Official 2014-2015 NFL Thread
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True, but they also don't go as far when you throw them either. And Aaron Rodgers has said he likes to over-inflate footballs, so although each QB probably has a personal preference, there's no evidence that there is an inherent advantage one way or the other.
Anyway, I just looked at the fumbles per game stats and Minnesota was the best team in the league this year, not New England. And last year New England was 24th in the league in fumbles per game.
Fascinating "study", but was it really needed when everyone already knows that roughly 11 of 12 footballs will routinely lose a noticeable amount of air pressure when exposed to an hour or two of 51 degree weather?
And Fill - please tell me that you believe the New England Patriots attempted one single field goal with an underinflated ball in the past 15 years. Just one.
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To summate: the Pats got caught cheating. And stats conclusively indicate that cheating like this has been standard operating procedure for years.
Why is this so difficult to digest? Do you really need Richard Sherman spelling it out for you?
This Warren Sharp guy is outstanding (and in his words his work has given him "a perfect lesson on the power of social media and sending a critical story “viral”."
His new work (just crunching numbers) ...
New England Patriots Fumble More Often When Playing for Other Teams
4 main points
1) Patriots players fumbled SIGNIFICANTLY more often when playing on other NFL teams than when playing for the Patriots:
2) The most utilized of the Patriots players fumbled even more frequently when paying for other NFL teams:
3) Learning ball possession skills in New England did NOT transfer to other NFL teams after players left:
4) In fact, the opposite was true – players were MORE secure carrying the football before even playing for the Patriots than they were after leaving the Patriots:
You seem to be particularly salty. What's really troubling you? Would you like to talk about it with your Wickedfire brethren?
1) Doesn't that study debunk your entire argument, then? Aren't you yourself debunking your own argument? You're accusing the Patriots of cheating, yet the study concludes the balls naturally deflate under the same or similar conditions they were in during the AFC title game. If the Patriots inflated the balls to 12.5 PSI, which is regulation and perfectly legal, how then are they cheating? Should BB tell the weather not to get cold so the balls don't deflate below 12.5 PSI?
2) You do realize kickers use a different set of footballs from quarterbacks, right? That's true throughout the league.
3) Again with this number of touches to fumbles statistic. Does this number account for: age, experience, environment, situations, role on team, etc? All but five of those guys on that list were past their prime when they left New England. For them, any numbers they accrued after New England could be attributed to age and decline in ability just as it could be the ball...
For those five who were still "in their prime:"
Laurence Maroney 1 Fumble
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 5 Fumbles
Danny Woodhead 2 Fumbles
Ben Watson 1 Fumble
Brandon Tate 11 fumbles
Three of those five fumbled LESS than when they left. Danny Woodhead and Ben Watson have BETTER touches/fumble numbers after New England. The Law Firm became a starter in Cincy after leaving the Patriots, so he got more touches over a shorter time period. And as far as I know he's no longer in the league. Brandon Tate just sucks.
So again, these statistics tell a story, but I'm not sure they tell the story you think they tell.
It should be noted, Mike Florio is now doubting whether this is a case of the Patriots cheating or a case of an old rival trying to get revenge. A source even said one of the footballs was about two pounds under pressure, but the others may have been closer to one pound, which is normal given the "study" you so easily dismissed already addressed that.
The Patriots could very well have cheated, but right now the evidence is mounting against that theory. We'll see what happens when this "investigation" is over. It's kind of interesting the league hasn't even talked to Tom Brady yet. Isn't the integrity of the sport important to the NFL? Seems strange they wouldn't talk to the guy most involved with the footballs for the offense...
But keep believing the Patriots cheat, because that's obviously what helps you feel better about your team sucking.
Have I not been clear enough about what's troubling me here? And I already am talking about it with my Wickedfire brethren.
In 100 years of high school, college, and pro football there is no recorded phenomenon of balls generally deflating in an hour or two after being properly inflated.
A ball, maybe, because a ball may be defective. But a whole slew of balls suddenly deflating is not a thing. Ever.
Who funded that study anyway, the Tom Brady Foundation?
Did not know that.
I bring you light. I bring you truth.
You can challenge Warren Sharp's work with Warren Sharp.
Just remember that what we have is the Patriots, after achieving a statistical impossibility (the plays per lost fumble average over 5 seasons), are trying to explain it away with a scientific impossibility.
To paraphrase Bill Nye: "Hey Belichick, I won't tell you how to draw up x's and o's, so don't tell me about physics ... deal?"
Finally, to summate:
Pats got caught systemically cheating bro. It's the Patriot Way.
In 100 years of high school, college, and pro football there is no recorded phenomenon of balls generally deflating in an hour or two after being properly inflated.
A ball, maybe, because a ball may be defective. But a whole slew of balls suddenly deflating is not a thing. Ever.
Who funded that study anyway, the Tom Brady Foundation?
Did not know that.
I bring you light. I bring you truth.
You can challenge Warren Sharp's work with Warren Sharp.
Just remember that what we have is the Patriots, after achieving a statistical impossibility (the plays per lost fumble average over 5 seasons), are trying to explain it away with a scientific impossibility.
To paraphrase Bill Nye: "Hey Belichick, I won't tell you how to draw up x's and o's, so don't tell me about physics ... deal?"
Finally, to summate:
Pats got caught systemically cheating bro. It's the Patriot Way.
You have to be a Jets fan, right? HAVE TO BE. Only a Jets fan gets this salty about the Patriots.
Anyway, I gave you my rebuttals. You can choose to ignore it if you want, but we'll see when the investigation is over what really happened. Again, it must really suck to root for a bad team if all you can talk about is another team.
/doesn't care if Patriots cheat or not
/is going to enjoy watching SEA D line pound Brady ass like Giselle with strapon
Last time these two teams met, Brady was actively targeting Sherman deep. I hope that is the case again.
/is going to enjoy watching SEA D line pound Brady ass like Giselle with strapon
Last time these two teams met, Brady was actively targeting Sherman deep. I hope that is the case again.
I just talk troof.
Prior to this abomination I considered Belichick/Brady's regular season record since 2000 (not a one season with under 10 wins) the most impressive record in team sports today, maybe ever - and this record streak would be easily unbreakable in our lifetimes.
The revelation of systemic cheating like this shits all over it, exactly the way steroids revelations did with Lance Armstrong.
And I should mention Bonds with the hat size growing 2 sizes in his 30s, this was widely known in baseball circles before Canseco ever started spilling the beans about steroids ... Bonds should have been thrown out of the league on the spot, oh the drama that would have been - but in the long run would it not have been for the best? Patriot fans today are exactly like Giants fans back then, so blinded they refuse to see the obvious.
I'm sorry, but the Pats do not get to enjoy being the bearer of statistical anomalies AND receiving the benefit of a doubt (there is no doubt) when getting caught cheating red handed.
Pushing the rules is cool and all ("spygate" was a laugh to me), but they should walk the fucking plank getting caught like this. It may sound crazy, and I wouldn't even say they're one of the 3 best teams in the AFC, but in the long run football would have been better served awarding the Colts the SB appearance.
Sherman has great points about the Kraft/Goodell connections, too.
After attending Lafayette Elementary and Alice Deal Junior High in the city, he was accepted to the private Sidwell Friends School on a partial scholarship and graduated in 1973. He studied mechanical engineering at Cornell University (where he took an astronomy class taught by Carl Sagan)[10] and graduated with a bachelor of science degree in mechanical engineering in 1977.
From: Bill Nye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What's next, are you going to paraphrase Dr. Oz when asking about cancer therapies?
When asking someone with, you know, an actual background in physics instead of someone who just plays a knowitall on TV, they had this to say:
Sports physicist says temperature could have caused football deflation | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports
John Eric Goff, PhD
Professor of Physics
Chair of the Physics Department
Degrees and Certifications
PhD in Physics, Indiana University, 1999
Thesis: Theory of Photon-Drag Effect in Simple Metals
MS in Physics, Indiana University, 1993
B.S. in Physics and Mathematics, Vanderbilt University, 1992
Not that your butthurt Jets fan ass is listening, though. Plug your ears and keep lalala'ing
Instead of figuring out whatever the fuck you're trying to say, I'll just post this Pats ball boy on film removing Patriot game balls from officials room into another location (instead of the field). Fall guy found.
Since the scientific deflation is so fucking absurd and since Belichick and Brady have publicly pled innocence to any cheating, we will be asked to believe this is the brainchild of the ball boy?
Oh what tangled webs we weave...
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not a jets fan by any stretch.
plenty salty.
now post some more shit about what aaron rodgers did at some point or what some attention-whore reporter said in your desperate attempt to make your case.
they cheated. period.
you can whinge & moan about why that doesn't matter, why some single game stats prove them out, or what walter peyton would think if he wasn't dead, but the fact remains:
1) rules exist whether or not you agree with them.
2) they broke them intentionally.
3) they got caught.
4) this ain't the first time.
there seems to be a collective attempt to divert attention away from those 4 points. colts game score! aaron rodgers! jets fan! some espn reporter!
so lets clarify for the perpetually confused:
1) rules exist whether or not you agree with them.
2) they broke them intentionally.
3) they got caught.
4) this ain't the first time.