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People talk about how much money they make, yet can't drop a decent tip?

When I was 15, I worked in a restaurant for 2 months. It was the worst 2 months of my life. I dealt with nothing but cheap mother fuckers. I was a good tipper before that experience, and an even better tipper after that experience.

People are so willing to blow their money on drugs, alcohol, and whores, yet you can't drop 20% on a good meal with good service?

I have friends who tip like 5-10% no matter how good the service is, and I'm always the last one to walk out because I have to put more money on the table otherwise I would never be able to go back there -- granted, I don't go to dinner with them anymore.

Rule of thumb for me has always been -- if somebody does a service for you, you tip them. Obviously that's not every service, but use your discretion.
 


I really don't see the big deal with tipping. It's not a lot of money, and the bulk of the labor cost of the service people who generally work for tips is not automatically passed on to you; you get to decide if they're worth it or not and they have incentive to do a good job. You get an asshole waiter who gives shit service and demands a $20 tip, the waiters get asshole customers who treat them like shit and don't leave anything regardless of effort. It all evens out in the end.

It's not like if they got rid of tipping in the U.S. you'd be paying less for the same quality of service on average. The cost would get bundled into flat pricing and / or the quality of service would go down to hire lower cost help.

All that said, what a bunch of crying vaginas on that blog. You know what you're getting into in the service biz, accept it as part of the territory or get out.
 
PhilipShapiro said:
People talk about how much money they make, yet can't drop a decent tip?

When I was 15, I worked in a restaurant for 2 months. It was the worst 2 months of my life. I dealt with nothing but cheap mother fuckers. I was a good tipper before that experience, and an even better tipper after that experience.

People are so willing to blow their money on drugs, alcohol, and whores, yet you can't drop 20% on a good meal with good service?

I have friends who tip like 5-10% no matter how good the service is, and I'm always the last one to walk out because I have to put more money on the table otherwise I would never be able to go back there -- granted, I don't go to dinner with them anymore.

Rule of thumb for me has always been -- if somebody does a service for you, you tip them. Obviously that's not every service, but use your discretion.
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How is 10% bad? Why should you have to put down 20%?

Why should you choose between who you tip and who you don't tip?

Why is the person at the fast food restaurant not worthy of your tip, but the waiter at a sit down restaurant is? Both bring you food and the person at the fast food joint is working a hell of a lot harder than the server at the sit down restaurant. They do that for less money, because of no tips.
 
crackp0t said:
How is 10% bad? Why should you have to put down 20%?

Why should you choose between who you tip and who you don't tip?

Why is the person at the fast food restaurant not worthy of your tip, but the waiter at a sit down restaurant is? Both bring you food and the person at the fast food joint is working a hell of a lot harder than the server at the sit down restaurant. They do that for less money, because of no tips.
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As somebody else here wrote, waiters/waitresses in a restaurant are paid much less than minimum wage, and rely on tips. Restaurants tend to pay $30-$50 for a full shift, and regardless of how slow or busy the restaurant is, the waiter makes the rest in tips. It's that simple. I'm not going to argue about what constitutes a good tip or not. But I know that I'm personally embarrassed when my friends drop a 5% tip.

Additionally, I never brought up fast food employees? But either way, have you worked in both a sit down restaurant and a fast food restaurant to be able to say that? Fast food joints use a semi-assembly line process. The person who takes your order scoops up your fries and maybe makes your drink. Then they deal with the money and handing you your food on a tray. That's it. Onto the next one. A server at a restaurant takes care of whatever you need for an hour or so, brings you drinks, refills, brings out your meal, makes sure it's cooked to your liking, checks up on you, etc. all while dealing with anywhere from 5-10 other tables at the same time, and they're required to do so in a manner that's timely, effective, and doesn't piss off the customers.

At least the fast food employee makes an hourly wage (not one that I'd work for, but an hourly wage nonetheless). The restaurant waiter does not.

Lets be real..

Edit -- Nobody said you have to tip 20%. You clearly took that out of context.
 
PhilipShapiro said:
People talk about how much money they make, yet can't drop a decent tip?

When I was 15, I worked in a restaurant for 2 months. It was the worst 2 months of my life. I dealt with nothing but cheap mother fuckers. I was a good tipper before that experience, and an even better tipper after that experience.

People are so willing to blow their money on drugs, alcohol, and whores, yet you can't drop 20% on a good meal with good service?

I have friends who tip like 5-10% no matter how good the service is, and I'm always the last one to walk out because I have to put more money on the table otherwise I would never be able to go back there -- granted, I don't go to dinner with them anymore.

Rule of thumb for me has always been -- if somebody does a service for you, you tip them. Obviously that's not every service, but use your discretion.
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It's not about the money, it's about principles. If you do a shit job why should you get tipped?

If I make 100k a year I'll tip 10%
If I have 1billion in the bank should I tip 1000%?
 
crackp0t said:
How is 10% bad? Why should you have to put down 20%?

Why should you choose between who you tip and who you don't tip?

Why is the person at the fast food restaurant not worthy of your tip, but the waiter at a sit down restaurant is? Both bring you food and the person at the fast food joint is working a hell of a lot harder than the server at the sit down restaurant. They do that for less money, because of no tips.
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If the fast food guy is complaining about not getting tips, why doesn't he just quit and get a job at a sit down restaurant? There is something called free will.

I always tip based on the level of service. If it sucks, they get 0. If it's average, they get about 5-15%. If it's excellent, they get anywhere from 25-50%. Applies to all services. If the barber gives me a shitty haircut one day I tip them a dollar less than usual. If I outsource some development and they do an amazing job that exceeds my expectations, I give them an unexpected bonus.

If you get excellent service and you don't tip at all, you're just a tool. If the concept of tipping didn't exist, the supply of waiters willing to work would decrease, unless restaurants paid them more to compensate for the lost tips. That extra cost gets passed on to the cost of your food, and now you're paying the same amount as you would have if you had left a tip, but now it's mandatory regardless of the level of service.
 
PhilipShapiro said:
As somebody else here wrote, waiters/waitresses in a restaurant are paid much less than minimum wage, and rely on tips.

At least the fast food employee makes an hourly wage (not one that I'd work for, but an hourly wage nonetheless). The restaurant waiter does not.

Lets be real..
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As I already posted in here, that depends on the state. Less than half actually allow the $2.13/hr.
 
Izaya said:
It's not about the money, it's about principles. If you do a shit job why should you get tipped?

If I make 100k a year I'll tip 10%
If I have 1billion in the bank should I tip 1000%?
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Absolutely, if you receive shit service, and the waiter is rude, fuck em. But if a person is trying to make your meal pleasant, why ruin their night?

Keeping in mind, the waiter doesn't even get the whole tip you give them. They tip out to the busboys/bartenders. So if you give them a $25 tip, they probably keep $15-20 of that.
 
I fucking love thread like this where half the people say, "have you ever worked in food service? the pay sucks, they need tips to make a living" or "if you dont like tipping, eat at home".

Boo fucking hoo. If you CHOOSE to take a job making $2.50 an hour, thats your deal and none of mine. I dont see it my place to give you extra money because you CHOOSE to work a shitty job and get paid shit. I already pay enough in taxes alone to feed and take care of a lot of people that are in tough situations already.

You know, when I was 16 i took this job at Target and the only thing they gave me was cart person. I had to fucking get those carts in the rain, the snow, the 110 degree heat, when the carts were 2 miles in a ditch up the road cause some fucking bitch decided to walk it up that far and leave it there, etc.. I didn't get tipped for doing my shitty job and when I got tired of the fact I was working a shitty ass job for $5.25 an hour ( after 2 years ), I told the boss I wanted more money and when they said no, my ass promptly left and got a job at Bankone working 3rd shift in the mail room making $10.50 an hour.

Doubled my pay and got a job 30x easier to do. Didn't get tipped at the new job either, but when I found something about it I didnt like, I found another.. etc.

Plenty of people have shitty jobs and dont get tips. Plenty of people make min. wage and dont get tips and they are just as fucking poor as you.

IF YOU DONT LIKE YOUR JOB, THEN LEAVE. Im not going to pay you to bring me my food just because you choose to get paid $2.50 an hour. If people didnt work these jobs, you better believe food employers would change the way they do shit. BUT the real fact is, some of these guys are bringing home more then someone making 60k a year all on tips they dont claim on taxes.

Its no different then then the school teachers that do a poor ass job and demand to make more money every year and then when someone decided to cut back a little on their benefits ( Wisconsin ) they are all up in an uproar. Don't be fooled, the smart bartenders and waitress work where they can make a killing working on the weekend ONLY ( 3 days a week ) and bring home more then a full time school teacher and pay less in taxes, but wanna bitch when a couple people dont tip them. Nothing but pure greed most of the time. However if your working at Mels Diner on 3rd and the average cost of a meal is only $10 there and your not making shit and choose to stay there, then I dont feel for you as thats your choice and not mine to fix.
 
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I don't dick people over.

If for some reason I couldn't afford to eat AND throw a reasonable tip, then I shouldn't be going out or having food delivered in the first place.

Of course, in other countries, I follow the traditions/expectations the same as the locals. Most countries don't have the same low pay/+tips system that is so common in the states.

I was a bartender for many years, so I absolutely understand the system. It has it's faults, but screwing someone out of a tip isn't going to change it.
 
Thank god we dont have to deal with all that nonsense over here. I have worked as a bartender and got tips pretty often, but only as a bonus when people liked my drinks, the same way as I only tip if I think the personnel deserves it. I dont get why you dont just raise prices 10% across the board and make tipping voluntary.
 
crackp0t said:
How is 10% bad? Why should you have to put down 20%?
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I never liked that percentages of the bill total are expected. Does it take 3 times as much effort to carry a $25 steak to the table as it does to carry a $8 burger to the table in the same restaurant? Why does one deserve triple the tip?
 
Those of you who prefer not to tip, I get it. I don't think you are wrong for feeling the way you do. It's reasonable to assume, though, that if the restaurants stop paying shit wages, then expect to pay more for the food. It's more than likely going to come out of your pocket one way or another.

It sucks working in restaurants, but usually it's an easy job to get (harder to keep), and most nights you leave with drinking money in your pocket. Plus the hours are flexible, so perfect for people going to school.
crackp0t said:
Why is the person at the fast food restaurant not worthy of your tip, but the waiter at a sit down restaurant is? Both bring you food and the person at the fast food joint is working a hell of a lot harder than the server at the sit down restaurant. They do that for less money, because of no tips.
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You have no clue. I've worked both, and fast food was a lot easier. Seriously, punching some shit onto a screen or dropping pre-measured items into a fryer is hard? Fucking up a simple order on a regular basis is hard? Please. Having worked several levels of full service dining as a server, bartender, front-end manager in multiple restaurants, I can assure the wait staff has it WAY harder than ANY fast food employee. Any job has the people who are lazy, but they don't last long at most decent restaurants.

You're funny talking about the tip stealing. It's interesting how you justify your feeling of entitlement because you perceived your job as being harder. Seriously, it's washing dishes. How fucking hard is that? It's like saying the janitor at a car dealership has a harder job than the salesman or that anyone can do internet marketing. Having people skills is worth something.
 
If I order something for $100 I'm not tipping you $15 when it takes you the same amount of fucking effort as if I ordered something for $20
If you suck at your job don't expect a good tip, if you really suck don't expect any tip. If you're extra good at your job then santa might bring you more tips.
 
Please someone tell me why restaurants don't just pay their servers a proper wage. And less than minimum wage??? What the hell is that? What genius came up with that.

It's some weird topsy-turvy system you guys have over there.

Here in Spain the Spaniards don't tip shit so you would expect the Spanish waiters to treat the foreigners who tip them (usually 10%) a bit better? Nope, mostly awful across the board.
 
I've gotta say, the whole tipping thing is very awkward for outsiders.

I mean - you go into a hotel, and the person who shows you to your room is massively friendly to you... then you realise it's only because he wants your money. It just feels very false, and you come to resent it very quickly. The only other places where the whole tipping thing is so big are third world countries.

I'm cool with tipping waiters, because I think it's a good plan to make nice with anyone who serves you food, but everyone else? Get a better job if you don't like it. Damn straight I've never worked in the service industry, because I had the sense to find better ways to make money without slaving my ass off.
 
nickster said:
Please someone tell me why restaurants don't just pay their servers a proper wage. And less than minimum wage??? What the hell is that? What genius came up with that.

It's some weird topsy-turvy system you guys have over there.
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I think it's because if they payed a proper wage. The waiters would work slower and not try as hard to please customers ( the good waiters). It would make your food more expensive and decrease the quality of service you get.

I'd like to hear from some people in other countries which don't have tips. Whats your view on this? Is the service better at your restaurants or is it better in the U.S/Canada etc?
 
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