Russian Army Invades Ukraine And Seizes Crimea

It's funny, the people I always see calling others, "sheeple" seem to be the most oblivious fools in this thread, unable to see two inches in front of them.

SevenYearItch said:
Yes France, that small corporation in Europe, are - historically - war GODS! The US's shitty little army still studies most of their tactics till this day. Rudyard Kipling has gone on record saying about the French: "Their business is war, and they do their business." France is one of the most revered military forces in the world, with the third highest military spending on the planet and an estimated 300 nuclear warheads at their disposal. They would trample all over the US (and most other nations) at just the slightest sign of aggression.

The UK a.k.a the Financial powerhouse of the world... Home to the most powerful family on the planet - the Windsors. It has the most elite and well trained military in the world. It is as(or more) technologically advanced as the USA as they jointly develop all their military technology with them. Britain also has far more diplomatic clout than any other Western country as it is a key member of the largest and most powerful economy in the world - the European Union.

The US are INFAMOUS for their cowardice in the face of these states... Including Russia and China - which has the largest Army in the world (twice the size of the US army).. Say what you will, because history proves how accurate I am in saying this. The US would do well by staying far from this conflict... or they will forcibly receive a very public spanking
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I can't tell if your comments are satirical or just fucking stupid.

AdamC said:
Nuclear weapons and the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

just sayin.
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OK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_the_United_States
 


@SevenYearItch

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Its funny how the same people that cry and bash US gov for using all their tax dollars for pimping up the army unnecessarily and spending billions on military might, are being proud and all in favor of this spending, which they previously opposed, when power and country's glory has to be proven and discussed.

They even use the same figures and charts to prove opposing points.
 
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SevenYearItch said:
Putin would dismantle the US army and prove, to the world, how plebeian the US actually are in terms of their military capability...

The US do very well invading deserted 'weakling' territories a la Afghanistan, Iraq... But they are infamous for their cowardice in the face of the real SUPERpowers i.e Russia, UK, France, China etc.

Obama is a very smart man, and will not risk having his countries skirt pulled down by Putin. I doubt the US will involve themselves in this conflict... they don't have the finesse, balls or firepower to oppose Russia... i.e the Cold War when Russia was ready to blow the US to smithereens etc
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BBC - US Secretary of State John Kerry says Russia is behaving "in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext".


lol this guy is funny
 
I think SevenYearItch is referring to Napoleon. He was a war god and all military academies still study his tactics.

Basically, after the French revolution every country in Europe invaded France to change the regime back to the King (sounds familiar?), and Napoleon held them all off and then launched a counter-offensive and took over territory from the Hapsburgs and others. His is pretty much a template about how you prevent invasion.

He had other virtues too, eg pretty much all the gold in the French Reserves was laid down by Napoleon in his 12 years of power - nobody before or after him bothered to save.

But that was 200 years ago and sadly the gold is the only thing that lasted. The French had no Napoleon in 1940 and have none now.
 
Reive said:
@SevenYearItch

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So Your country spends $700Bn on dildo shaped missiles and other war-heads and you're proud?... Yet the Banks rape and pillage the public purse - then get bailed out by this same government that you praise - causing the value of your almighty dollar to TUMBLE ...Despite this you're proud that your Government prints out $700Bn using the latest Cannon LaserJet, thus boosting national debt and further debasing the economy... who do you think ultimately pays for all of this? YOU, your mother, Great Aunt Becky etc lol... nice graphic by the way, you're very resourceful...

Meanwhile in 2013, the UK spent a mere $60Bn, France a futile 58Bn, and Russia 90Bn.... Because they aren't scared! Infact the UK has fought many proxy wars via the US.. Let's not forget who's really pulling the strings here
 
If you compare military spending you need to adjust for cost of living. The US coddles their military with xbox and all kinds of amenities, plus it has an entire industry of overpaid contractors raping the taxpayer. Russia on the other hand isn't known for comfort in the army and I doubt they pay their military much if at all, don't they have a draft in general?

How about a straight up comparison on personel, tanks etc.

My understanding is that the US is primarily dominant on their fleet and airforce, both of which can't be easily employed in Ukraine.
 
Really this is just the ending to a war that was never really settled (on Russia's part, because the Crimean War essentially was over the need for warm water ports).

Crimean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russia already has a base in Sevastopol, and operates a black sea fleet in Ukraine along the Black Sea.

Black Sea Fleet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's a parallel that will be interesting. While many events can be cited as the beginning of the decline of the British Empire, the Suez Crisis in 1956 is really the point in history where an outside force told the British that they weren't going to be utilizing their military to protect an interest of theirs (basically the US said nope.. Suez Canal is Egypt's), and the Brits backed off.

Now, is this event going to be looked back on as one of the same situations? The US has said "don't do it" and Russia is calling it's bluff.
Is the EU going to turn from a purely economic pact into a joint force agreement and stand up to Russia telling them they aren't going to start the creep eastward reclaiming their old protectorates?

It's pretty clear that the Obama Administration isn't going to prevent Russian expansion, so if the EU doesn't they'll have free reign until US election time. If they choose to be aggressive, and a WarHawk Republican leverages it to drum up cold war fears and get all the greyhairs out to vote him in, hold on to your assholes...
 
Chupin said:
Is the EU going to turn from a purely economic pact into a joint force agreement and stand up to Russia telling them they aren't going to start the creep eastward reclaiming their old protectorates?

It's pretty clear that the Obama Administration isn't going to prevent Russian expansion, so if the EU doesn't they'll have free reign until US election time. If they choose to be aggressive, and a WarHawk Republican leverages it to drum up cold war fears and get all the greyhairs out to vote him in, hold on to your assholes...
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No, the EU is going to deal with this economically.

Prior to 2006 (when Russia turned off the gas to Ukraine and hence part of the EU and caused a massive spike in gas prices), 90% of Britain's electricity was gas generated with the remainder nuclear and some coal. Now 17% is wind powered, we're building a new nuclear power plant, and we're trying to import our gas from Norway and not the east.

That scenario is being replicated across the EU.

How much money has Putin lost by Europe's electricity generation shifting towards renewables? Even a 20% shift is big money when you consider that the EU is 450 million people. And it wouldn't have happened if Putin hadn't decided to play macho man in 2006.

Here's the thing - we're not going to stop shifting to renewables, we're going to continue till we are energy self-sufficient. The political will is there, and the environmentalists like it because it reduces pollutants.

Putin's macho posturing is just a Pyrrhic victory. Within another decade he's not going to have a market, and won't be able to afford to pay for his army or occupation of Crimea or anywhere else.

The man has no brains, no strategic intelligence at all.

So to answer your question - nothing much will happen now, but long term he's stuffed. And he'll have done it to himself.
 
rusvik said:
If you compare military spending you need to adjust for cost of living. The US coddles their military with xbox and all kinds of amenities, plus it has an entire industry of overpaid contractors raping the taxpayer. Russia on the other hand isn't known for comfort in the army and I doubt they pay their military much if at all, don't they have a draft in general?

How about a straight up comparison on personel, tanks etc.

My understanding is that the US is primarily dominant on their fleet and airforce, both of which can't be easily employed in Ukraine.
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The Russian war in Afghanistan was a ground war and they got thrashed by the Afghans wielding nothing more than cheap AK-47 knock-offs.

Also remember that one of the reasons the Soviet Union collapsed was because the oil price fell to $10 a barrel and they couldn't afford to pay their soldiers or anything else.

All armies march on their stomachs and the Americans can feed their soldiers better than the Russians.

Economics underpins nations too, not armies - the ability to pay for an army is just a consequence of a strong economy.
 
Lol, again this absurd idea that Russia is like the middle east with no skills just oil.

Russia has produced the finest mathematicians, programmers, philosophers, writers, musicians, scientists, researchers etc in huge numbers. After Germany, historically Russia may be the finest country when it comes to scientific progress in all of history. Do you think that will just dissapear over night and Russia to sink into barbary?

Who made Xrumer, who made SAPE, who makes a killing in SEO?

Are you really that brainwashed or is there some other motive behind making claims like this?

Keep in mind Russia was raped of 75% of its wealth by the Rothschild oligarcs less than 20 years ago.
 
I'm not trying to sound like a dick here, but can someone explain to me in 100 words or less why I should care about the Russia/Ukraine situation (whatever the hell that situation happens to be)?
 
teatree said:
The Russian war in Afghanistan was a ground war and they got thrashed by the Afghans wielding nothing more than cheap AK-47 knock-offs.

Also remember that one of the reasons the Soviet Union collapsed was because the oil price fell to $10 a barrel and they couldn't afford to pay their soldiers or anything else.

All armies march on their stomachs and the Americans can feed their soldiers better than the Russians.

Economics underpins nations too, not armies - the ability to pay for an army is just a consequence of a strong economy.
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You're kidding me right about Afghanistan? The Sovjets were winning in Afghanistan handsomely until the US entered, created Al-Qaeda and provided them with top of the line weapons.

I wouldn't be too certain in the US economy. No one thought the USSR could fall either, but didn't the US congress not long ago actually stop paying their government employees because they couldn't agree on the debt ceiling?

The US is the one with the overstretched military now, not the Russians, which largely have a military aimed at defending its own perimeter, not project force everywhere.
 
rusvik said:
Lol, again this absurd idea that Russia is like the middle east with no skills just oil.

Russia has produced the finest mathematicians, programmers, philosophers, writers, musicians, scientists, researchers etc in huge numbers. After Germany, historically Russia may be the finest country when it comes to scientific progress in all of history. Do you think that will just dissapear over night and Russia to sink into barbary?

Who made Xrumer, who made SAPE, who makes a killing in SEO?

Are you really that brainwashed or is there some other motive behind making claims like this?

Keep in mind Russia was raped of 75% of its wealth by the Rothschild oligarcs less than 20 years ago.
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That is definitely the true measure of technical innovation afterall.
 
potentialeight said:
I'm not trying to sound like a dick here, but can someone explain to me in 100 words or less why I should care about the Russia/Ukraine situation (whatever the hell that situation happens to be)?
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Well, its really about whether you think EU and the current US is a force of freedom and prosperity or if you think they are basically trying to usher in a facist world government.

Choose your poison. At least taxes are much lower in Russia.

This is very simple, a proxy war by EU/US against Russia.
 
cassius said:
That is definitely the true measure of technical innovation afterall.
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It is something that most here can relate to and it is in fact proof that Russia has a population that is smart and quick to adapt to whatever new technology is present.
 
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