And we have the right to choose to not be around them. That's all we're saying buddy.
Muslims behead a 9-year-old boy
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And we have the right to choose to not be around them. That's all we're saying buddy.
And if you, someone with a brain and reasoning ability doesn't feel comfortable around them, what do you think their daily life is like here around the real morons.
Check this shit out from 3 days ago
Two Muslim men in traditional Muslim attire were removed from an airplane after other passengers said they were uncomfortable. The men were on their way to a (get ready...) conference on prejudice against Muslims : reddit.com
But you're basing that decision on extremely isolated incidents and an agenda'd media narrative. Moxie posted that you are 8 times as likely to die by a cop then a terrorist, nobody here is saying they should have the right to choose not to be around cops.
Its irrational fear and the consequences are terrible for society. You do have the right to subscribe to that, the rest of us just wish you wouldn't.
Can't be born muslim, christian or any other religious belief. It isn't genetic, it is a belief system.
You can be born into a family that subscribes to those beliefs, but that doesn't mean you have to, or that you will subscribe to those same beliefs.
wouldn't that then require suicide on your part? uniting atheists would be like forming a religion
You're also largely comparing very wealthy countries that aren't strict on religious practice, but also with countries like Iran and Pakistan, stoning or hanging for the charge of "Blasphemy" isn't counted as a homicide.
Sure, you don't have to go along with it at all, if you don't mind being beheaded obviously.
I'm not claiming to tell you how to raise your kid.
I'm just saying, there's some ethical tainting of men going on if as a rule men are not allowed near children.
If that's how you raise your kids, fair enough. You're not the only one who thinks this way. But you are basically saying something about men as a group when you do something like that.
And you have to ask yourself what that is, and whether you are comfortable with that. As a man, and as a man who would have to rain another male (if you have a son).
Am I wrong for saying men are being excessively demonized by society with this sort of attitude?
Not over here they're not. Most terrorists here are catholic or protestant.
Same in Africa - try spending some time in Uganda, and it will be the Lord's Resistance Army that will rape and kill you.
As for the middle east - most Iranians? They enjoy partying, screwing around and getting drunk. Same as westerners. It's just their fucker of a government that says otherwise. The majority of Iranians fucking hate their government. They were perfectly happy with the old secular leaders they had, until the US deposed them because they didn't fit their foreign policy agenda.
Some people on this thread would really benefit from a. studying world history and b. some travel to actually see these places and meet people from other cultures, rather than just believing what they see on the Internet / TV. Ranting on about this group or other all being evil just make you sound ignorant and scared.
So you're saying its more complicated than just saying "Muslim" and that other factors like relative wealth and governing body might play into it?
Gotcha. Too bad that makes writing attention grabbing headlines harder.
Absolutely not. Its totally fucked up. Many men are now scared to be anywhere near children. Again, its because a few incidents and coupled with media sensationalism that starts to actually change society. Risks are not accurately understood, and fear takes over reason.
And does anybody think kids are better off in a society where most grown men are scared to interact or even smile at them for risk of being labeled a child molester?
Thats my point with Muslim - Terrorist thing as well, its destructive on so many levels. And everyone who plays into this crap feeds it.
Kind of related to the turn this thread has taken, on Mother's Day I was handling one of my fiancee's nephews who is like 6 months old or something and I was scared shitless of accidentally touching his ass or something and his mom or someone else flipping out. Feels bad man.
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I actually think they should work harder to put an end to this terrorist bullshit. I actually think if more of them stood together and said we will not tolerate this, we will make sure you are caught and prosecuted if you commit these acts, then the problem would become less and less.
But more in response to what you said, my grandmother was 86 when she died. She was raised a Christian from early childhood. If someone had asked her to denounce her religion or die, she would have picked Christianity. Sweet old lady and would have taken a bullet before denouncing her religion. I have to imagine that many of these people feel the same way.
You guys all forget that it was only a few hundred years ago when Christians were murdering innocent people who refused to convert to Christianity. Religion makes people do fucked up things (although it can be good too in some instances.) But unless you ban all religion, this type of violence will continue until the world disappears. I don't think anyone condones this killing, but this type of shit has been going on for ages and will continue.
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Can you prove any of this, or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass.
The Silent Extermination of Iraq's 'Christian Dogs' :: Middle East Forum
April 19, 2011
Last week an Iraqi Muslim scholar issued a fatwa that, among other barbarities, asserts that "it is permissible to spill the blood of Iraqi Christians." Inciting as the fatwa is, it is also redundant. While last October's Baghdad church attack which killed some sixty Christians is widely known—actually receiving some MSM coverage—the fact is, Christian life in Iraq has been a living hell ever since U.S. forces ousted the late Saddam Hussein in 2003.
The Silent Extermination of Iraq's 'Christian Dogs' :: Middle East Forum
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/03/28/muslim-jihad-in-christian-ethiopia-lessons-for-the-west/
Thousands of Christians have been forced to flee their homes in Western Ethiopia after Muslim extremists set fire to roughly 50 churches and dozens of Christian homes. At least one Christian has been killed, many more have been injured and anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000 have been displaced in the attacks that began March 2 after a Christian in the community of Asendabo was accused of desecrating the Koran.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mosque...rches-perish-in-muslim-world/?singlepage=true
Mosques Flourish in America; Churches Perish in Muslim World
As mosques, some of which breed radicalization and serve as terrorist bases, start dotting America’s landscape, churches are on their way to becoming extinct in the Middle East, the cradle of Christianity.
^^ THIS!
It does seem like a majority of the world wide islamic community/faith really don't spend enough effort speaking out, stopping, denouncing, etc...
It's kind of like why the police don't work so hard in the ghetto -- if no one will talk to them or help, they can't do crap. So eventually the police ignore an area.
That area gets worse. The people blame the police, the police blame the people -- and it doesn't get better till one or two good people stand up and start talking.
Once it does - it's a snowball effect and the bad guys start going to jail.
Who here wouldn't take steps against your WHITE neighbor if he was planning on blowing up a school? If you even had a suspicion he was going to - wouldn't you try and stop it?
Hey - maybe the islamic community as a majority IS denoucing and the media just isn't showing it.
It doesn't seem that way to most though. When you have an ass load of your believers thinking everyone else should convert or die by the sword you really can't have respect for others.
Maybe the "christians" grew out of this after they grew up enough in their faith to have missionaries. I've never seen a islamic missionary - do they exist?
I just spoke to very nice Muslim lady yesterday and today see this thread...
I will tell you Muslim guys why you are seen as "terrorists" by Western people.
Look. I'm a Catholic from birth because that was the religion of my parents. The church fucked up with dealing with pedophilia inside the church. Reaction? Ireland lost a BIG percentage of Catholics. People stopped attend the churches, many quit the church forever. Catholic church in Eastern Europe is loosing its influence for scandals and mixing religion with politics.
So this is a kind of reaction normal people expect from you, Muslim guys. Every single mosque and your religious leaders, as we would like to expect, should point the terrorism, intolerance, killing, bad treatment of women etc and clearly say "this is bad". But they don't do that. You don't see thousands of Muslims protesting against violence against women, ancient punishment system etc. You silence mean acceptance of it, at least for us non-Muslims. If there was no reaction from Catholics in Ireland you could assume Catholics support pedophilia or something like that. But they quit the church mostly because of lack of the proper reaction form the Catholic leaders. And this is something we would like to see. Not anti-American Pakistanis crying after Osama's death.
I'm not saying you are all bad guys. I know a lot of Muslims personally but I'm afraid you don't want any changes. Any form of discussion is treated by you as an attack on Islam.
Treating Western World as your enemy doesn't make any sense. It is a Western World which allowed you to come, stay, pray. Very often Western gave cash for your mosques and created the law protecting you from intolerance. How you can call someone doing this your enemy? But if you have something against jeans and coca-cola you probably should stay in your countries.
I will tell you Muslim guys why you are seen as "terrorists" by Western people.
Look. I'm a Catholic from birth because that was the religion of my parents. The church fucked up with dealing with pedophilia inside the church. Reaction? Ireland lost a BIG percentage of Catholics. People stopped attend the churches, many quit the church forever. Catholic church in Eastern Europe is loosing its influence for scandals and mixing religion with politics.
So this is a kind of reaction normal people expect from you, Muslim guys. Every single mosque and your religious leaders, as we would like to expect, should point the terrorism, intolerance, killing, bad treatment of women etc and clearly say "this is bad". But they don't do that. You don't see thousands of Muslims protesting against violence against women, ancient punishment system etc. You silence mean acceptance of it, at least for us non-Muslims. If there was no reaction from Catholics in Ireland you could assume Catholics support pedophilia or something like that. But they quit the church mostly because of lack of the proper reaction form the Catholic leaders. And this is something we would like to see. Not anti-American Pakistanis crying after Osama's death.
I'm not saying you are all bad guys. I know a lot of Muslims personally but I'm afraid you don't want any changes. Any form of discussion is treated by you as an attack on Islam.
Treating Western World as your enemy doesn't make any sense. It is a Western World which allowed you to come, stay, pray. Very often Western gave cash for your mosques and created the law protecting you from intolerance. How you can call someone doing this your enemy? But if you have something against jeans and coca-cola you probably should stay in your countries.