Need Legal Help - Revenge Site

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jhoffy22 said:
We are past the point of him taking the site down.
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Looking forward to the behind the scenes scoop. Post soon.

"By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes."
 
GingerSnaps said:
Other sites like this just post the pictures and the names. Drew takes it much further then them.
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Looks like a lot of these "revenge/gossip/exposed" sites are now doing a lot more than just posting pictures and information, they are bringing public data aggregation/social networking/geo-tagging into the mix:

Hunter Moore’s ‘Scary as Shit’ Revenge Porn Site Will Map Submitted Photos to People’s Addresses | Betabeat

Hunter Moore's New Revenge Porn Site Is Even More Repulsive Than His Old One - Yahoo! News

Comments from the Betabeat article from the Law Professor are interesting, saying these types of "new generation" revenge websites could be faciliating and thus "engaging in cyberstalking under federal criminal law. Section 230 explicitly does not immunize federal criminal law violations.”

Also Yahoo comments lol
 
dantex said:
You can't really teach a sociopath true empathy. They can fake it, but actually connecting to a human is beyond their capabilities. Pills can't overcome a genetic lack of something.

The ideas you have are noble but I don't think can be done.

Let's run with your idea: suppose he's located in sunny Florida without his family. He's in therapy, attending a university. His current parents and friends are not there influence him. Then what?

He's still the same person. He still "wants" the same things. People do not change based on their circumstances. In the short term they get a boost of novelty. In the long run, external circumstances do not change you - unless the individual wants it to, in which case they would have changed regardless of where ever they end up.

I really see what you're saying, and you are rightfully worried that someone could be hurt over it. But what about his victims?
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IMHO these questions are fruitless. There is no way to know the internal makeup and future responses of individual people, even people you think you know. It can go both ways and it's never black and white. It's like guessing what Google's search algorithms will be like in response to indeterminate future conditions.

In any case stopping a cruel person for the sake of doing so and exacting retribution for people hurt are related but separate motivations. I think WF is doing both, trying to immediately stop this person's willingness to destroy others' lives and also serving karma to teach a hard lesson. The latter comes with the territory as marketers I suppose.

I still can't help but feel that things like this can pigeonhole a person onto a narrow path in life that does not afford future opportunities for redemption later down the road. But I guess that's the thing about opportunity, gotta answer fast when it knocks.
 
GingerSnaps said:
Other sites like this just post the pictures and the names. Drew takes it much further then them.

Another thing I noticed is that he steals the photos but he seems to be somewhat specific when stealing them. If he can't find a way to identify them with Facebook, Twitter or Linkedin, he isn't likely to post it. His goal isn't to simply run a revenge type site. He wants to absolutely humiliate them.

When it comes to posting pictures of guys, he likes to find guys with small penises the most and then he makes fun of them in the post.

I noticed that he is 5'6", 125 pounds himself and his girlfriend doesn't what to have sex with him. He is a tiny man(physically but also mentally) and he is probably expressing his own sexual insecurities.





A sane person would've shut this down after some exposing we did. Kani came back, apologized and even donated to charity. After that when a few people tried making fun of him, a bunch of members defended him and for good reason.

Drew has no idea of reputation management. His life is basically ruined. If he did his research, he should know that there is no real upside to this. Hunter Moore was stabbed, facing lawsuits and his victims want to genuinely kill him. One of them might go over the edge and actually do it.

It just amazes me that he continues when there really isn't anyway to make good money with this. He even tries to monetize this now. Really? If you shut this down and put your time into something else, you would be making good money.

You currently rank #4 for ERapist and that moniker will stay for a long time. Lets say you meet an amazing girl in the future. She would be all giddy, adds you on facebook(if you make a new one and cleaned it up) and then what happens if she Google you? She breaks the relationship when she finds out you're called an ERapist and the things you've done. This will hurt very very hard in every aspect of your life. What's the upside? Nothing. This literally makes no sense!
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5' 6" is considered tiny? I do not want to live on this planet anymore since I'm tiny. What is 5' 2"? Microscopic?
 
Elvis said:

"Perhaps deep down inside he meant to title this thread "Need Mental Help - Revenge Site?"
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Clearly this boy never had a man around to show him how to treat a lady. Send him into the woods with me for a week and I'll set him straight.
 
GingerSnaps said:
Other sites like this just post the pictures and the names. Drew takes it much further then them.

Another thing I noticed is that he steals the photos but he seems to be somewhat specific when stealing them. If he can't find a way to identify them with Facebook, Twitter or Linkedin, he isn't likely to post it. His goal isn't to simply run a revenge type site. He wants to absolutely humiliate them.

When it comes to posting pictures of guys, he likes to find guys with small penises the most and then he makes fun of them in the post.

I noticed that he is 5'6", 125 pounds himself and his girlfriend doesn't what to have sex with him. He is a tiny man(physically but also mentally) and he is probably expressing his own sexual insecurities.





A sane person would've shut this down after some exposing we did. Kani came back, apologized and even donated to charity. After that when a few people tried making fun of him, a bunch of members defended him and for good reason.

Drew has no idea of reputation management. His life is basically ruined. If he did his research, he should know that there is no real upside to this. Hunter Moore was stabbed, facing lawsuits and his victims want to genuinely kill him. One of them might go over the edge and actually do it.

It just amazes me that he continues when there really isn't anyway to make good money with this. He even tries to monetize this now. Really? If you shut this down and put your time into something else, you would be making good money.

You currently rank #4 for ERapist and that moniker will stay for a long time. Lets say you meet an amazing girl in the future. She would be all giddy, adds you on facebook(if you make a new one and cleaned it up) and then what happens if she Google you? She breaks the relationship when she finds out you're called an ERapist and the things you've done. This will hurt very very hard in every aspect of your life. What's the upside? Nothing. This literally makes no sense!
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Fuck you for implying his "size" has anything to do with things, you insecure faggot. Negged.
 
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Spooled said:
if someone killed themselves over my website,
the fame would be through the roof, and we all know fame = audience, audience = traffic, traffic = $$
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Drew-

I just got back from attending a funeral service for a young woman who took her own life. I did not know her personally, but I have a business relationship with her father, and felt that it was right that I attend.

He told me that his daughter suffered from schizophrenia, and had been fighting mental illness for the better part of 10 years, before it became too much for her to bear.

I've been to a lot of funerals over the years. I've been to funerals for old people and I've been to funerals for young people. I've been to funerals for people who died suddenly, and I've been to funerals for people who lost long battles with disease. It's just a part of life, and the older you get, the more of it you see, and everyone knows this is just a fact, but I've never been to a funeral like the one I was at today.

The church was packed to capacity, every pew was full, and there were folding chairs in the side aisles, but that still wasn't enough, and people in the back were standing. There must have been 500 people in this little church, taking time out of their own lives to pay their respects to the grieving family.

I looked around the church, at the people with red eyes, women crying, men trying hard not to, and it occurred to me exactly how different a funeral for a suicide actually is. Even though the person we were there to memorialize had struggled for years with an incurable affliction, and even though many people in her life did everything they could to try and help her, there was still a sense of responsibility in the room. Every person that knew this girl felt to one degree or another that they could have helped her, that they should have tried harder to make her life bearable or at least liveable, and there was a heavy shroud of guilt hanging in the air.

I saw her father crying openly as he stood and received the condolences of hundreds of people, and it mad me sad to see the pain in her mother's face as she was taken into countless embraces by people who wanted her to know that they cared about her, and that her daughter's life was important to them. It was beyond memorable, and I think it will stay with me for a very long time, because the tremendous outpouring of support, and grief, and love was truly overwhelming, even (especially?) for someone as jaded as myself.

In the midst of all of this, I thought about you, Drew. I thought about what you said about how if someone killed themselves as a result of your work it would bring you fame, and that fame would bring you money, and I almost felt bad for you for a minute.

I almost felt bad for you, because you don't seem to understand that there are more important things in this world than fame, traffic and money. The fact that you would seek to engineer the type of misery I just witnessed in order to improve your own life makes me think that you probably don't have much of a life, because if you did, you'd be more respectful of the lives that others have built for themselves.

I can understand a young person such as yourself not grasping the fundamental concept that life itself is the sum total of someone's possessions, because young people rarely do. I can even understand your ability to subjugate other people's happiness to your own, because we all do that to one degree or another, every day of our lives.



What I can't understand is why your goddamn website is still online after everything that has happened already.



Somehow, you must still believe that you are going to come out of this on top and smiling, and that you will be allowed to attempt to profit directly from the pain suffering you seek to cause.





You will not.






You may think that all of this attention is somehow going to help you attain your goals, and that in the end, it will improve your life in some measurable way.






It will not.






People will say what they want to about how this project needs to have a goal, and how we should be trying to motivate you to take some kind of positive action from you instead of tearing down everything in your life. I don't know for sure if you are stupid, or just young and foolish, or if you are a genuine sociopath, and I don't care at this point.




I'm writing you this note to let you know that nothing you say or do from this point forward will mitigate your situation in any way, shape, or form. No acts of contrition, or apologies will be accepted, and nothing will change what is to come.



If you had any plans to try and make this right, scrap them. They are useless now.



All you can do at this point is pray for this to end quickly, and I'm posting this to assure you that that's not going to happen.



ITE
 
IceToEskimos said:


Drew-

I just got back from attending a funeral service for a young woman who took her own life. I did not know her personally, but I have a business relationship with her father, and felt that it was right that I attend.

He told me that his daughter suffered from schizophrenia, and had been fighting mental illness for the better part of 10 years, before it became too much for her to bear.

I've been to a lot of funerals over the years. I've been to funerals for old people and I've been to funerals for young people. I've been to funerals for people who died suddenly, and I've been to funerals for people who lost long battles with disease. It's just a part of life, and the older you get, the more of it you see, and everyone knows this is just a fact, but I've never been to a funeral like the one I was at today.

The church was packed to capacity, every pew was full, and there were folding chairs in the side aisles, but that still wasn't enough, and people in the back were standing. There must have been 500 people in this little church, taking time out of their own lives to pay their respects to the grieving family.

I looked around the church, at the people with red eyes, women crying, men trying hard not to, and it occurred to me exactly how different a funeral for a suicide actually is. Even though the person we were there to memorialize had struggled for years with an incurable affliction, and even though many people in her life did everything they could to try and help her, there was still a sense of responsibility in the room. Every person that knew this girl felt to one degree or another that they could have helped her, that they should have tried harder to make her life bearable or at least liveable, and there was a heavy shroud of guilt hanging in the air.

I saw her father crying openly as he stood and received the condolences of hundreds of people, and it mad me sad to see the pain in her mother's face as she was taken into countless embraces by people who wanted her to know that they cared about her, and that her daughter's life was important to them. It was beyond memorable, and I think it will stay with me for a very long time, because the tremendous outpouring of support, and grief, and love was truly overwhelming, even (especially?) for someone as jaded as myself.

In the midst of all of this, I thought about you, Drew. I thought about what you said about how if someone killed themselves as a result of your work it would bring you fame, and that fame would bring you money, and I almost felt bad for you for a minute.

I almost felt bad for you, because you don't seem to understand that there are more important things in this world than fame, traffic and money. The fact that you would seek to engineer the type of misery I just witnessed in order to improve your own life makes me think that you probably don't have much of a life, because if you did, you'd be more respectful of the lives that others have built for themselves.

I can understand a young person such as yourself not grasping the fundamental concept that life itself is the sum total of someone's possessions, because young people rarely do. I can even understand your ability to subjugate other people's happiness to your own, because we all do that to one degree or another, every day of our lives.



What I can't understand is why your goddamn website is still online after everything that has happened already.



Somehow, you must still believe that you are going to come out of this on top and smiling, and that you will be allowed to attempt to profit directly from the pain suffering you seek to cause.





You will not.






You may think that all of this attention is somehow going to help you attain your goals, and that in the end, it will improve your life in some measurable way.






It will not.






People will say what they want to about how this project needs to have a goal, and how we should be trying to motivate you to take some kind of positive action from you instead of tearing down everything in your life. I don't know for sure if you are stupid, or just young and foolish, or if you are a genuine sociopath, and I don't care at this point.




I'm writing you this note to let you know that nothing you say or do from this point forward will mitigate your situation in any way, shape, or form. No acts of contrition, or apologies will be accepted, and nothing will change what is to come.



If you had any plans to try and make this right, scrap them. They are useless now.



All you can do at this point is pray for this to end quickly, and I'm posting this to assure you that that's not going to happen.



ITE
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I am just going to state this....

I have link building resources free and available to be used if anyone would like to use them.

I will wait and see if anyone needs them, and if so they know how to PM me.
 
Oh dear Drew. Ice's post really doesn't read well for you.

I have also personally been to far too many funerals than I wish to count - and can assure you the feeling that ITE was just describing - that the funeral of a young person who has taken their own life is somewhat different. I found one of my best friends hanging from a tree on new years day 2 years ago. You really don't understand the feeling of trying to reason with myself why I didn't do something more, and face his family who travelled to London.

We found out later that he was being blackmailed over something very similar to what you are doing. That person who was extorting money from my friend is most certainly no longer in that business.

The point at which he mentioned about "profiting" from a suicide is a step too far. You were warned Drew. You were given more than enough opportunity to do the right thing.

I sincerely hope you enjoy your remaining few hours as a small idiotic boy with a potential future - make the most of them, as you have a long time ahead without that prospect.

MH.
 
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