The failure behind the failure

Ar Scion

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A lot of us are probably a little bummed about the result.

But this reflects poorly on conservatives and people who hold to fiscally conservative positions.

How is it that a group with so much economic and political capital cannot transform it into social and cultural capital?

Because it's clear that social and cultural capital wins elections. Obama's re-election campaign was terrible. He got his ass handed to him in the debates. He has a terrible track record to run on. He failed to inspire people. His goals are explicitly different from the jobs/economy prism we're supposedly viewing everything through.

And he still won.

I'm disappointed in the election results. Not because Romney lost, but because I think the decision to go with the kind of policies Obama espoused represents a really worrying trend in the US.

We're not worried about fiscal responsibility, economic growth, the fundamentals of what makes a health country and a healthy economy- you know, the larger ecosystem.

Rather what's taking center stage is issues like gay marriage, marijuana, the going green fad, and all this trivial shit.

People have become dumbed-down consumers. The perfect customer, the ideal audience.

But this audience of morons now run your government. They used to be people who kept you rich as consumers, but now they'll run you into the ground as the largest, most powerful voting bloc this country has ever seen.

PS- I know this sounds like Hellblazer, and I know this might sounds like insinuations about race, but it's not.

It's about a culture, a set of values that at their core are not conducive to functional societies. Conditions that foster consumers but stifle producers.

So many of you see this. So many of you understand this. But have you figured out how the hell one half of the country has failed to communicate the truth of this message to the rest of the country?

I'm scared of turning into Canada or Europe. Not because of their culture or history. But because fundamentally, when more than 50% of your income, your property goes to the government, you are not the active agent in control of your own destiny, making your own choices, committing your own actions, determining your decisions.

You're a minority shareholder in the organization that is your life.
 


I'm scared of turning into Canada or Europe. Not because of their culture or history. But because fundamentally, when more than 50% of your income, your property goes to the government, you are not the active agent in control of your own destiny, making your own choices, committing your own actions, determining your decisions.

You're a minority shareholder in the organization that is your life.

LOL can't believe the stupidity in your post. Do some more research before you go spoutin' off ignorant bullshit.

You guys would be lucky to to adopt some Canadian and European principles.

Looks like the Republicans successfully brainwashed another American though...
 
LOL can't believe the stupidity in your post. Do some more research before you go spoutin' off ignorant bullshit.

You guys would be lucky to to adopt some Canadian and European principles.

Looks like the Republicans successfully brainwashed another American though...

Seconded. Honestly OP, you're a fuckin retard.
 
I will always vote for the person least likely to wake up one day and decide lol time for another buttfuck war.

Obama is sexually aroused by his Hellfire missiles, but he seems less inclined to initiate buttfuck war. And his base generally offers more resistance.


Show me a republican who's willing to reduce the defense budget and maybe I'll care about his supposed fiscal responsibility . . .
 
I will always vote for the person least likely to wake up one day and decide lol time for another buttfuck war.

Obama is sexually aroused by his Hellfire missiles, but he seems less inclined to initiate buttfuck war. And his base generally offers more resistance.


Show me a republican who's willing to reduce the defense budget and maybe I'll care about his supposed fiscal responsibility . . .

Fiscally responsible Republicans are like fucking unicorns. I never get how people who are smart enough to wipe their own asses and work a TV remote still spout that shit. The massive resources we put into gee whiz penis extenders to bomb brown children is the giant elephant in the room, aside from being a fucking moral abomination. And yet, we still just breeze right by that shit.
 
The US would be lucky to turn into Canada. The people here are relatively educated, very polite, the country is clean, Canadians are loved around the world, and if you're into that sort of thing, Canada beats the US on several indexes for freedom and capitalism.

Canada != Europe.

That said, the marginal tax rate is sad. But don't worry, you'll have taxes like Canadians soon. Without the benefits, lol.

If you're really intelligent and American, you should be looking into emigrating. While it is still possible. Already the IRS has made it almost impossible for Americans to open foreign bank accounts. Capital controls are going to come at some point. Then immigration (and emigration) controls.

I have never understood many Americans resistance to moving on. America is a country of immigrants who fled Europe. Leaving bad situations behind should be in the American DNA.
 
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I have never understood many Americans resistance to moving on. America is a country of immigrants who fled Europe. Leaving bad situations behind should be in the American DNA.

Yeah, you make a good point. Most people are too clueless to realize what's coming. For those of us who do, well, it's home, it's where friends and family are, it's beautiful, a lot of it. My folks are in their early seventies, and they're not leaving. So, I can bid them adieu to deal with possible mutant hordes, or I can stay close and try to watch out for them.

And also, it's the feeling of fuck those fucking fucks who want to rape and pillage and degrade everything in sight. Despite how retarded we might seem, like most people, we are more alike than we are different, and I have a modicum of faith that we might transcend all this partisan horse shit we've been force fed for years and make something happen. I actually think the transcendence is going to be a prerequisite for moving on as a species, so I don't know if we can even hide from that shit no matter where we go.

Or, dying in a hail of bullets trying to protect something worthy...there are worse ways to go.
 
the kind of policies Obama espoused represents a really worrying trend in the US.

It's not really a trend, he's just steering the ship in the same general direction it has been going for the past 50+ years.

Republicans are going to again control the House. That will give us 4 straight years of where they essentially hold the power of deciding which bills get sent to Obama for his signature.

We're not worried about fiscal responsibility,

When were we? Was Romney as Governor of Massachusetts?

Rather what's taking center stage is issues like gay marriage, marijuana, the going green fad, and all this trivial shit.

The use of wedge issues by politicians is nothing new. During the 70s and 80s at least a few of them spent more time talking about "the dangers of heavy metal music" than they did about economics.

As for marijuana - the war on drugs and all it entails is a huge burden to taxpayers, so from a fiscal standpoint it is not trivial at all.
 
The US would be lucky to turn into Canada. The people here are relatively educated, very polite, the country is clean, Canadians are loved around the world, and if you're into that sort of thing, Canada beats the US on several indexes for freedom and capitalism.

Canada != Europe.

That said, the marginal tax rate is sad. But don't worry, you'll have taxes like Canadians soon. Without the benefits, lol.

If you're really intelligent and American, you should be looking into emigrating. While it is still possible. Already the IRS has made it almost impossible for Americans to open foreign bank accounts. Capital controls are going to come at some point. Then immigration (and emigration) controls.

I have never understood many Americans resistance to moving on. America is a country of immigrants who fled Europe. Leaving bad situations behind should be in the American DNA.

Is that the point though?

I see some Canadians have taken my comments personally. And ironically, chosen to respond like Americans. I have nothing against Canadians.

But is the point of a nation merely to cultivate people who are educated, polite and popular?

Those are certainly nice to have, and I admire the Canadians for their positive reputation, but I'm looking at the big picture here.

And I just don't see Europe and Canada as sustainable independent models. I see them as heavily dependent on a country like the US to do the dirty work of maintaining the hegemony of western values and cultures.

But to be clear, we're not talking about just economics here. I'm speaking more broadly.

I'm talking about what it means to be a successful nation.
 
So, I can bid them adieu to deal with possible mutant hordes, or I can stay close and try to watch out for them.
I can dig it. Similar circumstance here.

It's not really a trend, he's just steering the ship in the same general direction it has been going for the past 50+ years.
Yup. You'd think some people only discovered politics in 2008.

Republicans are going to again control the House. That will give us 4 straight years of where they essentially hold the power of deciding which bills get sent to Obama for his signature.
Watch the Republicans blow the budget up, higher and higher...

The use of wedge issues by politicians is nothing new. During the 70s and 80s at least a few of them spent more time talking about "the dangers of heavy metal music" than they did about economics.
Al Gore's wife Tipper was against W.A.S.P. one of my favorite hair bands. Classic.

Is that the point though?
Well, I am trying to understand what your point is. Your "country" is going to shit, and yet you're still looking down your nose at everyone else. You tell me.

I see some Canadians have taken my comments personally. And ironically, chosen to respond like Americans. I have nothing against Canadians.
Who cares?

As tribal and crazy as you sound about America, people are going to be the same way about Canada.

But is the point of a nation merely to cultivate people who are educated, polite and popular?
A nation is a delusion. There is no point to it except that it exists as a collective psychological aberration.

Stop trying to project values and ambitions onto abstractions. It makes you sound ridiculous.

And I just don't see Europe and Canada as sustainable independent models. I see them as heavily dependent on a country like the US to do the dirty work of maintaining the hegemony of western values and cultures.
LOL, yeah, the US is doing a great job at that.

I'm talking about what it means to be a successful nation.
derp...

I have been saying for nearly a year now, Obama would win for one reason. Angry right wing, moral relativist, bullshit artist, religious nutjobs are a minority in America. They can't even pick a nominee that reflects their values. You live in an Obamanation, like it or not. The people love welfare, they love warfare, they love race issues and they love the way a black President makes them feel about themselves (mostly white people).

This was it. Right wing nutjob moral outrage and resources were running at a fever pitch for the last 3 years. If the right couldn't win this Presidential election, what makes you think they can win any other one?

I'm an anarchist. I think the entire thing is a farce, and I think people are delusional for participating in it.

Good luck bro.

One more thing. If you believe in democracy, stop being such a sore loser. This is how democracy works. This is how libertarian anarchists expect democracy to play out.

If you voted, if you believe in democratic process, accept the Obamanation. It's your nation now courtesy of a fair and square election...
 
The US would be lucky to turn into Canada. The people here are relatively educated, very polite, the country is clean, Canadians are loved around the world, and if you're into that sort of thing, Canada beats the US on several indexes for freedom and capitalism.

Canada != Europe.

That said, the marginal tax rate is sad. But don't worry, you'll have taxes like Canadians soon. Without the benefits, lol.

If you're really intelligent and American, you should be looking into emigrating. While it is still possible. Already the IRS has made it almost impossible for Americans to open foreign bank accounts. Capital controls are going to come at some point. Then immigration (and emigration) controls.

I have never understood many Americans resistance to moving on. America is a country of immigrants who fled Europe. Leaving bad situations behind should be in the American DNA.

The same can be said for parts of America. The population of Canada is roughly 34 million. We have about half your population in just 3 cities. There are many parts of America that have respectful and educated people. There are also parts that are clean. Most of the world doesn't understand America isn't just one culture, but many cultures spread over a vast area.
 
Because it's clear that social and cultural capital wins elections.

Social and cultural capital wins everything, not just elections. Look at any marketing campaign and see the social and cultural buttons they push.

Romney was touted as being experienced in business - but his particular business skills are narrow - asset-stripping. He was useless at marketing, organisation, managing cashflow (the Obama people managed to match him ad for ad despite lower funds because they planned and booked ahead and got discounts and made their money stretch).

Instead of falling for the Romneys (asset stripper) and Trumps (serial bankrupt) of the world, why not choose the head of Coca-Cola or Proctor & Gamble as your candidate? Someone who truly understands mass-marketing and logistics inside out because those are the skills you need in elections.

Winning elections is not that different to selling washing powder to millions and millions. Notice how the people selling Ariel never berate their customers, they study them, and then produce products and marketing that pushes their buttons. Who was the last Republican to do that? Reagan?
 
Instead of falling for the Romneys (asset stripper) and Trumps (serial bankrupt) of the world, why not choose the head of Coca-Cola or Proctor & Gamble as your candidate? Someone who truly understands mass-marketing and logistics inside out because those are the skills you need in elections.

Saying that Bain Capital is only an "asset stripper" is almost as ridiculous as comparing somebody who has never had any business experience to the CEOs of Fortune 100 companies.
 
Saying that Bain Capital is only an "asset stripper" is almost as ridiculous as comparing somebody who has never had any business experience to the CEOs of Fortune 100 companies.

Obama understands mass-marketing and logistics, that's why he won - and he has that in common with the people who sell washing-powder and coca-cola. Could he run Proctor & Gamble or Coca-Cola given his proven skills in those areas? Probably if he decided to go down that route. The fact that he's decided to apply those skills to politics instead is neither here nor there. And yes, winning the presidency twice means he has proven skills in mass-marketing and logistics.

Don't dismiss his skills - if it was that "easy" to win the Presidency then surely Romney would have won, right?

Don't blame the voters/customers because you have failed to sell them something. It's your fault.
 
This country is fucked regardless of who is president. When the system is corrupt, it matters not who the lead puppet is.

Just an FYI!
 
Obama understands mass-marketing and logistics, that's why he won - and he has that in common with the people who sell washing-powder and coca-cola. Could he run Proctor & Gamble or Coca-Cola given his proven skills in those areas? Probably if he decided to go down that route. The fact that he's decided to apply those skills to politics instead is neither here nor there. And yes, winning the presidency twice means he has proven skills in mass-marketing and logistics.

Don't dismiss his skills - if it was that "easy" to win the Presidency then surely Romney would have won, right?

Don't blame the voters/customers because you have failed to sell them something. It's your fault.

You are wrong. He won becoz he was the current president (advantage of a known face) + african american voters+ hispanic voters advantage + half ass retarded electoral college voting system

Rest is all BS. Don't read too much of CNN and other faggotry out there.

If obama ran coca cola, then coke could have been used to clean ur ass in afghanistan