No More Income Taxes in the US?!

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A friend of mine showed me this movie, and at first, because of the title I thought it was just another liberal attempt to bash Bush, Republicans and blah blah.. but maybe the guy who made this movie should consider renaming it to something a bit more attractive.

Anyhow, the video is un-fucking-real. I don't think I've ever felt so ashamed and just down right depressed and angry after seeing this. I did some research on this stuff, and still, even from asking two different tax lawyers about it, no one has ever seen the actual law.

I'm just astonished by now.. I saw this video last Thurs/Friday (I forget), and in many ways I'm a bit pissed off for seeing it, because now, I feel like I've been cheated and lied to, and that because of the way I am and the person I am, that I should not let myself be a victim.

This whole thing reminds me A LOT of the movie "V for Vendetta", especially the NWO shit at the end of it.

I dunno.. watch it yourself. It's kinda long, but you seriously NEED to see it and then come back here and tell me what you think of it, and what you yourself would consider doing?

America Freedom to Fascism Authorized version - Google Video

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3rd time it's been brought up on WF. But it's a movie worth mentioning 3X. Definitely pisses you off when you see it.
 
The government likes to spend lots and lots of money, its going to come from somewhere with or without income tax.
 
HOLY FUCK.

First off this thread needs a new name like WERE ALL FUCKED instead of focusing on not paying taxes in the USA, the real message here was not about taxes, the real message was we are loosing our freedom all over the world, first off I'd like to say that I'm a Canadian and the US Tax system technically doesn't apply to me as much as it does to the other members.

The first half of this video was all about not paying taxes but the last half of the video was what interested me the most because its something that has been talked about previously but never widely accepted and that is RFID and human implantation.

I mean seriously I'll pull out a gun and shoot any mother fucker that ever tries to stick a tracking chip into me, the problem with this is most people feel the same way and everyone knows that, so they won't even inform you that you've been implanted, they'll just do it, which will obviously spark insane outrage in the religious communities but let me get back on topic here.

The topic is more about CONTROL.

Do I believe everything in this video to be true and accurate? No not really
Do I believe everything I see on the web or on the TV? No of course not.

Do I believe that their is the POSSIBILITY that major corporations can hack elections, place RFID chips in us without our knowledge, give us genetically altered foods without our knowledge, create a new world order, and take away our true freedom? ABSOLUTELY.

Ok its quiet late at night and I just completely forgot where I was going with all of this so I'll stop typing now but I'm sure my comments here will spark a debate among us and I'm sure I'll be able to pick up my train of thought again.
 
Screw the tax problem. The Fed has to be taken down (as should every other central bank). Our money system is fucked. And that's true worldwide.
 
Why are you whining? In my country, on every cent you earn after you reach $4K they take 45%. If you earn more than $3K they take 35% and so on. VAT is 22% and now some shithole said that there should be tax on stock market money. And all the people agree. Just because they can't stand people working more than 6h and not having any coffee breaks... And yeah, they sell us expensive 1mbps adsl connections...

Fucking communists...
 
Only a significant catastrophic event could allow a change like this to occur. It will never occur on its own.
I don't care though, I plan to move to Canada within the next three years.
 
I was going to ignore this but since it seems to keep coming up, I guess I'll vent a bit.

I'm currently only 50 minutes into the video, but so far it's all the same stuff repeated over and over again. Perhaps the remainder of the film will actually have substance, but even so... my thoughts below will likely not change.

Who cares if the income tax was initially created "illegally"? The fact is that the last MANY years, the government AND the citizens have built a society under the framework of having an income tax. You take that away now and the system could potentially break down, and if it doesn't, it'll have to somehow come up with a replacement.

Yes, the video says that not a single penny from the income tax goes towards paying for services... oh no! Of course, if you actually pay attention and don't get all fantatical, you notice that they say it all goes towards paying down our debt. Hmm... now how did we get that debt? My guess is by paying for those services they just bitched about.

I don't care if the notion of an income tax isn't written in stone form in an actual law. It's existence IS being enforced and the system IS running assuming the income tax will continue to exist. If YOU decide to stop paying income taxes, you will currently be at risk for jail time whether or not YOU believe it's legal. Also, if you happen to get lucky and avoid the IRS, you're still screwing over your fellow citizens. The more people that lie and cheat the IRS, the more the people that do pay the taxes will suffer. You can go ahead and lie to yourself saying that the people that pay are suckers and deserve what they get - whatever makes you sleep better at night. The truth still is, you'll enjoy the benefits of others paying taxes while you skip out on it.

Whether or not the income tax system is the best system is not the issue. I'm sure money is getting wasted and there's likely a better way of handling it, but until somebody comes up with something better, it's what we've got and it's kept the United States a country that I absolutely love and feel is the best place in the whole damn world.
 
Squirrelinabox said:
Yes, the video says that not a single penny from the income tax goes towards paying for services... oh no! Of course, if you actually pay attention and don't get all fantatical, you notice that they say it all goes towards paying down our debt. Hmm... now how did we get that debt? My guess is by paying for those services they just bitched about.
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The problem is we assume more debt per capita than almost any other country in the world. Our defense bugdget is MULTIPLE times more than anything else we spend money on. Does US really need to have 14 permanent military bases in Iraq, a huge base in Saudi Arabia, and several more in Qatar and UAE? How does that help our citizens? We barely even get any oil from Saudi Arabia, and yet we've kept thousands of soldiers stationed there for decades. This is costing us billions a year.
Not to mention the tax % deducted from your paycheck is significantly higher in US than in other countries.

Anyone who expects the government to regulate itself is definitely ignorant of history.

Maybe the tax system shouldn't be shut down, but there's currently nothing differentiating America from past imperial nations.
 
stanley said:
The problem is we assume more debt per capita than almost any other country in the world. Our defense bugdget is MULTIPLE times more than anything else we spend money on. Does US really need to have 14 permanent military bases in Iraq, a huge base in Saudi Arabia, and several more in Qatar and UAE? How does that help our citizens? We barely even get any oil from Saudi Arabia, and yet we've kept thousands of soldiers stationed there for decades. This is costing us billions a year.
Not to mention the tax % deducted from your paycheck is significantly higher in US than in other countries.

Anyone who expects the government to regulate itself is definitely ignorant of history.

Maybe the tax system shouldn't be shut down, but there's currently nothing differentiating America from past imperial nations.
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Uh... ok.. that has nothing to do with this topic at all. Whether or not you feel the United States is over extended militarily. You obviously have strong opinions as to our use of our military, which, yes, does affect taxes. But, again, that's not what's on the table in this thread. Also, whether or not you think the US is an imperial nation and whether or not that's a bad thing is also something that has nothing to do with the issue of whether or not people should be paying their income taxes.

Also, if you look at the global taxes Tax rates around the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia you can see that the US is not grossly over taxing individuals. And like it was said previously, we have not VAT.

You are clearly anti government, or at least this government, but this issue is specifically income taxes.
 
stanley said:
1) Our defense bugdget is MULTIPLE times more than anything else we spend money on.

2) We barely even get any oil from Saudi Arabia, and yet we've kept thousands of soldiers stationed there for decades. This is costing us billions a year.


3) Not to mention the tax % deducted from your paycheck is significantly higher in US than in other countries.


4) Maybe the tax system shouldn't be shut down, but there's currently nothing differentiating America from past imperial nations.
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1) But it helps the canadians FEEL safe at night. :D

2) We get more oil from canada but see number 1 above

3) not necessarily. here's an old chart but i imagine the numbers are still close: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922307.html

4) read this: Amazon.com: The Fair Tax Book: Saying Goodbye to the Income Tax and the IRS: Books: Neal Boortz,John Linder
 
Everyone needs to search for MONEY and the HISTORY OF MONEY. It'll blow your mind if you watch a few of those long documentaries.
 
Squirrelinabox said:
Uh... ok.. that has nothing to do with this topic at all. Whether or not you feel the United States is over extended militarily. You obviously have strong opinions as to our use of our military, which, yes, does affect taxes. But, again, that's not what's on the table in this thread. Also, whether or not you think the US is an imperial nation and whether or not that's a bad thing is also something that has nothing to do with the issue of whether or not people should be paying their income taxes.

Also, if you look at the global taxes Tax rates around the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia you can see that the US is not grossly over taxing individuals. And like it was said previously, we have not VAT.

You are clearly anti government, or at least this government, but this issue is specifically income taxes.
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I'm definitely not anti-government. But I am against our foreign policies that have we've mantained for the last 100 years or so. We're killing a lot of people and spending trillions on doing so. Maybe if killing them was free I would reconsider, but it's not.
Basically I can't justify paying taxes that are then used to overthrow a government in El Salvador, because we have enough problems of our own back home.

Regarting VAT, it's state and city based. Here in NYC there's an 8% VAT, so don't say we don't have it.
 
stanley said:
I'm definitely not anti-government. But I am against our foreign policies that have we've mantained for the last 100 years or so. We're killing a lot of people and spending trillions on doing so. Maybe if killing them was free I would reconsider, but it's not.
Basically I can't justify paying taxes that are then used to overthrow a government in El Salvador, because we have enough problems of our own back home.

Regarting VAT, it's state and city based. Here in NYC there's an 8% VAT, so don't say we don't have it.
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Again, none of that relates to the linked video and/or paying income tax. As for the 8% VAT, that's a lot lower than most other counties I believe.

I did finish watching the video and it's nearly 2 hours of basically just repeating over and over again that there's no written law that we have to pay taxes. Ok, that could have taken all of 30 seconds to explain, no need to bore the hell out of us for another couple hours.
 
stanley said:
Only a significant catastrophic event could allow a change like this to occur. It will never occur on its own.
I don't care though, I plan to move to Canada within the next three years.
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Good for you! Welcome to Canada, eh!
 
Squirrelinabox said:
I did finish watching the video and it's nearly 2 hours of basically just repeating over and over again that there's no written law that we have to pay taxes. Ok, that could have taken all of 30 seconds to explain, no need to bore the hell out of us for another couple hours.
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The main idea to get from the movie is not that Americans don't have to pay taxes, but rather that our entire monetary system is screwed over in a way that ruins our most basic freedoms.

I agree, though, that it explains this rather poorly. The focus on the secondary tax thing and this "New World Order"-police-state-stuff does a disservice to a very serious issue. The fiat money system (central bank system) we have right now (not just in the US, but also in Europe) is a serious threat to any sound economy.
 
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