Ron Paul...

You know I thought the same thing watching the RP highlights from the debate the other day. He really looked like he was swimming in that suit. It doesn't help matters that he tends to hunch and lean his head forward when he's talking.

Like it or not, appearances matter, and RP just doesn't come across as all that 'presidential,' frankly. He's a smallish man with a high voice that sometimes stumbles over his words and loses his audience talking about concepts most don't have a good grasp of. It doesn't help that his positions are pretty controversial and outside the mainstream, both in terms of policy and economic theory. He's hardly what one would expect from the leader of the most powerful country in the world (for the time being...).

I actually think charisma is a fairly important quality in a leader, whether it's a CEO or the President of the USA. He is the chief representative of the country, after all - its most important spokesperson and advocate. It's important that person commands respect and projects the qualities we value. I understand Ron Paul, and many of his supporters, would prefer a far more limited, administrative-type role for the office of President, but it should be obvious that's not going to happen anytime soon. The great majority of people see the president as a leader - a proxy for their values and a representation of the image they want to project to the rest of the world. Some want a strong, stern figure, some prefer a more compassionate, communicative character. Few, if any, desire a frail, meek or unstable appearance. Sorry to say, but RP comes across that way to many.
 


You guys are finally helping me see how people like this get elected:

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He fills out his suit nice enough to get 10% of the vote at least.


To be sure, nice suits, good hair, and simple-stupid tax plans get folks excited. In order...


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No wonder people yawn, chuckle, and roll their eyes when someone who can actually speak to substantive issues shows up...

Ron Paul: Blame the Fed for the Financial Crisis - WSJ.com

And these voters are the knuckleheads who want to elect our overlords? Good grief.
 
It seems we've got the country we deserve...
This is the thing that kills me though; You and I do NOT get the country we deserve. We get stuck in the country that fat idiots deserve...

Nor are we even able to find what we deserve, short of manufacturing new land offshore somehow.
 
This is the thing that kills me though; You and I do NOT get the country we deserve. We get stuck in the country that fat idiots deserve...

Nor are we even able to find what we deserve, short of manufacturing new land offshore somehow.


Wow. What arrogance.

Why do you deserve a better country? What have you done? Who the hell are you?
 
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Wow. What arrogance.

Why do you deserve a better country? What have you done? Who the hell are you?
I'm Go Fuck Yourself, that's who the fuck I am...

I deserve a better country because I pay taxes and do not receive any form of welfare. I also create jobs.

I may not be motherfucking Theresa, but I have always given more to my state & country than I take.

Why do I deserve to be stuck with the problems created by these utterly foolish morons in Washington that I didn't vote in?
 
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Wow, the Huckabee men are fat asses. That surely would piss off the 99%

What also wouldn't go over too well would be David Huckabee getting fired from the Boy Scouts for killing a dog.

Here are some more pics of him :

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I'm Go Fuck Yourself, that's who the fuck I am...

I deserve a better country because I pay taxes and do not receive any form of welfare. I also create jobs.

I may not be motherfucking Theresa, but I have always given more to my state & country than I take.

Why do I deserve to be stuck with the problems created by these utterly foolish morons in Washington that I didn't vote in?


I see. While it is debatable that any of us have given more than we have taken I do not think this is the thread to start this debate..

I have never presumed I was anything but lucky to have been born in the USA.
 
I see. While it is debatable that any of us have given more than we have taken...
That wouldn't be a very long debate... Our lives are taxed something like 50% of our entire income every year for a middle-class income here. WTF are we getting in return but some roads in exchange for it all?

Don't dare say government because our gov is so laughable.
Don't say mail because we have to pay for that anyway...
Don't say anything related to special programs for less fortunate because I'm not one nor do I feel its' the government's place to do that.
& don't say anything related to welfare because everyone receiving that deserves this government.


I have never presumed I was anything but lucky to have been born in the USA.
Then I guess you haven't presumed to see how your government takes half your cash every year or so at gunpoint and spends it ALL in other countries for reasons you have no say over and are frankly deplorable?

Look around, man, this ain't even close to the best country to live in right now, and it's going downhill quite rapidly.
 
That wouldn't be a very long debate... Our lives are taxed something like 50% of our entire income every year for a middle-class income here. WTF are we getting in return but some roads in exchange for it all?

Don't dare say government because our gov is so laughable.
Don't say mail because we have to pay for that anyway...
Don't say anything related to special programs for less fortunate because I'm not one nor do I feel its' the government's place to do that.
& don't say anything related to welfare because everyone receiving that deserves this government.



Then I guess you haven't presumed to see how your government takes half your cash every year or so at gunpoint and spends it ALL in other countries for reasons you have no say over and are frankly deplorable?

Look around, man, this ain't even close to the best country to live in right now, and it's going downhill quite rapidly.

Not really up for the big debate tonight. Too much other stuff to do.

Maybe there are better places, but I can bet there are more places that are worse than better. Especially for someone like me that was born to a poor family. Being poor in many countries is not nearly as nice as it is to be poor here. But maybe, if I were born in the Netherlands, given my mostly Dutch ancestry, I would be happier. But I would not want to be poor in many other countries.

As for everything else - its not that bad here. A working class person can own a house on land for $700/month, get free health care if poor or low cost insurance if not, have a decent car for a couple hundred a month, and live a decent life if they want. Freedom of religion, speech, and even free internet in many towns, oh and do not forget due process. We can argue about prosecutorial abuse etc - but the fact is that is rare, not common.

What more can a poor person want?

My illegal alien friend makes $100K/yr as a backhoe operator, owns a house, a truck/trailer & new Camry. Maybe it is this easy in every country - I do not know.

To be honest - if life is better in other countries I want to check it out because life here is not bad. Where should I look?
 
Maybe there are better places, but I can bet there are more places that are worse than better. Especially for someone like me that was born to a poor family. Being poor in many countries is not nearly as nice as it is to be poor here.
I used to think like that, but then I got me some standards.

A working class person can own a house on land for $700/month, get free health care if poor or low cost insurance if not, have a decent car for a couple hundred a month, and live a decent life if they want. Freedom of religion, speech, and even free internet in many towns, oh and do not forget due process. We can argue about prosecutorial abuse etc - but the fact is that is rare, not common.

What more can a poor person want?
Why the FUCK do you keep asking what a Poor person could want? Your should at least talk about the middle class for this purpose, not just the fringe lowest group...

I was born kinda poor myself. My parents are redneck trailer trash who tried to keep up with the Joneses their whole life, buying houses & cars they couldn't afford while not buying any education whatsoever for their 3 children. Free insurance? Nope. My dental records are a disgrace...

But anyway, once I finally did ditch them & smarten up by myself, I discovered it was easy to make money and become rich. America does have that going for it; access to money for those WHO ARE SMART.

That is the only reason I'm still here, and it can't hold me here forever.

To be honest - if life is better in other countries I want to check it out because life here is not bad. Where should I look?
There have been many threads here on this topic... Many resulted on Thailand, and having been there many times myself I would concur, except of course if you can't handle the heat like my pansy ass can't.

I love the freedom there that makes American freedom look more like our prison system... But ironically, I'm thinking somewhere in northern Europe would be best for me. Socialism up there isn't really bad at all once you realize how bad American socialism is... At least theirs works enough for good healthcare to exist there! Our medical system here is a Joke... And not a funny one at that.

Anyway, all I can say to answer your question is that you'd better start travelling and finding out for yourself. Even if you spend a decade travelling without finding the best country for you to live in, you'll at least be able to see the truth about this one within the first few countries you visit.
 
How is this an issue worthy of our discussion???

Because you're an incompetent fucking idiot that doesn't realize how much self-image plays a role in presidential campaigns.

This is an issue worthy of discussion because it's an area where RP can improve his campaign short of a few botox injections.

If you cared about Ron Paul's campaign you'd care about his physical appearance.
 
If you cared about Ron Paul's campaign you'd care about his physical appearance.

I think the opposite is true. How many of his core supporters would he lose if he started engaging in this kind of superficial bullshit? I consistently see comments from people saying they support him due to how genuine he is and how he doesn't look like a typical politician. Getting away from that would cost him supporters in my opinion.
 
Ron Paul will die within his first term if he's elected. Just look at how much Obama has aged...GARY JOHNSON is a way better choice. And Ron Paul has treasury secretary.