If you are serious about your online business don't go cheap with vps, go with dedicated and reliable company like webair, natnet, isprime etc...
So. Very. Pissed.
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There is nothing wrong with going with a VPS. You can't say that Cloud VPS's aren't for serious people either, can you?
Cloud seems to be a waste for most people. If I were going with rackspace, I'd get something like a 2 or 4 dedis behind a firewall and monitoring service from rackspace, cheaper than cloud, and more powerful (depending on your needs of course). Cuz even with a dedi, the rackspace support is only a phone call away (SoftLayer was the same way).
I just find that 'cloud this, cloud that' is way hyped for what it really is.
why are you guys using shared hosts?
lol wut.
how about doing some research before typing shit out of your ass?
clouds are extremely powerful hosting solutions and makes a BIG difference when it comes to uptime, fast page loads, and high volume traffic
have you ever used a cloud? how the fuck is 2-4 dedis cheaper than running on a shared cloud? I pay $100 a month for unilmited hosted cloud sites and it handles any type of volume I require (PPV, high PPC volume, whatever)
lol wut.
how about doing some research before typing shit out of your ass?
clouds are extremely powerful hosting solutions and makes a BIG difference when it comes to uptime, fast page loads, and high volume traffic
have you ever used a cloud? how the fuck is 2-4 dedis cheaper than running on a shared cloud? I pay $100 a month for unilmited hosted cloud sites and it handles any type of volume I require (PPV, high PPC volume, whatever)
2-4 dedi's for less than the cloud? are you getting the worlds shittiest dedis? P3's with 256mb of Simms? lol.
Cloud account with them costs about $140 a month and hosts unlimited domains. The price can scale if you are using past 10,000 cpu cycles a month but the scale price is pretty low.
I've never seen a decent dedi for under $100 a month (before you fuckers start showing me $23 dedis note the word DECENT ie - peering doesnt suck ass, specs are nice, bandwidth allocation is reasonable, 24 hour support and ACTUALLY a dedi and not a vps being sold as a dedi)
There are definitely multiple perceptions of "cloud" floating around this thread.
Through who?
Through who?
Just what I was about to say. I'm so sick of hearing the word "cloud". Half the time people have no clue what the hell they are talking about. Ask 10 people to define "cloud hosting" to you and you get 10 responses. The majority of hosts out there offering "cloud" plans are nothing more than openvz/xen nodes clustered with centralized storage.
When talking bout "rackspace" an actual cloud that scales to the same capacity cost more than a pair of 8-core xeons (16GB rams). And thats usually no less than 400$/month per machine. Had to price them out for textsfromlastnight.com , and to get a "Cloud" plan that could handle the same amount of traffic as the 5 dedi's they're currently using, was a shit-ton more expensive, but wasn't anymore 'powerful' on the serverside.
And as subigo said, most of the "cheap" clouds are nothing more than a few clustered VPS nodes. When you start hitting the CPU cycles needed to keep a site running 6 million hits per day, its a fuck-load more expensive to use a enterprise level cloud hosting, on top of the expensive bandwidth and just makes more sense to go dedi if you have that kind of load day to day.
So, how do you define cloud? A few VPS nodes clustered? We're not talking about HostXYZ, we're talking about Rackspace here... I'm talking about cloud, as in cloud, as in a few hundred servers if not more in one infrastructure.
^this.so basically... you don't know what you are talking about. Observe:
so basically... you don't know what you are talking about. Observe:
Since when is rackspace 'cheap' by comparison to all others?
For example TFLN, you'd have to spend 350/month on the cloud to get the equiv to just one of the dedi. BUT then for 20 terabytes per month, thats at a rate of 22 cents per GB (just outbound, its 8c in), thats an additional 4 grands per month give or take a 200$ or so. So for less than 3 grands per month, it makes far more sense to have 4 dedi (quad-core, 16GB rams), a hardware firewall, 100mbit bandwidth, and enough bandwidth allotment within the same price, than it is to spend that on a single cloud instance of half the RAM/CPU allotment.
In my previous post, and Subigo's previous post, we specifically said most cheap cloud hosts are just clustered VPS, rackspace doesn't fall under the category of cheap.
Not really sure how you say they're not 'cheap' though when it starts at $10. What about liquidweb's cloud, do you consider that cheap or..?
What's the trigger to move you from 'expensive' to 'cheap' ?
Is it on transit? Resources? Per hour charge? Monthly charge? We're all debating different points here and no one's going to win. I like to win, please define questions above ^.
Yeah, I wasn't talking about rackspace at all. I'm talking about the marketing hype of the term "cloud" and how every kid in his basement offers it now.
Ahh, ok. So you're talking about non-brand names. Kris and I were talking brand names.
Not really sure how you say they're not 'cheap' though when it starts at $10. What about liquidweb's cloud, do you consider that cheap or..?
What's the trigger to move you from 'expensive' to 'cheap' ?
Is it on transit? Resources? Per hour charge? Monthly charge? We're all debating different points here and no one's going to win. I like to win, please define questions above ^.
10$ is only to get the RAM/HDD combo, you gota pay 22c per GB on the bandwidth and 8c per GB incoming. Think about the bandwidth.
Cloud Hosting only makes sense to someone who has moderate bandwidth most of the time, but occasionally get hit with a digg-like traffic and would rather pay for when the traffic is high than to pay for that allotment of bandwidth every day even when they don't use it.
ah... see my original point earlier in this thread was for people to NOT go through cheap no-name hosting.
From earlier:
"Gee anyone want to guess why I use places like rackspace and single hop for my hosting? I guess if you are still making nickels instead of dollars budget hosting is the way to go... but otherwise WTF are you thinking? These Volsh guys are total clowns... that being said... its half your fault for being so cheap when it comes to your bread and fucking butter. If you built houses would you use the worlds cheapest hammer? If you were a chef... would you buy cheap knives? You work on the fucking internet. Buy decent hosting. Duh."
Well yeah, but I wasn't referencing transit at all. That's why I said clarify. Resource wise (which is all that I care about) it's -most of the time- the best bang for the buck. Completely different argument.
Besides, I don't pay what you all do for transit.
Well yeah, but I wasn't referencing transit at all. That's why I said clarify. Resource wise (which is all that I care about) it's -most of the time- the best bang for the buck. Completely different argument.
Besides, I don't pay what you all do for transit.
Clearly a misunderstanding then.