's the problem, taxation is never acceptable in any amount. Nothing is okay when there's the threat of the initiation of force. No one would ever make the case that rape is okay in small amounts, or child abuse, or slavery, etc. People imo have a hard time seeing taxation for what it is because they've been indoctrinated their entire life; I'm hopeful it's something we'll grow out of.
Agreed, you need taxes.. But if you poured those tens of trillions back into the tax pool, the amount people would have to pay would much, MUCH less (by a good fraction I'm sure). Taxes are needed and useful, but not in these amounts.
I'm gonna determine that, I'm the fuhrer and one day you'll bow to me. Accept it for what it is. Furthermore, concentration camps are useful to eliminate the trash, democrats, liberals, etc; such as yourself. Let us not forget, the russians, japs, other european nations and even your wonderful america even had camps. So let's not get all huffy puffy over the insanely cool germans.
Do we enjoy taxes? No.
Are most of us happy that at least some of the taxes are going towards science & exploration instead of more wasteful ventures? yes.
End of Thread.
Are most of us happy that at least some of the taxes are going towards science & exploration instead of more wasteful ventures? yes.
End of Thread.
If someone's furnace or toilet stops working, private plumbing and heating people will come right out and then bill the person. If people weren't able to pay a firefighting bill, then groups like the Red Cross would help.
American Red Cross - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 2006 the organization had over $6 billion in total revenues
Red Cross emergency financial assistance was provided to 1.4 million families, which encompassed a total of 4 million people
Private highways in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the state of Indiana received $3.8 billion from a foreign consortium... in exchange the state ceded operation of the 157-mile (253 km) Indiana Toll Road for the next 75 years to these outside corporations. The consortium will collect all the tolls.
The National Bridge Inventory lists roughly 2,200 privately owned highway bridges
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZJk4CrxctQ]SpaceX's Dragon to Return Americans to Space - YouTube[/ame]
@erif: Still on ignore, fuckwit.
@Dresden: taxes are IMMORAL. You do not HAVE to do something immoral unless a gun is pointed at you. I know others are going to tell me I'm a moron for trying to find morality in a Nazi, but surely you can see that this scenario is flawed at it's core?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs]George Ought to Help - YouTube[/ame]
If you can see the problem here, that initiating violence against others is immoral and wrong, then all you have to do to accept anarchy is get past this silly notion that "it would be too inconvenient" to not send all your money to one central location.
That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We're humans, we find solutions for tiny little details like making a few more payments than we already do. That shit's easy... Being shot for not doing something immoral is far, far harder.
@Dresden: taxes are IMMORAL. You do not HAVE to do something immoral unless a gun is pointed at you. I know others are going to tell me I'm a moron for trying to find morality in a Nazi, but surely you can see that this scenario is flawed at it's core?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs]George Ought to Help - YouTube[/ame]
If you can see the problem here, that initiating violence against others is immoral and wrong, then all you have to do to accept anarchy is get past this silly notion that "it would be too inconvenient" to not send all your money to one central location.
That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We're humans, we find solutions for tiny little details like making a few more payments than we already do. That shit's easy... Being shot for not doing something immoral is far, far harder.
Apparently not. Judging from this thread, I think the majority would prefer to have their $8 back, versus NASA going to Mars.
Initiating violence is human nature, its foolish to believe we can avoid it. People on here yap on about living like a caveman with their paleo diets, do you think they weren't violent to each other?
Your stories would be a lot easier to swallow if you didn't use hyperbole like 'being shot' for not paying taxes. Being audited by the IRS is not 'violence', being arrested for not paying taxes is not violence, going to court for not paying taxes is not violence, going to jail is not violence. There is no threat of violence, the only threat is jail. The violence in jail is perpetrated by other humans.
Fuck you Moxie, the bridge I drive to work on just became private less than a year ago, and is now a toll bridge. It started at $3-4 EACH WAY and they're talking about doubling it because nobody wants to use it so the cost goes up for those that do.
Everyone takes the free bridge 3 miles south, EXCEPT NOW EVERYONE TAKES THE FREE BRIDGE because nobody wants to pay $8 to go to work to drive over less than 1 mile of bridge they've driven over for decades for free. And the free bridge was a clusterfuck before because several highways merge together and you're just fucked no matter what time it is. Let alone now.
It's a transfer of wealth. Politicians get kickbacks, private co gets to rape the public.
Now they're closing the FREE BRIDGE for construction and telling everyone to sign up for the toll bridge savings plan called the "good to go pass".
Not only can the company then jack up rates, but they charge higher rates at rush hour too fucking jewish niggers WSDOT - Toll Rates
I was in the red cross during hurricane katrina in southern alabama. It's a cluster fuck and what we gave to people were vouchers to walmart to replace clothing, buy food, and pile people in a community center on fucking military style cots until they had a place to leave to. Many left the state to stay with relatives across the country. We used fucking shower in a bag babywipes to bath. We didn't fix them up in a nice new house, we gave them a fucking coupon to walmart. Up to $1600(had to be used at walmart specifically) worth for a family with 4 dependents. And the red cross is funded by donations. More people needing it depletes the resource.
Everyone takes the free bridge 3 miles south, EXCEPT NOW EVERYONE TAKES THE FREE BRIDGE because nobody wants to pay $8 to go to work to drive over less than 1 mile of bridge they've driven over for decades for free. And the free bridge was a clusterfuck before because several highways merge together and you're just fucked no matter what time it is. Let alone now.
It's a transfer of wealth. Politicians get kickbacks, private co gets to rape the public.
Now they're closing the FREE BRIDGE for construction and telling everyone to sign up for the toll bridge savings plan called the "good to go pass".
Not only can the company then jack up rates, but they charge higher rates at rush hour too fucking jewish niggers WSDOT - Toll Rates
I was in the red cross during hurricane katrina in southern alabama. It's a cluster fuck and what we gave to people were vouchers to walmart to replace clothing, buy food, and pile people in a community center on fucking military style cots until they had a place to leave to. Many left the state to stay with relatives across the country. We used fucking shower in a bag babywipes to bath. We didn't fix them up in a nice new house, we gave them a fucking coupon to walmart. Up to $1600(had to be used at walmart specifically) worth for a family with 4 dependents. And the red cross is funded by donations. More people needing it depletes the resource.
Despite taxes being immoral 100% of the time, I actually am glad that 8 of my dollars went to this cause. I'd just prefer it have gone from me directly instead of by force through the state. (And before you say I wouldn't have donated to NASA without force, see my comment above about the planetary society.)
Sure they were, they were primates.
They didn't believe in the Non-Aggression Principle yet.
You don't seem to know what we're advocating. No one here is saying those were good anarchists.
See the vid above. If you choose not to pay, you can indeed eventually be shot. That's simply unacceptable in a civilized society, of course we've never had a civilized society before so take that however you want...
...And more people not forced to pay taxes would mean more money available to donate to charities.
How often do you use violence to solve problems? Most people are not violent. Advocating for a system which exists only through the threat of violence is the same as saying rape is okay because some people rape. It doesn't make sense.
You are 100% wrong. If you resist any of these things, which are immoral, you will be shot. It is all backed by violence, otherwise there would be no incentive for people to be obedient to the system.