Most of the pledges haven't made the move yet.
1,039 is the number currently living in NH.ObamaCare Upheld.
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Most of the pledges haven't made the move yet.
1,039 is the number currently living in NH.Most of the pledges haven't made the move yet.
And this little endeavor started more than a few years ago. Like, early-mid 2000s I think. How long does it take folks. Shit or get off the pot.
You're so fucking deluded that it borders on retardation.
GOD FUCKING BLESS OBAMA AND THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT!
That's kind of what I'm afraid of. My doctor visits every month aren't that expensive. They're currently around $250 + medication. I don't mind paying more than that ever month for insurance, but I think it should be something sane. $400 a month or so would be okay even with a stipulation I can't have any surgeries for per-existing conditions for XX years. Instead of offering something like that I'm afraid they'll end up charging me something insane like $1k+ a month where instead I'm just paying the tax.
I always thought that this number, the smaller one, was the number of people who moved from other states specifically, while the big one, 11.8K, was the number of members IN NH, but including those already living there before joining the FSP.Most of the pledges haven't made the move yet.
The forums there have over 33k members. I don't think that 11.8k is the total worldwide membership...
I'd bet that a lot of the disillusioned Liberty supporters are going to start moving there if we don't win the Tampa nod in August.
There is more to this then just the upfront if you will money cost.
The Health system is already in stress... a lot more people will be coming into it...
Meaning quality will have to suffer... and longer waits...
Many doctors already want to get out, they act like all you do is pass this garbage and everything needed to service all these people just falls into place...
The Health system is already in stress... a lot more people will be coming into it...
Meaning quality will have to suffer... and longer waits...
Many doctors already want to get out, they act like all you do is pass this garbage and everything needed to service all these people just falls into place...
You do understand, the us is at what like 2% growth?
This is not paid for, it will add more debt + other problems.
This is a bigger problem then paying $25.00 out of pocket.
Watch the first few minutes :
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evraJp70CUs&]Stossel: Free State Project - YouTube[/ame]
A lot of forum members might be interested people that don't want to commit to anything and also xrumer profiles, lol.
Eh, okay.
1. Healthcare companies donated more money to Obama in 2008 ($21,000,000) than anyone else (McCain received ~$8,000,000)
2. Financial/Insurance companies donated more money to Obama in 2008 (~$42 Million) than any other candidate.
Obviously, they had a vested interest in Obama winning. They were very much for ObamaCare but very much against the public option, which would most likely put them out of business. Without a public option, they've essentially got the Government subsidizing them and forcing new customers to sign up at gun point.
Well, he has something similar to a public option built in. The Office of Personnel Management is required to "sponsor" two separate plans that will be government supported and exempt from certain restrictions of private companies.
Because we're subsidizing it, private companies won't be able to compete for long, and the State will have a monopoly over health insurance.
That's going to mess a lot of shit up, starting with long wait times/shitty service and eventually ending up at healthcare rationing. The State will decide who gets treatment and when. And knowing what I know about their agenda, I don't think it'll be too long before the entire healthcare industry is nationalized.
In short, shitty, State run healthcare that we're forced to pay for under threat of coercion.
But it's not about healthcare. That's how it's packaged up for public consumption.
What pisses me off is the SCOTUS just gave the Feds the right to force private products on us under the veil of taxation. That opens up possibilities I don't even want to think about, mandatory state run media, government rations, whatever. They now have a license to force us to "buy" anything they want to sell. The SC left that gate wide open.
You know who's going to police the new system? The IRS. $500 Million and ~1k new agents policing your healthcare. If you think the IRS is a pain now just wait, I don't care how solid your books are. This isn't a popular mandate. They're going to relentlessly audit for non-compliance.
This ruling destroyed more rights in one day than even the NDAA or Patriot Act. It shows there's no limit to their power, they're not afraid to use it and the Constitution no longer applies.
Healthcare is 17% of our GDP. They want that money, they want that power over the people. The more private industries they take over, the more they can justify stealing our money.
I could be wrong, who knows, but there's no arguing that forcing this down our throats at gunpoint is a MAJOR violation of our rights. We're being stripped of privacy and the freedom to choose. And I'd bet everything I own that the State will make healthcare more costly and much less effective.
This is about expanding power and control, period. The State doesn't serve you, they exploit you. They don't protect you, they control you.
It's the same reason they're spending millions to get more people signed up on food stamps, they want you completely dependent on them and under their control.
Governments are evil. Name one thing good they've done for you and I'll tell you the ulterior motive behind it. They want you complacent, nothing more.
You're entitled to your opinion.
You know in this country that you have a 30% chance of ending up in prison as a black male?
I was doing some research today and saw the DOJ admits that 12% of inmates are actually or factually INNOCENT. That's over 200k innocent men in our prisons, more than the guilty population of Europe, Italy and France combined.
And minorities are targeted. Mainly through the B.S. war on drugs that's really just a State front to incarcerate as many people as possible (big money) and eliminate competition. There's a lot of money in running guns and importing drugs.
Obama is a glorified gangster. His entire job is figuring out how to steal, extort, lie and murder people. He has a kill list. He's involved in perpetual war. He oversees the largest prison population in the world and systematically destroys the rights of his own citizens to exert greater control over them.
If that's a guy you want to look up to that's your call. I personally reject everything Obama and the State stand for - and I'll write long ass posts telling the world how evil and corrupt the system is every chance I get. :stonedsmilie:
If we could get away with practicing Agorism there (we could) I'd move in a heartbeat.
I'm tired of States. It's time to evolve beyond them. Even the most limited Government is immoral by its very nature.
Agorism is an interesting concept and I use to practice it. I did so for years, but now the risk / reward simply isn't there. If I'm put back into jail for any amount of time my family would basically be fucked financially and my kids would grow up without a dad. Practicing it isn't exactly something I'd advocate to most people.
The other problem about preaching Agorism to the masses is getting a lot of people in that are raised in nice areas and come from decent families. These people are really easy for the state to flip, because they're honestly afraid of prison yet put themselves at the risk of going there daily. That puts everyone else they know that practices Agroism at risk.
Yeah, I *kinda* practice it, I don't do anything like counter-economics or tax evasion (bastards can track me online). I pretty much try to just ignore the state and enjoy life. I have no plans of going to prison, fuck that noise.
But if I lived somewhere where I could pull off living on barter, paying minimal taxes and living under the least amount of authority it'd be cool. I definitely don't preach/condone trying to overthrow the state. I just try to disregard the state as much as possible.
I just I should have made it clear. I never tried to over throw the government. I sold drugs and had "illegal" guns. Several people I know have been raided by the ATF / DEA for sale of guns and drugs. It's not something I'd recommend going through. I personally wasn't ever involved with the DEA / ATF I was always prosecuted at the state level.
1. Nothing is free.
2. You get what you pay for.
So you're forced to buy Government health insurance for inadequate treatment in public hospitals with no choice of insurers, healthcare providers, the entire system is "inadequate" and as a result the populations health has deteriorated on virtually every measure.
Sounds awesome! I can't wait until they do that over here.
Believe it or not people from America fly to Russia to do surgical procedures and pay cash. Sometimes its cheaper (like way cheaper) and other times its for shit doctors normally give you pills for here and dont have a solution to fix you. ( Those are private clinics not Public - Private clinics dont have to deal with freeloaders so no cost offset and people dont take you to court for spilling hot coffe on your dick after you order hot coffe )
Side note: In 1990 I had my teeth pushed in a free Russian hospital.
- Line of about 30 sitting in a dirty hallway (open pipes, green walls, shitty lighting)
- No Novocaine
- Its called Raw teeth pulling, because apparently Novocain wasnt discovered in Russia back in late 80s early 90s. (or nobody gave a shit)
- I shit my pants from the pain. I think that's why I still remember that story so vividly.