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rusvik said:
Please, that kind of misunderstood liberalism is very dangerous. You're advocating the same kind of cultural relativism that has been the entire reason for Europe/Australias huge immigration problems. There's civil war boiling just beneath the surface but you don't see it. All it takes is one wrong move by some cop who kills a muslim thug and they will riot, not just locally but from England to France to Denmark to Sydney.

Islam is the worst ideology on the face of the earth. It's the exact anti-thesis to any kind of liberty. I really can't understand why some people feel the need to defend this kind of barbary.
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You are mixing having open minded views, with having liberal views.

Personally, I believe most people posting these types of videos are equally misguided for the same reason surgeon mentioned.

However, I'd be completely against allowing LOWER CLASS Muslims into the country where I live. Actually, strike that. I oppose letting lower class ANYONE into this country. Want to migrate? Then prove you aren't a peasant with a peasant mentality.

Lower class black (like pewep), Muslims (like the ones in the video) or whites (like Dresden) are generally ignorant and therefore afraid and easily become violent.

I'm almost 100% certain the Muslims you see in that video are not doctors, lawyers and architects. They are thugs. And thugs, regardless of nationality, ethnicity or race are violent, backward and ignorant. It is a bit insulting, since the thugs are demanding a respect that they give, but, who cares, they are thugs. Don't let them in. If you do, blame your leaders.

Does the muslim world have a lower % of 'normal people'? Of course, the gene coefficient after Africa is worst there. Is it any wonder why there would be a high amount of fanatics when there is a low grade of education?

But ask yourself this: IF you know that poor people all over are backward, and you KNOW that an educated upper class blackman is just as civilized as the upper class white man, than why can't you figure the same out with Christian vs Muslim? What forces WANT you to have the perspective you have? In who's interest is it?
 


wezcountry said:
Ah ... a mind reader eh? You might do well to think less about epistemology and have a peek at Islamic eschatology. And as it happens my 'belief' about Islam is pretty static these days: Islam, like all religion, is fucked-up.
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Actually, as it happens, I agree with the above statement.

My point isn't to argue for or against Islam - that would be a total waste of mine and your time. We each have our own viewpoints, and nothing we post backwards or forwards is going to really change them.

It's really to request that if you're going to post on this subject, at least go to the trouble of putting something thoughtful. You're clearly an intelligent person, so why are you reposting badly edited, third-hand propaganda? It does you no favours at all. The EDL are small-minded morons, just like the BNP. A look at the comments in the youtube video is enough to confirm that. Do you really wish to lump yourself in with these people?

I'm assuming that you're posting this stuff to help alert others to the dangers that you perceive. My argument is that by posting stuff like the above video, all you're doing is giving affirmation to those already in agreement with you (like Rusvik). What's the point in that?
 
greenleaves said:
I'm almost 100% certain the Muslims you see in that video are not doctors, lawyers and architects. They are thugs. And thugs, regardless of nationality, ethnicity or race are violent, backward and ignorant. It is a bit insulting, since the thugs are demanding a respect that they give, but, who cares, they are thugs. Don't let them in. If you do, blame your leaders.
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You're completely mistaken. Most of the fanatical muslims are well educated, homegrown fuckheads who need to die. They're called homegrown terrorists and they're the most dangerous. But of course the peasents need to go as well, illiterate inbreeding morons (apt description actually).



This does not account for all homegrown Islamist terrorists but many of the markers identified below are common to past homegrown terrorists:

  • Male Muslims
    • While women are increasingly becoming involved with jihadi groups; to date, Western-based radicalized women have primarily acted in a support role
  • Under the age of 35
  • Local residents and citizens of Western liberal democracies
  • Varied ethnic backgrounds but often are second or third generation of their home country.
  • Middle class backgrounds; not economically destitute
  • Educated; at least high school graduates, if not university students
  • Recent converts to Islam are particularly vulnerable
  • Do not begin as radical or even devout Muslims
  • “Unremarkable” – having “ordinary” lives and jobs
  • Little, if any, criminal history[15]
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Homegrown terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
greenleaves said:
What forces WANT you to have the perspective you have? In who's interest is it?
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Well, some jews, banksters and old money nazis like this idea of creating an explosive situation in Europe so they can swoop in with their supranational organizations. Socialists like the immigrants because they vote for them.

I on the other hand, consider repratiation of muslims integral to keeping Europe prosperous.

For example, at the moment Europe is boiling with badly spelled muslim vitriol on Facebook because of the Gaza thing. I'd like to give these self professed jihadists some money for a plane ticket and to buy some guns, but they have to promise not to come back.
 
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amateursurgeon said:
Actually, as it happens, I agree with the above statement.

My point isn't to argue for or against Islam - that would be a total waste of mine and your time. We each have our own viewpoints, and nothing we post backwards or forwards is going to really change them.

It's really to request that if you're going to post on this subject, at least go to the trouble of putting something thoughtful. You're clearly an intelligent person, so why are you reposting badly edited, third-hand propaganda? It does you no favours at all. The EDL are small-minded morons, just like the BNP. A look at the comments in the youtube video is enough to confirm that. Do you really wish to lump yourself in with these people?

I'm assuming that you're posting this stuff to help alert others to the dangers that you perceive. My argument is that by posting stuff like the above video, all you're doing is giving affirmation to those already in agreement with you (like Rusvik). What's the point in that?
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What's wrong with positive affirmation of your beliefs? Sit down and have a beer while reading WF and laughing at the inferior religious fanatics together and have a grand ole' time.
 
rusvik said:
Well, some jews, banksters and old money nazis like this idea of creating an explosive situation in Europe so they can swoop in with their supranational organizations. Socialists like the immigrants because they vote for them.

I on the other hand, consider repratiation of muslims integral to keeping Europe prosperous.

For example, at the moment Europe is boiling with badly spelled muslim vitriol on Facebook because of the Gaza thing. I'd like to give these self professed jihadists some money for a plane ticket and to buy some guns, but they have to promise not to come back.
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Have no fear, Europe is waking up albeit slowly, very slowly.

Almost every European country has a nationalist party that gains more support and traction every year. They're already winning seats so it's only a matter of time before the laws start to change. Look at france when they banned burka.

France Burqa Ban Takes Effect; Two Women Detained

"The ban enjoyed wide public support when it was approved by parliament last year."

They also tried in Switzerland and it was beaten by the skin of a Muslim's neck.

Cantonal initiative : Burka ban proposal thrown out by parliament- swissinfo

"Following a March Senate vote with the same result, the house decided by 93 votes to 87 that the initiative would not go through."
 
wezcountry said:
so we don't forget.
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Here are some articles from the last 12 hours :


Glens Falls man charged with murder in child death

Baby's death last week ruled a homicide - The Buffalo News

Child's death investigated as homicide, body removed from scene | NWAonline

Hobart man gets 30 years in connection with toddler

Baby sitter charged in death of Va. Beach 2-year-old | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com

WSVN-TV - Girl, 13, fatally shot on Miami-area school bus

Visalia couple held in connection with child's death makes court appearance

Tahlequah Toddler Dies After Being Left In Car, Father Arrested - News9.com

Young Child Killed In Father’s Illegal Drag Race On NC Interstate Says NCHP | The Raleigh Telegram

Outcry Over Child Deaths

Baby's Death Ruled a Homicide | WKBW News 7: News, Sports, Weather | Buffalo, NY | Top Stories

Pastor: Boy feigned death to survive ND killings - SFGate
 
^That makes religious retardness much better, thanks bro, do you want a kebab now?
 
They really do not match with Australian culture, or any Western culture. I got into a Ferris wheel at the "Melbourne Show" recently with my girlfriend and a Muslim family were sitting opposite, their little girl freaked out because I was holding my girlfriend's hand.

The parents seemed quite nice, we exchanged polite smiles. The first generation are likely to be very happy to be here and work hard, but their children grow up with their fucked up beliefs while taking everything here for granted which is a recipe for disaster.
 
rusvik said:
^That makes religious retardness much better, thanks bro, do you want a kebab now?
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Krnuernberger said:
Yeah because things turned out so well the last time nationalist parties gained political power in Europe...
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Not a chance in hell of happening again.

I doubt the nationalist parties will ever win an election anyways, whats important is the message is spread and the governments of the world stop shoving this forced multi-culturalism bullshit down our throats like it's the second coming of christ. The dangers of multi-culturalism far outweigh the benefits, that much is now obvious.

We tired, and we failed. It's time to accept it and pack it in boys. We don't need a goddamn war like you're trying to strawman, but the time for immigration policy reform is NOW.
 
greenleaves said:
You are mixing having open minded views, with having liberal views.

Personally, I believe most people posting these types of videos are equally misguided for the same reason surgeon mentioned.

However, I'd be completely against allowing LOWER CLASS Muslims into the country where I live. Actually, strike that. I oppose letting lower class ANYONE into this country. Want to migrate? Then prove you aren't a peasant with a peasant mentality.

Lower class black (like pewep), Muslims (like the ones in the video) or whites (like Dresden) are generally ignorant and therefore afraid and easily become violent.

I'm almost 100% certain the Muslims you see in that video are not doctors, lawyers and architects. They are thugs. And thugs, regardless of nationality, ethnicity or race are violent, backward and ignorant. It is a bit insulting, since the thugs are demanding a respect that they give, but, who cares, they are thugs. Don't let them in. If you do, blame your leaders.

Does the muslim world have a lower % of 'normal people'? Of course, the gene coefficient after Africa is worst there. Is it any wonder why there would be a high amount of fanatics when there is a low grade of education?

But ask yourself this: IF you know that poor people all over are backward, and you KNOW that an educated upper class blackman is just as civilized as the upper class white man, than why can't you figure the same out with Christian vs Muslim? What forces WANT you to have the perspective you have? In who's interest is it?
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Unfortunately you are very wrong. Where do you live? I'm from the UK and there the terror plots are sometimes carried-out by dimwits, but more often than not there is a doctor or similar involved. As for the baying crowds, sure, thugs, wankers, meatheads, whatever: pack them into a plane and send them back to where they came from if they hate their adopted country so much. I am an immigrant and I absolutely behave like a guest here because if I don't like it I should bugger off back to England. So should they.
 
rusvik said:
Please, that kind of misunderstood liberalism is very dangerous. You're advocating the same kind of cultural relativism that has been the entire reason for Europe/Australias huge immigration problems. There's civil war boiling just beneath the surface but you don't see it. All it takes is one wrong move by some cop who kills a muslim thug and they will riot, not just locally but from England to France to Denmark to Sydney.

Islam is the worst ideology on the face of the earth. It's the exact anti-thesis to any kind of liberty. I really can't understand why some people feel the need to defend this kind of barbary.
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Eloquently put.
 
rusvik said:
Islam is the worst ideology on the face of the earth.
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Compared to all of the other ones you're an expert on?

rusvik said:
It's the exact anti-thesis to any kind of liberty.
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How so?

rusvik said:
I really can't understand why some people feel the need to defend this kind of barbary.
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You're engaging in a collectivist mistake.

1. You're taking the actions of individuals, and making an entire group guilty for them.

2. You're making a lot of claims about Islam, when I suspect outside of TV and internet propaganda, you have very little exposure to Islam as it is practiced by 1/4 of the world's population.

I am not a theist. I am also not a democrat. I just hate seeing people collectivize, and then claim they are better than collectivists.

Yes, religion is horrible. So is belief in the state.

Governments kill many more people than religions, and very few people have the courage or moral integrity to stand up and claim governments are the "worst ideology evaaaaaaaarrrrrrr"
 
guerilla said:
And yet no threads about Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism etc.

Were you going to make those next?
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Actually I am writing a book about why I think Christianity sucks and this is, in the main, a cathartic exercise, but also a way for me to wrestle with the issues on paper, a way to gather the evidence, to sift through it. It has been a 3 year project and it has been very difficult at times. I prefer to keep it to myself because that way the creative energy isn't dissipated.

Judaism ... see above ... I have come to think of Christianity as a Jewish sect and thus my tortured scribblings began with Yahweh and the Torah. Judaism itself leans heavily on Babylonian myth (e.g. the flood legend in the Epic of Gilgamesh is a prototype of the Noah's Ark myth) and Hinduism (see below).

Buddhism: my girlfriend has started attending a Buddhism group along with my neighbour and it's interesting to discuss this with her.

Hinduism ... not sure on that one ... it's quite a large subject and although I would like to study it I just don't have the time. I am aware of the influence of Hinduism on Old Testament myth though (e.g. Hadama and Heva).

I looked into Taoism but found it to be a bit like trying to hold water in my hand.

Islam ... another Jewish sect. I started reading the Koran but to be honest it was even harder going than the Old Testament (which I have read in whole 5 times). I read some commentaries. I carefully read a book which explains the Islamic faith to westerners. I read speeches of some of their teachers and well, what can I say but by their fruits you shall know them.

I just finished reading (again) Simon Schama's book on English history 'The Edge of the World' and see several similarities between medieval England and modern day Islamic countries, I mean, of course, with respect to religion and its relation to culture and control and mental poverty and repression.

I enjoy posting images, videos and writing things like 'Islam fucking sucks' on this forum because it does in the main suck and it's a safe form of catharsis. I do also want people to become agitated by Islamic protest. I feel it is a threat to my way of life and I reserve the right to say 'fuck off' in its direction (and yes, I have directly confronted protesting muslims). Btw, I am not addressing here the injustice felt by some of these countries about being raped by the USA, so please don't think I have a problem with the everyday Muslim - I do have a burning loathing for political Islam though and if the average muslim is not prepared to speak out against that then he is a coward and a piece of shit, imo.

I think of a country like Iran, for example, so much potential and yet utterly ruined by Islam. Speaking of the every day muslim, it's when they want to impose their beliefs on the culture I am part of (secular humanist) that I feel the desire to say 'fuck you' in my small (and probably pointless) way.

Anyway, back to work.
 
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