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Well, yup...

So you're state educated to believe our state isn't perfect but is the best?

go figure.

Well, not our state...i'm Canadian.

I'm talking about democracy as a whole.

Sure it sucks shit for a lot of things. Sure, lot's of people on the interweb complain about it.

Does anybody actually posit an alternative form of government that would actually work in North America right now with the way our society is comprised?

Nope.

Lots of people post their pie-in-the-sky ideas for a better alternative to democracy in between their fap sessions in their parents basement, but if you think there is a better form of government that would work better for society as a whole in North America other than democracy, well, it's not even worth arguing with you.

There are some tweaks that can be made to the democratic system in the US (and even Canada for that matter), but by and large, the alternative options would be much worse.

I know i'll get flamed for this and I couldn't really care less. Arguing thinks like this is just futile because it deals with too many "what if's" and doesn't deal with reality.

Remember, communism seemed like a good idea on paper and we know how that ended, right.
 


It was easy for them not to vote for it when it would pass without their vote and they could score points with mongoloids like you who think that there is anything heroic about being a politician in America.
Does anarchy also mean that you're free from the restraints of reading comprehension?
 
Does anybody actually posit an alternative form of government that would actually work in North America right now with the way our society is comprised?
There are tons of books on this subject that all point to a voluntary society that is fully functional.

The problem is that our states are programming everyone to believe that they can't work, and implant images in everything from textbooks to movies that equate anarchy to violent chaos.

The problem is indoctrination, not lack of ability.

Stop the indoctrination and we can give you a resounding YES to your question.



...if you think there is a better form of government that would work better for society as a whole in North America other than democracy, well, it's not even worth arguing with you.

This is so you bro...

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There are some tweaks that can be made to the democratic system in the US (and even Canada for that matter), but by and large, the alternative options would be much worse.
Sure, they could cut out your heart on a sacrificial pedestal like in the old days, amirite?


Remember, communism seemed like a good idea on paper and we know how that ended, right.
Yep. Fully-controlled statism is a bad, bad Idea. Anarchy is the exact opposite end of that spectrum, which you have been conditioned to fear... But imagine for a second that you weren't conditioned to fear it... Wouldn't the opposite of such a horrible thing be worth exploring?
 
Does anybody actually posit an alternative form of government that would actually work in North America right now with the way our society is comprised?

Nope.

All forms of government eventually evolve into tyranny. Recommending one over another is asinine.
 
There are tons of books on this subject that all point to a voluntary society that is fully functional.

The problem is that our states are programming everyone to believe that they can't work, and implant images in everything from textbooks to movies that equate anarchy to violent chaos.

The problem is indoctrination, not lack of ability.

Stop the indoctrination and we can give you a resounding YES to your question.

Sure, there are tons of books that can describe a society like that. There are tons of books that describe fascist societies, communist societies, etc that are fully functional as well. But, they are just books. I can go get a Ph.D in political science and write a book in which our society is ruled by a governing council of carrots, celery, and cabbage that would be fully functional too.

If you apply a little logical thought to my vegetable ruled territory, you would see that in reality, it wouldn't work and it is utter bullshit. A voluntary society is much the same way.

Likewise, a fully functional society doesn't mean it will be more effective at governing than a democracy.

It's a matter of perspective. Are states indoctrinating people to believe that anarchy equals violent chaos? Maybe, maybe not.

How many examples of anarchy in modern times have been successful? Hell, even in ancient times when we weren't as enlightened, anarchy was still bullshit.

The problem is not indoctrination. The problem is a resounding amount of the population would never even entertain the thought of anarchism - violent or not.

It's funny to me that a large portion of the people who are promoting these alternative forms of government (I'm not saying you in particular because I don't know you) would get fucked up the ass so fast and left for dead if we lived in an anarchist society.

Am I implying that an anarchistic society would lead to violence? Is this due to my indoctrination?

Or...

Is it a realistic and logical assessment?

Are you the type to say, "Well, There may be no real evidence that an anarchist society would be violent because there really hasn't been a true anarchist society in modern times. Therefore, let's give it a shot and see how it goes?"


Yep. Fully-controlled statism is a bad, bad Idea. Anarchy is the exact opposite end of that spectrum, which you have been conditioned to fear... But imagine for a second that you weren't conditioned to fear it... Wouldn't the opposite of such a horrible thing be worth exploring?

Well, no, I have not been conditioned to fear it. I have done quite a bit of research on alternative forms of government, and unlike a lot of people who promote anarchism, I view it in a comparative perspective. If I had a choice of a theoretically perfect anarchist society vs the democracy we live in right now, I would choose the democracy every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Extreme anything is usually bad. Anarchism is at the extreme end of the spectrum.

If there's one thing I have learned through all my studies, especially in the area of post-war European politics, is that people like to talk big until shit hits the fan.

See, it's easy to stand back and say, "Yea, democracy sucks. We should embrace Anarchism because of point #1, point #2, etc" But it's just futile because if you are living anywhere close to the reality of the remaining (i.e majority) of the population, you will know full well that this isn't a possibility, especially in our lifetime.

It's a lot harder examine our democratic system as it is and say, "Ok. There are parts of our democracy that are broken. Here are some potential changes that are in the realm of possibility that we can change"

When you argue about theoretical forms of government, you can always loop around and just keep on arguing details and other "ideas". But, it's futile.
 
All forms of government eventually evolve into tyranny. Recommending one over another is asinine.

Why is is asnine?

All forms of government eventually evolve into tyranny? That's debatable.

So is the definition of tyranny, oppression, etc.

(following not directed at you specifically, JarredLV)

A lot of people on this forum seem to think that they are living a horrible, tyrannical, oppressive country called the United States of America.

Go read some history books and find out what tyrannical, oppressive rule really looks like.

But shit, the government probably rewrote those books to make the past seem worse than it was and is indoctrinating you with their propaganda.

Maybe most of you folks are just fucked in the head and have too much time on your hands.

"Hey, lets go on the internet and complain about the government. Anybody who doesn't see things the way I do just isn't as smart as me. Hell, I read like 50 articles on the internet about government, so I know everything there is too know. Nobody takes my opinion seriously because they are just puppets for the state. Formal education? Reading books from respected scholars? Fuck that shit. I'm on Wickedfire, Wikipedia and Reddit - I am a respected scholar. Duurrrr"
 
Why is is asnine?

All forms of government eventually evolve into tyranny? That's debatable.

So is the definition of tyranny, oppression, etc.

(following not directed at you specifically, JarredLV)

A lot of people on this forum seem to think that they are living a horrible, tyrannical, oppressive country called the United States of America.

Go read some history books and find out what tyrannical, oppressive rule really looks like.

But shit, the government probably rewrote those books to make the past seem worse than it was and is indoctrinating you with their propaganda.

Maybe most of you folks are just fucked in the head and have too much time on your hands.

"Hey, lets go on the internet and complain about the government. Anybody who doesn't see things the way I do just isn't as smart as me. Hell, I read like 50 articles on the internet about government, so I know everything there is too know. Nobody takes my opinion seriously because they are just puppets for the state. Formal education? Reading books from respected scholars? Fuck that shit. I'm on Wickedfire, Wikipedia and Reddit - I am a respected scholar. Duurrrr"

I tend to get upset when people point guns at me and my family to force us to do things that we'd rather not.

Sure it could be worse. I'd prefer to keep it from escalating (which I'm sure with your degree you know that's what Government's do). And just because it could be worse doesn't mean it couldn't be a fuckton better.

Ever watched the state murder innocent women and children in cold blood first-hand? It's easier to swallow when you don't see it in person. Innocent dead people aren't concerned with how much worse it could be for them, because they're dead. And that's what Government's do.

Don't fucking lecture me on what I may or may not know about Governments - because you have no fucking idea. And in my mind everytime you put them up on a pedestal you may as well be filling a mass grave with the bodies of innocent people. You wouldn't be able to live with yourself if you had to do the dirty work. But you have no problem with hiring thugs to kidnap and murder by proxy - the fact that you're supporting these actions makes you just as complicent as the thugs that pull the trigger.

How about this idea... I won't point a gun at you and tell you what to do, I won't hurt you or your family, I won't steal from you, and you give me the same respect? Is that really too fucking complicated to understand?
 
I tend to get upset when people point guns at me and my family to force us to do things that we'd rather not.

Yea, i'd like to live in a world where I wouldn't have to do anything I don't want to as well.

But you know what, we live on planet earth. All 7 billion of us. We will never be able to do whatever we want, as long as we are not harming each other. You know why?

Because we are all unique individuals with different ideas of the ways things should be, what is right/wrong, and what "harm" actually is.

You are a human on planet earth, things aren't perfect. Suck it up.

Sure it could be worse. I'd prefer to keep it from escalating (which I'm sure with your degree you know that's what Government's do). And just because it could be worse doesn't mean it couldn't be a fuckton better.

Agree

Ever watched the state murder innocent women and children in cold blood first-hand? It's easier to swallow when you don't see it in person. Innocent dead people aren't concerned with how much worse it could be for them, because they're dead. And that's what Government's do.

Don't fucking lecture me on what I may or may not know about Governments - because you have no fucking idea. And in my mind everytime you put them up on a pedestal you may as well be filling a mass grave with the bodies of innocent people. You wouldn't be able to live with yourself if you had to do the dirty work. But you have no problem with hiring thugs to kidnap and murder by proxy - the fact that you're supporting these actions makes you just as complicent as the thugs that pull the trigger.

It seems as though you may have first hand experience with a tyrannical government? It appears you are allowing emotion to cloud your judgement.

I'm not lecturing you. If you think all governments are bad and all they do is harm, then you don't really understand government at all and I do question what you may or may not know about them. Sure, they do bad, horrible things. But, they also do many great things as well. They are not perfect - nothing is perfect.


How about this idea... I won't point a gun at you and tell you what to do, I won't hurt you or your family, I won't steal from you, and you give me the same respect? Is that really too fucking complicated to understand?

No, it is not too complicated to understand. You just don't seem to understand a little concept called "reality".

Do you really think if we just abolished all forms of government, and everyone made a pact that they wouldn't point guns at each other, hurt each others families, tell each other what to do, steal from each other, etc...basically "live and let live" That it would work out?

It seems all fine and dandy until you realize that we are, in fact, humans.

With all due respect, that's laughable and if you can't see that...
 
If you think all governments are bad and all they do is harm, then you don't really understand government at all and I do question what you may or may not know about them.
If governments aren't bad, then they shouldn't use any force against people doing peaceful, voluntary activities.

Agree or disagree?
 
If governments aren't bad, then they shouldn't use any force against people doing peaceful, voluntary activities.

Agree or disagree?

Yea, because you are 100% not setting a trap here.

Define "peaceful". Define "force". What exactly are these peaceful people doing? What type of government?

You can't just make a general statement like that and then determine if government is good/bad.

That's half the problem.

What are you getting at here?

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he doesnt need to set a trap because you all are trapped. you want to argue fundamentals slinging worn out examples. winning arguments doesnt work that way. youre bringing prayers to a gun fight. its boring. im not entertained. you dont even get into specifics. its the same old "oh youre using force on me its so mean mean mean mean mean mean mean mean mean mean mean mean mean mean.." this form of generalized example is lazy²
 
you want to argue fundamentals slinging worn out examples. winning arguments doesnt work that way.

There is no "winning" in arguments/discussions like this. Its people sharing their differing opinions, while others pick it apart and share their opinions, etc. It's how people acquire knowledge, broaden their horizons, share knowledge, question their own beliefs, etc

its boring. im not entertained.

Then fucking leave...
 
Yea, because you are 100% not setting a trap here.
What trap? I asked a straightforward question within the context of your last response.

Define "peaceful". Define "force". What exactly are these peaceful people doing? What type of government?

You can't just make a general statement like that and then determine if government is good/bad.
How can you use terms like "good" or "bad" when you don't know what peace or force is?

So, can you answer my question, or are we going to pretend you don't have access to an online dictionary?
 
Ok, then.

If governments aren't bad, then they shouldn't use any force against people doing peaceful, voluntary activities.

Agree or disagree?

Disagree.

If a government uses force against people doing peaceful, voluntary activities, that does not make government bad. If it was unjustified, they may have committed a bad action, but that does not make "government" bad.
 
If a government uses force against people doing peaceful, voluntary activities, that does not make government bad. If it was unjustified, they may have committed a bad action, but that does not make "government" bad.
So if governments doing bad things don't make governments bad, can they ever be bad? And if so, how?
 
There is no "winning" in arguments/discussions like this.

There most certainly is. I used to be a staunch republican. Thought invading Iraq was justified, voted for people to do bad things to other people on my behalf, the whole nine. But through conversations and debates, the error of my ways and logic was shown to me by persons much more patient than I.
 
There most certainly is. I used to be a staunch republican. Thought invading Iraq was justified, voted for people to do bad things to other people on my behalf, the whole nine. But through conversations and debates, the error of my ways and logic was shown to me by persons much more patient than I.

That's cool, but it doesn't mean the argument was "won". Your opinion was changed...that's different than winning an argument.