To Those that Lift Weights - Supplements?

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Kyle and Uber nailed it. The only thing I would add is a good recovery drink like SURGE. After I started taking three recovery drinks one before, one during, and one shortly after my workouts I noticed a big jump in gains. Plus it's hard for me to pack on weight so recovery drinks are an easy thousand calories.

BTW if you are a skinny dude trying to gain weight, you're probably not eating enough. Start at 4000 calories or so a day of CLEAN food like spinach, chicken breasts, and lean beef. If you start gaining too much fat decrease your intake by a few hundred calories at a time til you get to the optimum. Do the opposite if you aren't gaining fast enough.
 


I personally only take whey protein from ON. I have mixed feelings on multivitamins... personally I would rather get all my vits from actual food. as for creatine, you're gonna start gaining mass, but most of it is water. water in the muscles does help you recover and stuff, but it's not worth it imo. Who really knows the long term affects of all this crap?
 
ChrisS said:
The only thing I would add is a good recovery drink like SURGE.
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do you know you could buy all the SURGE ingredients yourself (BCAAs, Whey Protein, and Simple Carbs) to make your own recovery drink and save yourself a lot of money in the long run?

4g of L-Leucine, 25g of Whey protein, 50g of simple carbs (like dextrose) and you have basically made your own SURGE.

Just a thought.
 
RockDiesel said:
do you know you could buy all the SURGE ingredients yourself (BCAAs, Whey Protein, and Simple Carbs) to make your own recovery drink and save yourself a lot of money in the long run?

4g of L-Leucine, 25g of Whey protein, 50g of simple carbs (like dextrose) and you have basically made your own SURGE.

Just a thought.
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You're absolutely right. Even the place I buy it from told me how to make it.

But I like the convenience and delicious rootbeer taste :D
 
mason said:
I personally only take whey protein from ON. I have mixed feelings on multivitamins... personally I would rather get all my vits from actual food. as for creatine, you're gonna start gaining mass, but most of it is water. water in the muscles does help you recover and stuff, but it's not worth it imo. Who really knows the long term affects of all this crap?
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Optimum Nutrition is one of the few great companies in the supplement industry, I'll agree with you there. They put out good quality stuff.

As far as creatine supplementation goes, it has been studied for like 30+ years. Is that not long-term enough for you?

and your statements on creatine being mostly water weight is old and outdated information.
Water retention usually comes from shitty creatine. With technology today, creatine quality has increased dramatically, and water retention usually doesn't occur.

The whole point of creatine is to allow you to work harder for longer periods of time. The increased work capacity is what leads to increase in strength and muscle gains, not water.
 
@RockDiesel I have tried many different brands of creatine monohydrate over the years and they all killed my stomach. I will give Creatine Ethyl Ester a try, thanks for the info.
 
WayneDog said:
@RockDiesel I have tried many different brands of creatine monohydrate over the years and they all killed my stomach. I will give Creatine Ethyl Ester a try, thanks for the info.
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Also, try Micronized Creatine.

A lot of people who had stomach issues was due to the purity and particle size of the creatine. In other words, creatine has been refined a lot in the past few years, so a lot of people who took it years ago and had problems can now take it with no problems.

However, if you still experience problems then I would just forget about it. It definitely isn't a necessity.
 
Bannerosity said:
do any of you use supplements for your workouts? right now i just take a multivitamin, ZMA and glutamine, but i've been reading about other stuff like 6-OXO and 11-OXO and some other stuff. just curious to know if you guys have any recommendations (that are legal and readily available)
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I personally take MuscleTech stack. NitroTech, Creakic, Gakic, and Leucik

For the uninitiated, that equates to
Protein powder, creatine, the Gakic has nothing similar to it, and a testosterone booster.

Banerosity, HANDS DOWN the single most important supplement once you get passed a good vitamin is a good protein powder.

Your muscles are built from protein. If you aren't getting just about a gram of protein per pound of lean body mass then your muscle gains will be hampered.

If I were you I'd stop worrying about glutamine and ZMA and focus first on that, then begin stacking with creatine and glutamine as your budget allows.
 
I stopped taking vitamins a while ago and have experienced no detriment to training. Those of you that take vitamins should read this:
Can vitamin supplements do more harm than good? - health - 28 February 2007 - New Scientist
You're far better of just having a rounded diet. I've also tried creatine a couple of times, to no effect. Whey protein is the only thing I supliment with at the moment, and it's pretty much all you need in my opinion. If you're trying to put on size, you should be closer to 2 grams of protein a day for each pound of body weight rather than 1 gram.
 
Really all you need is

Protein powder for after workouts and in case you cannot consume enough daily
Multivitamin
Creatine, if you want

The rest is just marketing propaganda
 
Protein shake:
I currently use ultimate nutrition's whey protein, however, ON is supposed to be the best

Creatine --> ON

And I'd taken decadura 25mg too..
it's an anabolical steroid...injection form
 
You really don't need any supplements. And this is coming from a guy who used to spend more on Gold Card Day every month than I did on my rent and other expenses.

I tried a lot of different things and I was finally my best when I took nothing except a well balanced diet.

I wont say I didn't see any results from a lot of the stuff I took. Most of it did SOMETHING, some good some bad and some other stuff not related to BB. Probably 90% of it is banned now, I don't know. Back then taking allergy medicine wasn't enough to be labelled a steroid user/"performance enhancer."
 
Haha, on an aff forum like this where guys are rich people whore muscle tech. On bodybuilding.com where it's just average joes, people flame mtech to bits.

@SUPERNOVA the pre work out stim does nothing buddy. Some contain goodies like aminos, BA, creatine etc but the NO it's self does jack all. Just improves blood flow etc. Look it up. The AAKG also lowers your HGH production in the body.

I would personally recommend you start off natural for a year or two, and by then you would have enough knowledge which you gathered yourself to conclude on the route you take next. Personally I have not found one document that says steroids can be life threatening dangerous. Therefore, I see it as acceptable. I have more respect for a man who juices, than one who doesn't (in most cases). Just keep in mind that if you abuse it, there will be sides. Just if you over does painkillers.

Don't believe the hype. But remember research into everything.

Animal Pak
Animal M-stak (not a roid)
Anabolic Halo (not a roid)
Plasma Jet (it's pre but with a twist)
Purple Wrath / Xtend
Universal Storm (creatine [not a roid])

And you should be set.

6-OXO is an AI and 11-OXO is cortisol control, which will play with your hormones - but it's safe. It's a very weak PH. An alternative to it would be Lean Xtreme 2.0 as they are almost in the same group, but they aren't. Look into it.

RockDiesel said:
I don't know how I compeletely forgot about Fish Oil, I take it daily too.

Most people don't get enough Fish, so supplementing with fish oil is highly recommended.

I wouldn't recommend Glucosamine, it is too pricey and the results are too inconsistent to make it worth the money, in my opinion. If you want a Joint Supplement then check out Cissus Quadrangularis. A lot of people I know are switching and actually seeing results in their joints.

WayneDog, you could have just had some shitty creatine mono. I would try it again (because it isn't that expensive), but from a different company and if the problems still persist then trying switching to Creatine Ethyl Ester. People with stomach problems have said they can use CEE with no problems.
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For joints I'd take Animal Flex. The product has proven it's self. For creatine hit up Universal storm. It holds 4 different types of creatine in one. The product has been around for ages too.

johnmatrix said:
why do you wanna mess with hormone altering shit like that? Who knows what it does to you in the long run... Just stick with slow and steady progression and be happy with it.

Yeah it probably works but why risk it?

I wouldn't even bother with creatine personally..
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Why wouldn't you bother with creatine? Are you basing that on what some little punk ass PT has told you?! "Oh noes, creatine - isn't that a steroid?"

If your really looking to get started, start reading at Bodybuilding.com - The Future Of Bodybuilding! Huge Bodybuilding Site. and then after reading all that, start the forums. It is an absolute gold mine. Truly.
 
Confab said:
I personally take MuscleTech stack. NitroTech, Creakic, Gakic, and Leucik

For the uninitiated, that equates to
Protein powder, creatine, the Gakic has nothing similar to it, and a testosterone booster.

Banerosity, HANDS DOWN the single most important supplement once you get passed a good vitamin is a good protein powder.

Your muscles are built from protein. If you aren't getting just about a gram of protein per pound of lean body mass then your muscle gains will be hampered.

If I were you I'd stop worrying about glutamine and ZMA and focus first on that, then begin stacking with creatine and glutamine as your budget allows.
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By "good" protein powder, what do you mean? Aren't they all the same when it comes down to it? I have protein powder but I eat so much meat that I am skeptical about how much extra I should take. I also drink those little cans of nutritional drink, 9G's of protein for each one and I drink about 4-5 of them a day lately.

I haven't had problems putting on mass, but now I want to reduce my body fat ratio while still gaining/maintaining muscle. I mainly just have fat on my stomach and on my sides. I went from about 155-160lbs to 190lbs in about a year.


On a side note, I talked to a rep from ErgoPharm, and he said that a good stack is Activate-X with 6-OXO (one should note that Activate isn't an ergopharm product, it's made by Designer Supplements). He also said that the ergopharm product 1-AD has virtually the same effects as the now-banned PH. I'm curious to know everyones thoughts on this, the guy said that 1-AD is pretty much a steroid.
 
Too much shit in the body ... just eat chicken and work out.

The guy who worked at the fitness supplement store had big biceps, but it didn't looked defined -- more like watery mass. I think he took too much Creatine.

To be rip like those black guys, it's all about hitting it hard at the gym and cardio.

Supplements are already but meh ...
 
amanda11 said:
Too much shit in the body ... just eat chicken and work out.

The guy who worked at the fitness supplement store had big biceps, but it didn't looked defined -- more like watery mass. I think he took too much Creatine.

To be rip like those black guys, it's all about hitting it hard at the gym and cardio.

Supplements are already but meh ...
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You know how much shit you've just come out with? Verbal diarrhea any one?

Bannerosity said:
I'd like to thank amanda for a solid streak of pointless posts. Congrats!
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I agree.
 
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