Spoken like a true slave. If I earned it, it's mine. Not yours or some other fucker's.
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Spoken like a true slave. If I earned it, it's mine. Not yours or some other fucker's.
Not if what you "earned" are dollars printed from a government you don't control. You're the slave until you are the one printing those dollars, cowboy.
I wish we had a healthcare system like Obamacare here in the UK.
I pay national insurance on every person I employ, I also pay national insurance on the company side for everything I pay myself.
I then pay national insurance on all my income, too, on my individual side.
The tax I pay for our healthcare is far in excess of 2.5%.
My grandmother has been paying that tax her entire life, and virtually not used the hospital. She's currently 92, when she was in hospital nurses didn't come in for often 30 mins - an hour when she pressed the "emergency help" button.
It took 2 weeks for her to be discharged into community care, (it just took a few people to go in, see her, and "evaluate" whether she was ill enough for free care or not - she's terminally ill, can hardly walk, can't dress herself or do much at all, and they deemed she was too healthy for the state care), and then she was forced to pay for the entirety of her care because they still own a house, despite paying that insurance her entire life.
So she either stays in hospital for free, with nurses who quite frankly for the most part don't care about her wellbeing, where she's costing the state far more than if she was at home having community nurses coming in a few times a day, or goes home and pays extortionate care fees for some nurse that also doesn't care to come in 4 times a day and give her pills / food.
I don't really know the point I'm trying to make, but healthcare is fucked up everywhere in the world more or less.
Either the poor don't get treated, and die young, or the people that pay a lifetime of tax get stitched up with a lower level of care than they would get in a private system.
Public healthcare effectively reduces the level of healthcare available to the middleclass, whilst giving the poor who would otherwise be dying the care they need.
I don't really know how I'd design a good healthcare system. Although it'd probably be a tiered system with a basic level of care given to everyone, then an extra tier you pay extra for. The primary difference should be that on the basic level you get treated for acute stuff, broken bones, life/death decisions, etc.. Then on the private plan you get a better level of care, options of treatments that just extend life rather than curing diseases, etc.. It doesn't make sense to give someone who hasn't paid a cent in tax their entire life $100k in chemotherapy treatment to live 3 months extra for example. Whereas someone who's very wealthy and has been paying tax their entire life should be able to opt in for that if they so choose.
Dunno, it's tough. Although I question the mentality of people that think that those who can't afford insurance should literally be left on the streets to die of things which can be cured pretty readily.
I pay national insurance on every person I employ, I also pay national insurance on the company side for everything I pay myself.
I then pay national insurance on all my income, too, on my individual side.
The tax I pay for our healthcare is far in excess of 2.5%.
My grandmother has been paying that tax her entire life, and virtually not used the hospital. She's currently 92, when she was in hospital nurses didn't come in for often 30 mins - an hour when she pressed the "emergency help" button.
It took 2 weeks for her to be discharged into community care, (it just took a few people to go in, see her, and "evaluate" whether she was ill enough for free care or not - she's terminally ill, can hardly walk, can't dress herself or do much at all, and they deemed she was too healthy for the state care), and then she was forced to pay for the entirety of her care because they still own a house, despite paying that insurance her entire life.
So she either stays in hospital for free, with nurses who quite frankly for the most part don't care about her wellbeing, where she's costing the state far more than if she was at home having community nurses coming in a few times a day, or goes home and pays extortionate care fees for some nurse that also doesn't care to come in 4 times a day and give her pills / food.
I don't really know the point I'm trying to make, but healthcare is fucked up everywhere in the world more or less.
Either the poor don't get treated, and die young, or the people that pay a lifetime of tax get stitched up with a lower level of care than they would get in a private system.
Public healthcare effectively reduces the level of healthcare available to the middleclass, whilst giving the poor who would otherwise be dying the care they need.
I don't really know how I'd design a good healthcare system. Although it'd probably be a tiered system with a basic level of care given to everyone, then an extra tier you pay extra for. The primary difference should be that on the basic level you get treated for acute stuff, broken bones, life/death decisions, etc.. Then on the private plan you get a better level of care, options of treatments that just extend life rather than curing diseases, etc.. It doesn't make sense to give someone who hasn't paid a cent in tax their entire life $100k in chemotherapy treatment to live 3 months extra for example. Whereas someone who's very wealthy and has been paying tax their entire life should be able to opt in for that if they so choose.
Dunno, it's tough. Although I question the mentality of people that think that those who can't afford insurance should literally be left on the streets to die of things which can be cured pretty readily.
The one thing I thought Bush did right was picking Roberts.
There's no hope. Both parties work together.
There's no hope. Both parties work together.
No, you won't, and that's the entire problem with Obamacare. The public option was taken out, which means the average American just gets fucked even harder, with an even larger red, white & blue pole.
If the public option was left in the bill, it would have been fine, and your healthcare costs would probably currently be lower. Socialized healthcare is a very well proven concept, which has taken root in most of the developed world. Even Thailand has socialized healthcare. And contrary to what FOX News says, it works just fine, and doesn't bring about the collapse of society.
Public option got taken out though, so now you're fucked even more than you were before. Oh, and the insurance companies got alot of new customers with the stroke of a pen.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4iTtNGjFY4]Romney-Kennedy Health Care Bill Signing - YouTube[/ame]
In high school people used to tell me "Go back to Russia" I just might take that advise.
When Nancy Pelosi said they have to pass it before they can show us whats in it. She was hiding the fact that Mandatory Rectal Examinations are next.
When Nancy Pelosi said they have to pass it before they can show us whats in it. She was hiding the fact that Mandatory Rectal Examinations are next.
What will the Ron Paul supporters do?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygwZHpTUmaI]Schiff Radio Exclusive: Rand's Romney Strategy - YouTube[/ame]
Join the Tea Party? or go home?
Yes, its ROMNEY... am i a big fan... nope... but that is what is left... welcome to us politics.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygwZHpTUmaI]Schiff Radio Exclusive: Rand's Romney Strategy - YouTube[/ame]
Join the Tea Party? or go home?
Yes, its ROMNEY... am i a big fan... nope... but that is what is left... welcome to us politics.
What do you guys think would happen if enough of us picked a state, like, say, New Hampshire, and did exactly that?
Free State Project - Liberty in Our Lifetime
They've already got about 12,000 pledged ppl there in NH of the libertarian mind through that project.
Perhaps their taxes are a little lower on some things, but so far I've seen no real difference... For instance, with a state that small, you'd expect 12k politically active people to be able to swing that state towards Ron Paul in the voting earlier this year, right?
Sadly, Paul only got 23% of the vote there. There's lots of evidence of rigged polls there and in many other states.
Moral of this story:
EVERY LAST CITIZEN IN THE USA RIGHT NOW could be a state-hating libertarian (excepting only Nazicakes, but he may be a plant) and they are still controlling us to think that we're in the minority.
Or more than likely, they've just done their homework well, and have learned how to control everyone, including their thoughts, likes, and dislikes. Apparently, all those Nazi scientists from WWII the US got / kidnapped came in handy!
