They've killed the entrepreneurial spirit...

what about the facebook movie? dude if you are reminiscing about movies from the 50's then your old as fuck
 


Yellow Squash said:
I remember seeing American Beauty in the theaters. In fact, there was an article about the gothic chick on Yahoo news last week in regards to how she stays under the radar.
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Wait....hang on....what in THEE hell are you babbling about? American Dream, American Beauty huh? Why am I the first one noticing this completely off base attempt at contributing to the thread. Is this real life?
 
HEY BRO THE SOCIAL NETWORK CAME OUT AND THAT NIGGA did not go to prison.

Just saying.
 
Actually, I get Op's point. From the time kids are little they are taught about getting good grades to get a college degree in order to get a good job. Hardly anywhere are kids encouraged to succeed in business and more importantly fail.

While I do agree that movies have a cultural influence in this I think you might given them to much credit. For every movie like 'Pursuit of Happiness'/'Social Network' there are 100 movies were business people are the bad guys like in Wolf - I'm with you on that and it 'might have 'something' to do with it. On the other hand shows like 'Shark Tank' are inspiring millions.

To me its more of a unintentional thing. Every good movie needs a 'bad guy'. Much easier to let it be an evil rich guy like Dr. Evil then the poor schizophrenic homeless guy.

Rather, I think kids get programmed in school to not become entrepeneurs. Everyone gets a medal. Failure and disagreement with teacher or lectures are bad. Thinking outside of the box is discouraged while in school. Coming up with a wrong answer is 'okay' as long as your self esteem is not hurt. Only if you get 100% good grades and play the 'game' correctly can you get into a 'good' college to get a 'job'.

The question to me then becomes - how do you change it? How do you encourage self employment and independence? How do you become part of the solution? Are there young entrepeneurs you can encourage? Are there people you can team up with? Can you produce a independent TV Show that gets mass market distribution?

Start with the end in mind.... what's your goal? Or is it just the alcohol talking? Wait... reading the above... it IS the alcohol talking! Tasting some good Herman Marshall - Texas Bourbon Whiskey actually distilled here in Dallas, Texas!
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
Seriously though, what I'm saying is true. Back in say the 50s, people went to the theaters, and watched movies about the "American dream" coming true for some poor schmuck who worked hard.

Nowadays, people watch movies about someone who cheated the system, became rich for a while, and ended up in a cell at the end of it. The only "heros" you see in movies now are US soldiers who sacrifice their lives during war for this or that reason.

Prove me wrong.

Systematic brainwashing at its best.
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But, but, but the "American Dream" was "systematic" as you put it too. The crazy part is that today people now speak about the "Dream" as a real thing.

Which ironically now it is, as an aspiration.

People today speak about and aspire to something that was never actually real, yet now since the Inception, it is. At least in their minds, as the crafted imagery drifted from the obvious fantasy in the movie theater, to the not so obvious through other media. Which is EXACTLY what is intended.

However, no one can kill the entrepreneurial spirit of a true entrepreneur. Sure, someone without direction can be dissuaded. A true rebel though? Seriously doubtful. Most entrepreneurs really don't have time to go to the movies anyway, they're too busy changing the world according to their own thinking.
 
WildGunner said:
However, no one can kill the entrepreneurial spirit of a true entrepreneur. Sure, someone without direction can be dissuaded. A true rebel though? Seriously doubtful.
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I just cackled pretty hard.

When I used to go for job interviews, they'd always ask me "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?" My normal and honest answer was always "Self employed."

Man, I was dumb. I wanted those jobs at the time, or I wouldn't have shown up for the interview.

For the most part, employers don't want innovators. They want lapdogs. The school system and culture is built to provide workers. Innovators are on their own.
 
User9364 said:
I just cackled pretty hard.

When I used to go for job interviews, they'd always ask me "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?" My normal and honest answer was always "Self employed."

Man, I was dumb. I wanted those jobs at the time, or I wouldn't have shown up for the interview.

For the most part, employers don't want innovators. They want lapdogs. The school system and culture is built to provide workers. Innovators are on their own.
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From my perspective and without knowing your story, you weren't dumb. You just didn't know how to be self-employed so you applied the socially acceptable method of survival, which for most people in "Westernized" society means, getting a job.

Your spirit however, knew the truth. What you did wasn't dumb, it was integrity. Something money could not buy away from you, even when you needed it.
 
The Social Network is a movie about one of their own. That doesn't count.
 
Kiopa Matt, you are really saying some retarded shit on this thread. I guess it's the alcohol talking. The entrepreneurial spirit doesn't appeal to the common man. Also you don't want everyone being an entrepreneur either since then you'd have a lot more competition and less "squares" to sell your products and services to.

Personally I don't care what a bunch of jealous sacks of shit who are mad because they hate their 9 to 5 job think. I don't care what kind of movies hollywood makes either. Of course they have to appeal to Joe Dumbass, unless it's a niche movie.

Just be happy that there's people out there who are impulsive and can be swayed with a little marketing magic. I am.
 
If anything entrepreneurship has gone the other way in recent years. It's becoming a lot more glamourised (at least here in the UK). TV shows like Dragon's Den and The Apprentice. Films like The Social Network. My issue with them is they put a focus on events rather than process (the big investment, the big sale, etc).

It's become "cool" to be an entrepreneur. Entrepreneurial societies at universities are bigger than they've ever been and the internet has taken down most of the traditional barriers to entry that used to exist.

Everyone and their dog is an "entrepreneur" now. Although very few can actually execute. "Entrepreneur" in many cases means "unemployed guy that does some bits and pieces here and there".
 
mituozo said:
If anything entrepreneurship has gone the other way in recent years. It's becoming a lot more glamourised (at least here in the UK). TV shows like Dragon's Den and The Apprentice. Films like The Social Network. My issue with them is they put a focus on events rather than process (the big investment, the big sale, etc).

It's become "cool" to be an entrepreneur. Entrepreneurial societies at universities are bigger than they've ever been and the internet has taken down most of the traditional barriers to entry that used to exist.

Everyone and their dog is an "entrepreneur" now. Although very few can actually execute. "Entrepreneur" in many cases means "unemployed guy that does some bits and pieces here and there".
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I agree, being an entrepreneur or online marketer is new thing. I don't call myself an entrepreneur either for that reason. The old labels are fading, my personal belief is that we're seeing the rise of the digial sovereign class. Individuals without connection to traditional power structure such as nationality, politics and physical means of production. If anything, I would be very interested in art exploring this new class of people.
 
efeezy said:
Wait....hang on....what in THEE hell are you babbling about? American Dream, American Beauty huh? Why am I the first one noticing this completely off base attempt at contributing to the thread. Is this real life?
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I'm hungover and literally went full lulz when I read this so thank you efeezy.

PS. Had no idea so many WF members like to drink on Monday nights.
 
mpbiz said:
I'm hungover and literally went full lulz when I read this so thank you efeezy.

PS. Had no idea so many WF members like to drink on Monday nights.
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Everyone on WF is a retired millionaire that sits in their tropical paradise overlooking the sea each and every Monday evening. They feel the tropical sea breeze float through their hair and sip their 27 year old single malt whilst simultaneously admiring gay pornography on their laptop and making sure that their tin hat stops the government's radio waves from frying their brain.
 
WildGunner said:
From my perspective and without knowing your story, you weren't dumb. You just didn't know how to be self-employed so you applied the socially acceptable method of survival, which for most people in "Westernized" society means, getting a job.
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The dumbest part was that I had no problem tailoring other answers to whatever they wanted. I perceived ambition like that to be attractive, while HR people saw me as a flight risk.
 
User9364 said:
I just cackled pretty hard.

When I used to go for job interviews, they'd always ask me "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?" My normal and honest answer was always "Self employed."

Man, I was dumb. I wanted those jobs at the time, or I wouldn't have shown up for the interview.

For the most part, employers don't want innovators. They want lapdogs. The school system and culture is built to provide workers. Innovators are on their own.
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That's not always the case, especially if you are working for a small company, or at the upper levels of a big company. Innovation is something that needs to be scaled just like everything else.
 
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