Top 400 Taxpayers Paid Almost As Much in 2009 as the Entire Bottom 50%



OK....time to solve this for everyone.

LULZ


Enact a FLAT 10% tax rate across the board. PERIOD!!


No tax shelters or breaks or other Houdini Shit.


Then do a Reverse 10 to 1 split on the Dollar as soon as it is enabled. Then a FREEZE on the printing of NEW money other than to replace worn out bills.


Get back on a COMMODITY Standard of some sort to back the dollar.



DONE!!


Oh yes......also GET RID of the Federal Reserve!!! Put the Treasury Department back in charge of the money.
 
Taxes are theft.


Ok, I've never said it publicly, but I do agree with you.





Unfortunately, there is TRUTH to the old addage of "The two things for certain in one's life are Death and Taxes." Especially since the USA is a direct descendant of Old Rome.



Until we can get our hover cars, we WILL need roads and such.



Guerilla, from what I've read of your posts we could sit and talk for YEARS on subjects like this and be striking the same note on like 95% of all topics discussed.



I shall now take my toe out of the "World of Wishes" discussions.


Lulz


P.S. When I was in my Mid 20's and a licensed Life and Health insurance agent I created a rough draft for a plan to make the Medicare Health Service in the USA an actual benefit to the Citizenry instead of the BURDEN and substandard care that it is even with the bullshit private sector Medicare Suppliments.



It would have taken me about 3 years to flesh it all out into a functional plan. It would have KILLED the private Medicare suppliment insdustry. Our senior citizens would have never had to spend a penny for medicine or services after they qualified for Medicare.



It even took care of Medical School Government loans as well as decreasing malpractice incidents from graduating Medical Students.



But I had a family to take care of and no one was going to pay my bills and feed my kids for 3 years while I fixed it so that the American Citizens would have the care they should have once they hit retirement age.



So much for my 1st chance at Hoarace Mann's admonition of, "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."
 
That is not correct.

If you have willingly consented to taxation, then it does not meet the legal definition of theft. I challenge anyone on this website to prove they have not consented to taxation.

I never consented. If you argue that paying them is consenting, think about the alternative. It's like paying the mafia if you live in Southern Italy, you better do it... Just because you are under threat of force does not mean you are consenting.

"if consent is given under duress (physical or emotional threats), then it is not given"

Maybe this definition is better?
rob·ber·y/ˈräb(ə)rē/

Noun:
  • The action of robbing a person or place.
  • The felonious taking of personal property from someone using force or the threat of force.
Of course it's "legalized" robbery and thus accepted by the majority. But that does not mean it is not theft/robbery.
 
That is not correct.

If you have willingly consented to taxation, then it does not meet the legal definition of theft. I challenge anyone on this website to prove they have not consented to taxation.
People who are raped must have consented to rape, amirite?

For crissakes, you're not even a good troll. Go back to RevLeft.
 
To address your mafia example, if a shopkeeper pays tribute to the local mafia leader under duress, then avails himself of the protections or other services offered by the mafia, then the shopkeeper can no longer claim duress.

You all have availed yourself of countless services provided by your government, therefore you can make no legitimate claims of theft.
 
To address your mafia example, if a shopkeeper pays tribute to the local mafia leader under duress, then avails himself of the protections or other services offered by the mafia, then the shopkeeper can no longer claim duress.

You all have availed yourself of countless services provided by your government, therefore you can make no legitimate claims of theft.

Can you give an example? Please name something where there is not a state monopoly on that service.
 
Before delving into that much deeper debate, might I point out that you choose to trade in your government issued fiat currency. If you want to avoid taxation you are free to barter. Your government holds a taxable claim on the currency that it issues, but it does not hold a taxable claim on your work. You subject yourself to taxation when you choose to trade in their currency.

The only immediate exception that comes to mind is property tax, which your government justifies based on retention of allodial title, but when you take ownership of a property you have signed away your rights to allodial title. If you go back far enough I would imagine this is based on the theory of a common defense of territorial lands, since land is the only exception I can think of at the moment.
 
Before delving into that much deeper debate, might I point out that you choose to trade in your government issued fiat currency. If you want to avoid taxation you are free to barter. Your government holds a taxable claim on the currency that it issues, but it does not hold a taxable claim on your work. You subject yourself to taxation when you choose to trade in their currency.
Barter is not excluded from taxation. Try again.

You're really bad at this.
 
Barter is not excluded from taxation.

I suppose that depends on where you live doesn't it? I don't pretend to know the revenue collection rules for all nations. If bartering is taxable in your area then I would guess your government collection agency claims a distinction where there is a provable commercial intent in a barter, but that is subjective and essentially unenforceable.

It's easy to monitor financial transactions in a government issued currency, how would they monitor transactions in a barter? Do some research on the appropriate agency in your area and see if they have ever actually brought a case against individuals for bartering. I would imagine not, so anything you report to them would be essentially voluntary.